Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Jan 14, 2017 at 9:07 AM Post #16,306 of 151,218
It looks to me that the PCB is the load bearing structure here? About a half-dozen scews connect the heatsink to the PCB on each side and this is also done to allow heat to dissipate. The top of the chassis then sort of keeps everything stable.

I wonder if anchoring the heatsinks to the PCB like that is wise for long term reliability? Much less ease of construction.

I wonder if it would be possible to connect a smaller/lighter (copper) heat pipe to the areas that need heat dissipation on the PCB. The side heatsinks would screw into separate binding posts in the chasis, separate from the PCB, but thr heat pipe and rear side the heatsinks would also be designed to interlock to permit heat transfer.

Stop wondering - It's all good
 
Also, a copper heat pipe would make the assembly more difficult than it already is.
 
Occam's razor applies here...
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 9:22 AM Post #16,307 of 151,218
 
People,
We need a dedicated Freya thread we are meeing up this one. 
 
Also would be helpful to have a detailed list of tubes/adapters that fit the Freya...


Dedicated Freya thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/832177/schiit-freya-impressions-and-tube-rolling-thread
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 11:44 AM Post #16,310 of 151,218
It looks to me that the PCB is the load bearing structure here? About a half-dozen scews connect the heatsink to the PCB on each side and this is also done to allow heat to dissipate. The top of the chassis then sort of keeps everything stable.

I wonder if anchoring the heatsinks to the PCB like that is wise for long term reliability? Much less ease of construction.

I wonder if it would be possible to connect a smaller/lighter (copper) heat pipe to the areas that need heat dissipation on the PCB. The side heatsinks would screw into separate binding posts in the chasis, separate from the PCB, but thr heat pipe and rear side the heatsinks would also be designed to interlock to permit heat transfer.

I was thinking the same thing a couple pages back
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up/16275#post_13171723
 
And I seriously doubt the board is load-bearing. You can already see the top and bottom chassis mounting screws for the heatsinks in the pics.
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 1:40 PM Post #16,312 of 151,218
Jan 14, 2017 at 1:57 PM Post #16,313 of 151,218
Maybe Manhattan is MQA without the need to pay MQAMegaCorp in either cash or intellectual property?
 
MQA done properly so your perfect music forever lasts a bit more forever-y.
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 2:03 PM Post #16,314 of 151,218
Would there by any downside to using Vidar in a multi-channel setup?  3 stereo Vidars for the Lb/Rb, Ls/Rs, L/R, mono Vidar for Center?  (reminds me of the guy with 6 gumby's for his bi-amping)
 
They are half-width?  Do they come with enough blinken lights?
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 2:28 PM Post #16,315 of 151,218
  Maybe Manhattan is MQA without the need to pay MQAMegaCorp in either cash or intellectual property?
 
MQA done properly so your perfect music forever lasts a bit more forever-y.


The Manhattan Project: Better than MQA. For the music you own now, and the music you stream now.
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 2:41 PM Post #16,316 of 151,218
Some more thoughts on a new morning: I appreciate all the suggestions on assembly tools, but believe me, I have them all. And the idea was to use powered, torque-settable tools for production. Those kind of tools are 100% no-go. Some areas don't even have enough depth for a manual ratcheting tool.
 
So, I went ahead and did a pros/cons breakdown of all of our options, and it came out something like this:
 
 
Option 1: Leave it as is and use manual tools when needed.
 
Pros:
  1. It's what we have
Cons:
  1. 15-20 minutes for assembly of one product would be typical 
  2. Some products would not be assemblable due to soldering variation (canted parts, etc)
  3. Nightmare to disassemble and reassemble for service.
 
Conclusion: Hell no.
 
 
Option 2: Move all the parts to line up with heatsink wells and drill through, use screws and Nylocks through the heatsink.
 
Pros:
  1. It's a known solution (I've done this before)
Cons:
  1. Tons of parts (22 screws and 22 Nylocks per amp)
  2. Pain in the rear end to dissassemble
  3. Still may have some non-assemblable boards due to soldering variations
 
Conclusion: on reflection, it's not giving me warm and fuzzy feelings
 
 
Option 3: Add a stamped, spring steel retainer to apply even pressure to all of the devices.
 
Pros: 
  1. Uses half the screws of Option 2, so it's faster to assemble
  2. We don't actually need to move anything on the board (!)
  3. Output device orientation is pretty much non-critical (everything can be assembled)
  4. Easy to disassemble
 
Cons:
  1. Unknown solution (I have not done this before)
 
Conclusion: this really seems like the way to go.
 
Why pick the more chancy option? Lots of reasons, but three primes:
 
  • Although I haven't used this solution before, it is commonly used, so we are breaking no new engineering ground. I'm confident we can make it work.
  • On a high-volume product, time for assembly and disassembly are critically important when you're paying first-world wages. This approach gives us that--and also reduces number of holes and simplifies the design of the thermal pad. It's a winner.
  • We have a local metal stamping firm that I can literally walk to from our office and get things started on Monday. Even better, my other firm, Centric, has done marketing for them in the past, so we know each other. 
 
Why a stamping? Because the heatsink has devices with three different heights: TO-247, TO-220, TO-126. This is necessary to use all the exotic 2SC/2SA parts that we've spec'd. But, because these devices have three different heights, we need more than a simple bar to tie them all down--the solution has to compensate for the different heights. 
 
So, the $128,000 question is: does this affect the anticipated delivery date of End Q1? I'm not sure yet. If tooling the stamping doesn't take too long, maybe not. I'll keep you apprised as things move forward.
 
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Jan 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM Post #16,317 of 151,218
 
​If you build it, they will (be) dumb.
 
ORT

Don't be so judgmental. Many years ago (1980s) I visited a rather well known (in hi end audio circles) woman who wrote for the of the major hi-end magazines. She was considered wacky and fringe by most readers, carrying on about power line conditions, RF, EMI and grounding issues long before the bulk of audiophiles picked up on it. Well anyway, she had all the drywall removed from her living room (a dedicated stereo room), and using a mix of chicken wire and other wire fencing material, had a full Faraday Cage built into her walls and ceiling. Of course the drywall was replaced, but also included sound damping material and other treatments. Most of what people thought she was crazy about then has been proven to both useful and correct.

She also had the only fully functioning Mapleknoll Air Bearing turntable I've ever seen fully operational!

Anyway, just because some people deal with their stereo systems differently from you doesn't mean they are dumb, irrational or otherwise anything other than enjoying themselves.
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 7:21 PM Post #16,318 of 151,218
  Most of what people thought she was crazy about then has been proven to both useful and correct.
 
 

 
Can you elaborate?  What of her theories have proven to be useful and correct and by whom?
 
Jan 14, 2017 at 8:41 PM Post #16,320 of 151,218
Me too!
 

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