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Oct 23, 2016 at 12:14 AM Post #10,246 of 23,494
scarede2 said:
   
Hey there :)
Lucky me I was able to work something with the seller and will return the pair. I have a question, do you think it is better to sell the lyr 2 and upgrade to mjolnir 2 rather than rolling tubes?
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​You would up grade to the Mjolnir2 if you had headphones with balanced cables, and other equipment with balanced outputs. You still can tube roll the Mjolnir2, same as Lyr2.
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Oct 23, 2016 at 7:49 AM Post #10,247 of 23,494
Just won this auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191988855348  I was a little surprised the max bid I put in last night held up.  Almost got pipped in the end.  For a minute there I thought I might get them for really cheap.
 
There was a quad of similar tubes from the same seller that went for a better deal per tube, but I really didn't want four, or to spend that much.  Did someone here pick them up?
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 7:49 AM Post #10,248 of 23,494
spyder1 said:
 
​You would up grade to the Mjolnir2 if you had headphones with balanced cables, and other equipment with balanced outputs. You still can tube roll the Mjolnir2, same as Lyr2.
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Hi,
I would keep the Bifrost MB as my DAC for a while. I have LCD2.2 with Balanced cables. I was sort of questioning if mjolnir 2 with stock tubes would sound better with my current setup than with a Lyr 2 with holy grails. Thanks for any thoughts.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 7:55 AM Post #10,249 of 23,494
thurstonx said:
Just won this auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191988855348  I was a little surprised the max bid I put in last night held up.  Almost got pipped in the end.  For a minute there I thought I might get them for really cheap.

There was a quad of similar tubes from the same seller that went for a better deal per tube, but I really didn't want four, or to spend that much.  Did someone here pick them up?
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I thought I was going to get the quads cheapish til the last 20 seconds when it went over my limit (considerably)
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:51 AM Post #10,250 of 23,494
scarede2 said:
   
Hi,
I would keep the Bifrost MB as my DAC for a while. I have LCD2.2 with Balanced cables. I was sort of questioning if mjolnir 2 with stock tubes would sound better with my current setup than with a Lyr 2 with holy grails. Thanks for any thoughts.
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Your limited to 2 watts max using the M2 as single ended. Much less than the Lyr 2. Never heard that amp but I suspect I would like the Lyr 2 better with excellent tubes vs the M2 with stock tubes.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 9:54 AM Post #10,251 of 23,494
I told youz guys you could steal stuff on Swiss Tubes.  These '66 Miniwatt E188CC's just went for $46.
One of you ???
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Philips-E188CC-USED-TUBES-/391594514811?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Rn9ptRImOIFgh9ATUpva8RikC9s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 10:12 AM Post #10,252 of 23,494
billerb1 said:
  I told youz guys you could steal stuff on Swiss Tubes.  These '66 Miniwatt E188CC's just went for $46.
One of you ???
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Philips-E188CC-USED-TUBES-/391594514811?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Rn9ptRImOIFgh9ATUpva8RikC9s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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Test numbers still seem off to me.  Of course, I paid $70 or so for 1963 Siemens CCas with dodgy numbers, and they're OK, so WTH do I know.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 10:17 AM Post #10,253 of 23,494
30 minutes left on these.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Philips-E88CC-Goldpins-SQ-Tubes-NOS-testresuld-/391594721811?hash=item5b2cdd4213:g:aiMAAOSwmLlX8l8c
 
Same here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Valvo-ECC88-NOS-NIB-Tubes-/391594721814?hash=item5b2cdd4216:g:D-UAAOSwpLNX8i5S
 
Siemens E88CC quad, 0 bids, 4.5 hrs left
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-x-Siemens-E88CC-tested-10-11-10-10-12-12-15-16-mA-on-Funke-W20-925-/201692711379?hash=item2ef5d289d3:g:BW8AAOSw8w1YA6XR
 
Siemens E188CC, 11 minutes left 0 bids
http://www.ebay.com/itm/e188cc-siemens-CCA-NOS-/162241738988?hash=item25c65c78ec:g:R9sAAOSwmfhX4UTz
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 1:45 PM Post #10,254 of 23,494
scarede2 said:
   
Hi,
I would keep the Bifrost MB as my DAC for a while. I have LCD2.2 with Balanced cables. I was sort of questioning if mjolnir 2 with stock tubes would sound better with my current setup than with a Lyr 2 with holy grails. Thanks for any thoughts.
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No, I never tried MJ2 with stock tubes, figuring if good tubes sound so much better in Lyr2 of course they would sound so much better in MJ2 also. I have to think tubes make more of a difference than the difference in these 2 amps. However, balanced is also a big step up.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 3:44 PM Post #10,255 of 23,494
Guys got a question about noisy tubes, in my Lyr 2 I get no noise on 74, 75 Reflektors. In my dac the 75`s 1 tube is pretty noisy. The 74`s have a slight crackle in my Lite Dac 68. They both have about 171 hrs in. Any chance tubes will settle down with more burn in time in the dac or amp? Don`t really care for the 74`s in my dac, but really like the 75`s. They are the SWGP silver shields.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 3:47 PM Post #10,256 of 23,494
scarede2 said:
   
Hi,
I would keep the Bifrost MB as my DAC for a while. I have LCD2.2 with Balanced cables. I was sort of questioning if mjolnir 2 with stock tubes would sound better with my current setup than with a Lyr 2 with holy grails. Thanks for any thoughts.
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From my experience with the Lyr2 and the MJ2, and using the same exact pair of tubes, I prefer the MJ2 SE over the Lyr2.
Never compared the MJ2 SE with stock tubes against Lyr2 with "holy grails" although I'm not sure what your "holy grail" is. I will say, however, that a tube with less dimension/dynamic/precision will cripple any amplifier. The Lyr2 is a very good amp and with good tubes it is an outstanding experience. The MJ2 is just a little better, and it offers balanced.
 
Good tubes are a necessary part of the equation. One way or another, you have to do some exploration and purchasing. The tubes can go with you when you upgrade the Lyr2. I just wouldn't spend money on tubes that would buy a MJ2 if you really want a MJ2. You can get good tube sound at reasonable prices.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM Post #10,257 of 23,494
tk16 said:
  Guys got a question about noisy tubes, in my Lyr 2 I get no noise on 74, 75 Reflektors. In my dac the 75`s 1 tube is pretty noisy. The 74`s have a slight crackle in my Lite Dac 68. They both have about 171 hrs in. Any chance tubes will settle down with more burn in time in the dac or amp? Don`t really care for the 74`s in my dac, but really like the 75`s. They are the SWGP silver shields.
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Hi TK, My experience is that the hummers and crackers keep humming and cracking :frowning2:
I've had some new, noisy tubes clean up after a day or two but at a 171 hours, I think you have to love them just as they are. Oh well. I've had more than a few REFL 6N23Ps that vary with noise depending on the amp. Remember, the Lyr2 has DC heaters, so it's quieter.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 3:57 PM Post #10,258 of 23,494
thurstonx said:
 
billerb1 said:
  I told youz guys you could steal stuff on Swiss Tubes.  These '66 Miniwatt E188CC's just went for $46.
One of you ???
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Philips-E188CC-USED-TUBES-/391594514811?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Rn9ptRImOIFgh9ATUpva8RikC9s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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Test numbers still seem off to me.  Of course, I paid $70 or so for 1963 Siemens CCas with dodgy numbers, and they're OK, so WTH do I know.
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Agreed the numbers sounded funky...Swiss Tubes usually shows numbers like 24 when NOS supposedly is 15...and these were below 15.  BUT mid-60's Miniwatt 188CC's for $25 a piece is a pretty good deal even if they're at 70% power.
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 5:35 PM Post #10,259 of 23,494
rnros said:
 
Hi TK, My experience is that the hummers and crackers keep humming and cracking :frowning2:
I've had some new, noisy tubes clean up after a day or two but at a 171 hours, I think you have to love them just as they are. Oh well. I've had more than a few REFL 6N23Ps that vary with noise depending on the amp. Remember, the Lyr2 has DC heaters, so it's quieter.
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Noise went away after about an hour, going to leave them in until my set of tubes arrive. Nah noise is back, these tubes are far behind in my rotation so no biggie.
 
 
Amperex 6922 PQ PW Holland $265 buy it now. 7L3
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amperex-Pinched-Waist-6922-E88CC-PQ-Holland-Gold-Pin-Strong-January-1958-Rare-/131980205726?hash=item1ebaa21e9e:g:uT4AAOSwo4pYDSkV
 
Valvo E88CC PW auction Heerlen 7L0 1956
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E88CC-Valvo-red-pinched-waist-D-Getter-Bottom-Code-ROHRE-Tube-Valvola-/291920500759?hash=item43f7d15817:g:Wt4AAOSwHMJYDQJb
 
Valvo CCa PW Heerlen 7L2 1956
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CCA-Valvo-pinched-waist-D-Getter-7L2-used-7-Bottom-Code-ROHRE-Tube-Valvola-/302116044931?hash=item4657850083:g:7jUAAOSwcLxYDQOp
 
Oct 23, 2016 at 6:11 PM Post #10,260 of 23,494
billerb1 said:
  Agreed the numbers sounded funky...Swiss Tubes usually shows numbers like 24 when NOS supposedly is 15...and these were below 15.  BUT mid-60's Miniwatt 188CC's for $25 a piece is a pretty good deal even if they're at 70% power.
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I agree, IF the two numbers were close.  Assuming those numbers were for each triode, they were pretty far apart. I'd wonder about balance, reduced stage, etc.
 
These have gone past "good deal" for me:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/272418376223
 
They look legit, unlike the questionable CCas he's offering.  Anyone bidding?
 
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