The Stax Thread III

May 27, 2016 at 5:59 PM Post #8,881 of 28,125
Some data for people building or rebuilding / repairing / upgrading energizers. Since in my research i have found that some questions get asked over and over and sometimes the answers received are wrong or a near miss. 
 
The zener device in an SRD, marked Z1100 in the SRD-7 Mk2 datasheet, is a bidirectional TVS diode. transient voltage suppressor. You want one with a 100v breakdown voltage (not a 100v working voltage, or a 100v clamping voltage). Based on data here: http://www.datasheets360.com/part/detail/z1100/6016642548585695874/
 
For my project i have selected an MCC brand P6KE100CA-TP, 45 cents at Mouser. 

You can use two 100v zeners nose to nose, but, i don't want to. 
 
For the rest of the diodes of course we mostly use 1n4007 but really anything from 1n4003-1n4007 will work. But owing to popularity, the 1n4007 may be cheaper. And within that range it hardly matters. All of these are way better diodes than ever made it into most energizers. 
 
On the SRD-7 Pro and Mk2 schematics you see four devices represented by a big Z marked ZL01 through ZL04. It turns out that these are MOVs. Just like the devices in a "surge protector" type power strip, but at a different rating. 
 
Spritzer tells me that some later devices used high voltage zeners instead, but the MOVs will be quieter because they lack the switching noise inherent in a zener. 
 
The datasheet for the original device is here, but it's mostly in japanese: http://www.datasheetlib.com/datasheet/681268/enb461m-03a_fuji-electric.htm
 
archive.org has the text of a whitepaper for another member of the "Z-Trap" line of devices here: https://goo.gl/3Tz6Nn -- it is clearly stated that they are metal oxide varistors, not zeners. 
 
So we're looking for a very low capacitance MOV rated for about 460v. Turns out these are currently available from a few vendors. 
 
I have selected the Littelfuse V470ZA05P -- rated at 470v vs. the 460v of the original part (close enough!) and 35pf rather than the 40pf of the original device. 64 cents at mouser. They are tiny 5mm diameter discs. 
 
The PTH devices marked BD100N in the SRD-7 Mk2 schematic are still available. The current, full part number is PTGL07BD100N2B51BO - buck 20 each at mouser. I didn't see anything that looked like a more modern or superior device that does the same job, but since materials science has come such a long way since the 1970's, the current product is undoubtedly superior to the old one. 
 
These are here to protect both your transformers and your amplifier so if you for some reason think thermistors are ruining the sound, please at least replace them with some power resistors which should also serve to protect your amp from the reactive nature of a transformer load (and the DC resistance of the stax transformer is around 1 ohm, so this is a concern).
 
These are rated at 10 ohms each, used in parallel, so you'd want maybe a 5 ohm resistor in their place. The old SRD-7, fwiw, has a 4.7ohm thermistor in parallel with a 27ohm wirewound resistor. 
 
Other than that, just keep in mind when building that most resistors are rated for maybe 350v, and in a Pro bias energizer the resistor on the bias line will be looking at 570v. Look for a resistor with a working voltage rating of 700v or 1kv for that position. Like Vishay HVR3700002204FR500. 
 
May 30, 2016 at 7:38 AM Post #8,882 of 28,125
I'm avidly exploring the option of moving from HD800's to SR-009. After a lot of background reading and research the first practical step comes tomorrow when I'm going to a shop to audition the SR-009 amped by SRM-007tII (the only estat amp the shop has). I realise the 007tii is not the pinnacle of estat amps, so coming from a well amped HD800, I'm realistic enough not to expect to be blown away by the experience. Equally I want to remain positive about upgrading, and when/if I do it would be with either Carbon or BHSE.
So I'm looking for people's thoughts on the 007-tii with the SR-009, what I should expect to hear out of the pairing, and what I should not expect to hear (compared to an end-game SR-009 set up). That way I won't be too disappointed and my journey will continue in the right direction!
The audition is tomorrow, so any fast advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
May 30, 2016 at 7:49 AM Post #8,883 of 28,125
  I'm avidly exploring the option of moving from HD800's to SR-009. After a lot of background reading and research the first practical step comes tomorrow when I'm going to a shop to audition the SR-009 amped by SRM-727tII (the only estat amp the shop has). I realise the 727tii is not the pinnacle of estat amps, so coming from a well amped HD800, I'm realistic enough not to expect to be blown away by the experience. Equally I want to remain positive about upgrading, and when/if I do it would be with either Carbon or BHSE.
So I'm looking for people's thoughts on the 727-tii with the SR-009, what I should expect to hear out of the pairing, and what I should not expect to hear (compared to an end-game SR-009 set up). That way I won't be too disappointed and my journey will continue in the right direction!
The audition is tomorrow, so any fast advice would be greatly appreciated.


First off the 009 is an amazing headphone. Second it will sound to bright and thin with that amp.
 
Buy the 009s but DON'T buy the amp. Then look for a Carbon or KGSShv or put down a repo for the BHSE (should be mid spring 2017 delivery). If you can't find a KGSShv or Carbon or wait for the BHSE the Eddie Current is quicker I think. Or source a used SRM-717 and wait for your BHSE.
 
Otherwise you will do the selling and upgrading pain and not be happy till you get a decent amp. AIMO of course. Ask others on here.
 
Do keep us posted on your progress. Don't rush the demo take your time. The detail rush can impress but thake that amp home and in 2 weeks you will be unhappy (I would be anyway).
 
May 30, 2016 at 8:09 AM Post #8,884 of 28,125
The combination SR-009 and SRM-727II sounds very poor to my ears, i think the SRM-007tII is a better choice. But all Stax amps (especially the SRM-T2) brings not the SR-009 on a serios and comparable level!
 
May 30, 2016 at 8:11 AM Post #8,885 of 28,125
Personally I'm not so pessimistic. I had the SRM-727A for about 1.5 yrs before moving to something like the Electra. I would say that I enjoyed my time with my SR-009 throughout the time I owned the SRM-727A and even more so with the Electra. The SRM-727A didn't destroy my image of electrostats nor done any disservice to the SR-009.
 
Of course by all means if one could start with the SR-009 and KGSSHv Carbon, or go straight to the BHSE, that's also fine. One doesn't have to go through the audio journey to appreciate the headphones.
 
If I had started with the SR-007Mk1/2 with the SRM-727A or SRM-007tA, that's a slightly different story - at least in my opinion.
 
May 30, 2016 at 8:18 AM Post #8,886 of 28,125
@astrostar59- thanks for your advice.
I have absolutely no intention of buying the Stax amp, but I'm constrained by what the shop can offer me for the trial. I've never heard SR-009 (or any estat headphones) before, so I'm very interested to get a flavour for how they sound. I won't even buy the 009's tomorrow, I will get the amp sorted first, but this is realistically my best hope of 2-3 hours with some of my favourite music and the 009's.
"Too bright and thin" - sounds like HD800!  But I've read enough threads where many people have said the 009's are on another level compared to HD800, I just might well not see that for myself tomorrow with the 727tii.
 
May 30, 2016 at 9:20 AM Post #8,887 of 28,125
for me IMO auditioning gears at audio shops are little bit meaningless. They sound different from my homes sometimes.
and you may not avoid to use EQ/tone controls of preamps.
one of the biggest weird things of headphone amp world is they don't have tone controls!
loudspeaker world use EQer/tone controls. i.e. insanely expensive TRINNOV audio EQ etc.
even cheap marantz integrated amps have tone controls...
 
May 30, 2016 at 10:14 AM Post #8,888 of 28,125
My own experience :
SRM-727 stock is a bit odd : a bit bloated bass, non linear, some harshness at high volume. Interesting for classical, but coloured.
SRM-727 (as well as 717) modded is pretty decent (linearity, power, extension), but on the warm side of things. Think about a super SRM-1/mk2 Pro.
BHSE is another league...at another price 
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My advice :
- get a SRM-1/mk2 pro (with changed PS caps) for cheap ($350-400). The swiss army knife of Stax amps
- you may upgrade for some modded 727 / 717 in the $ 1000-1500 range (used, of course), they're pretty nice as the end of the journey for SR-009
- KGSS is said to be above 717 / modded 727, but it will be old headamp units or DIY (that can be very nice, think birgir-spritzer or geoff-headinclouds...think also JimL11)
- KGSSHV is said to be above KGSS, but DIY as well, and it looks like there's variations in sound, because of different PS / components
- KGSSHV carbon looks like another step up. In SQ and price. Still DIY
- BHSE is said to be in the same league, but a bit more on the bright side of things + tube rolling + boutique amp with extreme waiting time (and last batch processing now)
- T2 is still said to be the one to rule them all. But original Stax units have so-so PS, and heat may have toasted the PCB. DIY T2 is the ultimate DIY so far...unless you're looking at some new designs like grounded grid.
 
Useful KG post :
http://www.head-fi.org/t/223263/the-stax-thread-new/17445#post_8174660
 
Ali
 
May 30, 2016 at 10:59 AM Post #8,889 of 28,125
First post from a new Stax "mini" owner - SRS-002 in this thread. I think i'm gonna be addicted to the Stax sound already. Just listening to my Hugo electrostatic setup. Whoww, this mini sounds impressive, not as much slam as i used to hear with Audeze and Fostex TH-900, but airy, detailled, and easy enjoyable sound. Also comfort of this earphones aren't really bad. So for want to be Stax owners also, for pricing this SRS-002 set is really great...





 
May 30, 2016 at 12:24 PM Post #8,891 of 28,125
The SRM007 Mk II is significantly better sounding than a stock 727.  You may want to read the reviews over on Inner Fidelity (The SR009 and Great amps reviews).  Also worthwhile is reading/listening to the Big Sound 2015 impressions of both the 007 and 009.  A couple of my friends have listened to my SR 007 MkII with port mod and feel it is tonally fairly comparable to a modded HD800.  Tyll Hertzens of Inner Fidelity compared a modded 007 Mk II and thought it slotted in tonally between a stock 007 an a stock 009, with the 007 being too dull, and the 000 being too bright.  This was on a KGSS.  YMMV.
 
May 30, 2016 at 4:48 PM Post #8,892 of 28,125
Umm.. so I got a stax 303 for free but all the foam up front got destroyed and terrible and went into the mesh, so I took it apart to clean it. I did Ok but I bent one dust cover (front side). So I have 2 questions, would it be better to straighten it up and reglue to the driver, or just flip the driver around 180 degrees and leave the unshielded side away from face and sweat? I know it wouldn work on normal drivers but electrostats should kind of produse the exact same sound on either side right? And also, anyone got any good idea for some replacment damping foam? Thanks
 
May 30, 2016 at 10:07 PM Post #8,893 of 28,125
  The combination SR-009 and SRM-727II sounds very poor to my ears, i think the SRM-007tII is a better choice. But all Stax amps (especially the SRM-T2) brings not the SR-009 on a serios and comparable level!

 
I actually prefer the 727II over the SRM-007t...had better grip of the drivers. But the option I'd go with a starter SR009 amp is a spritzer modded SRM-727II...sounds really good with the SR-009s. Not KGSSHV good, but still very pleasing sound.
 
May 31, 2016 at 12:54 AM Post #8,895 of 28,125
First board fabbed up. Wire-for-wire drop in for the SRD-7, with SRD-7 Mk2 circuit. Pro bias pad is off by itself, to be nearest the left hand socket. 
 
I think the pitting is because my printer is old and decrepit and doesn't print very dark anymore. 
 

 

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