rob49 said:

  Thank you David & Vect for your help. ( Yes David, noticed it was out of stock again. To be honest my packaging looked a little suspect. A sticker had clearly been taken off the front, leaving some of the backing, and the box appears a little battered on top flap. )
Anyway, I came across the DLNA menu by chance. ( like everything I do ! ) and just clicked it. As I said transferred 3 files from media go. ( One file was / had been converted to dsf ? on jriver, and this is in my High Resolution Folder on Media Go. ( So I decided to transfer that, it took a long time to transfer, but as far as i'm aware those type of files will ?
Thanks for the swiping info Vect, the media go files are FLAC, so i'll just use this softwear. I'll type in the web address for the full instructions. ( not that it will probably help me anymore ! ? )
I came across audio options earlier ( can't seem to find it again now....MUST WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN !! ) and clicked ClearAudio+and DSEE ( briefly....and didn't like it....so as you say, disable seems the best option ? )
I have the volume turned full up, and I wish it was a little louder. ( but I recall yourself & Noble G posting about Android volume setting and player volume setting ( two settings ? )
Inbetween listening & battling fatigue, i'll continue to explore......I MIGHT EVEN GET ROUND TO SAYING, WHAT I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE !! LOL

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Glad you got it sorted.  Syncing over wifi will take longer than usb.

Well, I just discovered weird things with PowerAmp... one of them is quite a lot of more volume...

vect said:

  Well, I just discovered weird things with PowerAmp... one of them is quite a lot of more volume...

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Do you still get gapless though?

davidcotton said:

 
Glad you got it sorted.  Syncing over wifi will take longer than usb.

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Thanks David, I've just spent most of the afternoon transferring flac files from Media Go. I've filled the memory and I have 77 albums uploaded. Obviously i'd like bigger storage, but i'm sure it won't be too much of a pain, to delete & add. Now for a little listen....before tonights TV viewing.....will I be able to remove my headphones....that is the question !! lol

joining the bandwagon.
I mess around since yesterday so I'll at least answer my own questions (got a euro version if you wonder):
 
-first hissing:
there is a little hiss, not much, from memory I would say close to the noise on the dx50(playing not the turning on hiss that was much louder). now to be perfectly honest here, it's pretty low even with the 334 (with the default sony IEM it's not audible).  I' would say 99% of you guys will be happy with this level.
so it's lower than the hiss on the A865 that had a lot less hiss than the F806. it's a real major progress in my ears for sony.
 
but there is an audible "tac" every 2 seconds .... and there I died. I spent yesterday trying to disable everything with the hope that an app would be responsible for the "tac". I didn't download anything and went airplaine mod from start. I bought a player not a smartphone that can't call.  but no luck for me. if by any chance you guys found a way to remove it (another player maybe?), let me know and I will lick your shoes for the end of times.  because right now I can use an amp or get rid of it. I sold my dx50 the day I received it, that's how much of a zero tolerance I'm forcing on daps.
 
then again this "tac" is a problem only with sensitive IEMs and on tracks with silences(anti classical dap spotted!!). or if you miss vinyl cracklings, there you have 1 every 2secs...
 
 
 
-else well it's another android box, it's good and bad at the same time, good because it's easy to do anything on it if you ever had an android phone. bad because I prefer the A865 interface, there are much less directly accessible options, but it is oh so cleverly laid out. but then native flac is a nice addition, so I guess everybody will have to decide what's best.
 
 
 
-sound: it's complicated, because of the nifty settings. imagine cowon for dummies, a lot less settings, but all really cool in what they do.
the first surround effect is a nice crossfeed from what I hear and it does give that more "in front of you" sound that is much more natural and less fatiguing than usual headphone sound. other settings as always are abusing reverb so I would dismiss them.
there is an all auto setting (I have that on my old yp-p3 and it worked well too) the dap I guess scans the song and decide what EQ it should use. I don't use this, but when you shuffle albums it can really improve your songs.
EQ itself uses the usual bands on Sony from 16khz to 400hz + Bass setting that does more than just bump the entire area. it's a +10/-10 increment on all 6 sliders(5+bass). from my really fast test the bass works great, and the rest is ok up to 3 or 4. after than you start to hear some kind of distortion. so compared to what we usually have it's a good EQ (but not rockbox EQ).
 
I'll wait a few weeks to give any deep opinion on sound itself and couldn't tell you if it's really better than a F806 as I don't have one here (from memory I'm temped to say yes, but memory loves to play tricks). but it's really better than my A865. details are not washed up, trebles do exist, and the soundstage is audibly wider(again depending on your settings for more or less sided imaging).
things I can already say:
based on volume levels, if you guys are using big phones with low sensitivity and don't want an amp you might want to stay with x3, dx50,dx100,hm901.
same for the line out, volume is locked and I'm no mage, but it's not 2V coming out of this little fellow. the X3 (1.7v) was much much louder from the line out, so again for really hard to drive phones, you might want some extra voltage from another dap to plug into whatever amp (I'm thinking LCD2 clients here). for all the real "portable" gear it will be loud enough and probably driven ok.
no "tac" on the line out (at least I've got a way out).
I'm tempted to call it a little rolled off on the bass with all settings off (like almost every dap ever created), but it's hard to say with sony as they love to cook their own bass. anyway sub bass aren't drowning me on the 334 when it's usually easy to do so. this combo works very well (when I hated it on the X3).
 
all in all I'm pretty impressed by the sound and if I can get rid of the "tac" every 2 secs, it will be my preferred buddy from now on.  else on monday it goes back to where it came from.

Thanks for your first impression. Can't wait to try one myself!

Yep, there is gapless, and I'm beginning to think that PowerAmp is really good, using it's eq and disabling both built in surround effects and eq in the player. The SBH52 bluetooth control works wonders and displays the title perfectly without waking up the device. Wow just wow here...
 
Also, about the tics on the device, that's very weird... but then again, I don't have golden ears to confirm that. I really like how it sounds though, vastly superior to my previous player and comparable to my speakers (without the bass that is)

vect said:

  Yep, there is gapless, and I'm beginning to think that PowerAmp is really good, using it's eq and disabling both built in surround effects and eq in the player. The SBH52 bluetooth control works wonders and displays the title perfectly without waking up the device. Wow just wow here...
 
Also, about the tics on the device, that's very weird... but then again, I don't have golden ears to confirm that. I really like how it sounds though, vastly superior to my previous player and comparable to my speakers (without the bass that is)

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hehe it's not about golden ears. I can't hear s**t after 17khz ^_^.
just that I collect all the factors:
-listen quietly
-listen to music with quiet parts (classical music mostly)
-have super sensitive IEM. (it does change everything!)
-be a grumpy dude.

castleofargh said:

 
hehe it's not about golden ears. I can't hear s**t after 17khz ^_^.
just that I collect all the factors:
-listen quietly
-listen to music with quiet parts (classical music mostly)
-have super sensitive IEM. (it does change everything!)
-be a grumpy dude.

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Playing Bach Suite No.1 in G Prelude [Yo Yo Ma] on one step above of mute volume but.... nothing, Perhaps my XBA-30 are not sensible enough?

Anybody know what is the output impedance of this dap?

castleofargh said:

  but there is an audible "tac" every 2 seconds .... and there I died. I spent yesterday trying to disable everything with the hope that an app would be responsible for the "tac". I didn't download anything and went airplaine mod from start. I bought a player not a smartphone that can't call.  but no luck for me. if by any chance you guys found a way to remove it (another player maybe?), let me know and I will lick your shoes for the end of times.  because right now I can use an amp or get rid of it. I sold my dx50 the day I received it, that's how much of a zero tolerance I'm forcing on daps.
 
then again this "tac" is a problem only with sensitive IEMs and on tracks with silences(anti classical dap spotted!!). or if you miss vinyl cracklings, there you have 1 every 2secs...
 

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I have the "tac" too with my EB-50, along with almost no bass straight out of the headphone jack. I got rid of the "tac" and got some of the bass back by using a short extension, but the bass and soundstage is still worse than my old walkman phone (using Mega Bass) aside from having no hiss. I'm still trying different cables, but I haven't gotten any desirable results as of yet. I have the euro version so it might be the euro cap messing with things?

welcome to the family!!

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castleofargh said:

 
hehe it's not about golden ears. I can't hear s**t after 17khz ^_^.
just that I collect all the factors:
-listen quietly
-listen to music with quiet parts (classical music mostly)
-have super sensitive IEM. (it does change everything!)
-be a grumpy dude.

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Playing Bach Suite No.1 in G Prelude [Yo Yo Ma] on one step above of mute volume but.... nothing, Perhaps my XBA-30 are not sensible enough?

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just tried on xba-1 and xba-c10 (remembered I had those in my camera bag^_^) it's pretty much impossible to hear, my own body does more noise than those "tacs".
 
btw just put your volume to zero, the dap pretty much does those tacs all the time.
in any case like I suspected irrelevant for most headphones, that means sony will not see this as a bug
now we need to know if it's only the euro model? or if I just give up and go get my sad bunny membership card

Zero... I know which tacs you mean because that's the very reason I don't listen music on a cellphone... but no tacs at all on my side, even having the bluetooth enabled (since I have my SBH52 sending playback commands and receiving song info) I do hear my heart though... and that thing goes more often than 2 seconds
 
Please note, If I turn on my laptop here even when it was released 1 year ago I can hear the hard drive head moving side to side, it's very quiet here. I think this is mostly related with the headphones indeed.

vect said:

  Well, I just discovered weird things with PowerAmp... one of them is quite a lot of more volume...

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That is the opposite from what i am getting with poweramp,it also has a life of its own and starts up on a whim!did the same with my 806,I also found noozy the same,less volume.