Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Jun 23, 2016 at 6:28 PM Post #11,311 of 151,560
  At least Jason has mostly respectable pictures when you google him. Tyll on the other hand...
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Too right. Here's a few examples.
 
 
 
Jun 23, 2016 at 7:27 PM Post #11,312 of 151,560
  Monitoring for potential problems within the amp? Or just tracking power output and performance-related metrics?
 
Most stereo amps I've used in my life have been from the 80's and are still going strong. The one in my living room right now is from the late 80s or early 90s I believe, I can't imagine a high-end amplifier would have such inferior durability that it would need to be monitored. Even then, unless you're an extremely knowledgeable engineer, what is there to do about it if it does say something is wrong?
 
In the case of measuring other aspects of the amp, such as its current power output, what utility does that provide besides: "Oh look my amp is currently pumping out 720mW, neat." Maybe there are more useful applications but none that I'm aware of.


I dunno.  It's the Aragon 8008 if you're interested in looking at it: http://www.aragonav.com/8008
 
Jun 23, 2016 at 9:10 PM Post #11,313 of 151,560
Oh you found THOSE pics, eh?
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Jun 23, 2016 at 10:10 PM Post #11,315 of 151,560
 
  From Schiit Happened, Chapter 17:
 
“I already prototyped it. It works fine.” Which was true. Circlotrons are really dead-simple. They just scare people, because at first glance, they look like a very, very bad mistake that will catch on fire and burn your bench to the ground. In reality, a circlotron using enhancement-mode MOSFETs with no bias and no input will just sit there happily and do absolutely nothing. With a decent function generator, you can program in an offset voltage and two out-of-phase sine waves and run it easily. Really not a big deal. But Mike’s scared of weird analog things, and I’m scared of complicated digital stuff. So there you go.
 
 
I read the above portion of Jason's article for the first time about a month ago and it has bothered me ever since.
 
Jason, you must assign yourself the task of making your own DAC without Mike's help. (I would also assign Mike to make an amplifier without your help, but that would probably fly like a lead balloon.) The reason for this is not because we expect a product for production out of the exercise, but because you have no idea how much you will grow as an engineer and as a person from facing what you are not comfortable with.
 
Do not dismiss me out of hand. I look forward to your considered response.

 

 
P.S Welcome to Head-Fi


Amen!
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM Post #11,316 of 151,560
  From Schiit Happened, Chapter 17:
 
“I already prototyped it. It works fine.” Which was true. Circlotrons are really dead-simple. They just scare people, because at first glance, they look like a very, very bad mistake that will catch on fire and burn your bench to the ground. In reality, a circlotron using enhancement-mode MOSFETs with no bias and no input will just sit there happily and do absolutely nothing. With a decent function generator, you can program in an offset voltage and two out-of-phase sine waves and run it easily. Really not a big deal. But Mike’s scared of weird analog things, and I’m scared of complicated digital stuff. So there you go.
 
 
I read the above portion of Jason's article for the first time about a month ago and it has bothered me ever since.
 
Jason, you must assign yourself the task of making your own DAC without Mike's help. (I would also assign Mike to make an amplifier without your help, but that would probably fly like a lead balloon.) The reason for this is not because we expect a product for production out of the exercise, but because you have no idea how much you will grow as an engineer and as a person from facing what you are not comfortable with.
 
Do not dismiss me out of hand. I look forward to your considered response.

 
Before he started designing the first separate DACs with Theta decades ago, Mike designed a pre-amp I still remember to this day from having heard it at a friend's house in a system producing spookily real sound.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 1:20 PM Post #11,317 of 151,560
From Schiit Happened, Chapter 17:

“I already prototyped it. It works fine.” Which was true. Circlotrons are really dead-simple. They just scare people, because at first glance, they look like a very, very bad mistake that will catch on fire and burn your bench to the ground. In reality, a circlotron using enhancement-mode MOSFETs with no bias and no input will just sit there happily and do absolutely nothing. With a decent function generator, you can program in an offset voltage and two out-of-phase sine waves and run it easily. Really not a big deal. But Mike’s scared of weird analog things, and I’m scared of complicated digital stuff. So there you go.


I read the above portion of Jason's article for the first time about a month ago and it has bothered me ever since.

Jason, you must assign yourself the task of making your own DAC without Mike's help. (I would also assign Mike to make an amplifier without your help, but that would probably fly like a lead balloon.) The reason for this is not because we expect a product for production out of the exercise, but because you have no idea how much you will grow as an engineer and as a person from facing what you are not comfortable with.

Do not dismiss me out of hand. I look forward to your considered response.


This post is staggeringly presumptuous. Unbelievable.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 2:30 PM Post #11,318 of 151,560
Hey Jason. Rereading Schiit Happened and you've mentioned about some of the products that don't get produced for various reasons. But is there one failed product design that you or Mike just won't let go even when you know you should?


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Jun 24, 2016 at 2:37 PM Post #11,319 of 151,560
It's the Dingleberry, but they're been holding onto that for... different reasons.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 5:24 PM Post #11,322 of 151,560
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I found this Picture while hanging around the AVR forum.This person was at the show at The Show.
Here is the link to that guys imgur post
If you get a minute his comments are completely Entertaining and he has pictures of the other booths.
 
 
I have spent a few days Catching up on this thread after a sporadic Hiatus, Life gets in the way of well, everything.  I was Very close to pulling the trigger on Emotiva's Basx Line to go With the ELac Uni FI's UB6 on pre order. I have the Debuts Which are being gifted to my little sis possibly with the Emotiva Fusion Amp that currently Drives them, And Possibly a Modi 2 U which goes unused now thanks to Work restricting USB drivers, the Fulla is a Savior. Maybe she will See the Light And Smell the Schiit, I mean err  hmm.
 
I Follow Andrew Jones and the videos of his interviews and he seems to be talking about some of the same things as Jason and and the Schiit team does when it comes to a balance between quality and cost. Spend the Money on the R and D and the components instead of Billet Adamantium Face plates, and trying to bring people out of the dismal era of crappy jack in the box audio systems because thats all that made financial sense. A personal preference of mine would be they Manufacture in Germany or the US but you cant win them all. Salk is now on my radar when the wallet and the wife allow.
 
I am very happy a timeline and some details as well as a the fact that a pre amp and some sort of remote control is slated for release some time in the next few months along with the  2 Channel or cough cough "Stereo" (for our friends over the pond) Amplifier .  I will Lay off my trigger finger to see what comes out of the Schiit House.
 
A Suggestion to the No Display but I want to know my volume position when on my couch using this new fangled schiit remote problem. If there is to be a motorized knob (and that is an If as I don't know if that's even in the works or if it will make things sound less schitty.)  An led instead of the indentation on the Volume Knob that is usually there to give you a point of reference. There is also the 5 or 7 LEDs in a line that can give you a estimate of volume level but its only helpful the next morning if you forget to turn the volume down after 17 too many glasses of scotch and you glance over and Say Ohh Schiit that would be bad.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 5:25 PM Post #11,323 of 151,560
KoshNaranek, your post did come across badly. Re-reading the part of Jason's chapter you quoted, I think I see where the confusion arose.

You took a sentence out of context: "Mike's scared of weird analog things, and I'm scared of complicated digital stuff". From two 'old' :)p) masters like Mike and Jason this is one of these self-deprecating things people say sometimes when actually you might sense they are highly competent at both! Just not as competent as each other is the point Jason was making.

A bit like how Andre Agassi said he always hated tennis :wink:

I assume you don't yet know much of the history and backstory of the Schiit crew. I think the more you find out - it's not all in Jason's book but in other threads scattered about - the more you'll see where the creativity originates.
 

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