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post #226 of 366
Thanks for everyone's review. smily_headphones1.gif the TH900 and Bakoon definitely a great combo in my experience, even comparable with my LCD3 and the Bakoon system. Different sound signature tho.

Back to the high gain vs low gain question, I found that the high gain of HPA-21 bring out more synergy, more air, and more powerful bass with the LCD3. Anyone agree this?? (As low gain is not always better, wish to hear more people's opinion here) .

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post #227 of 366

Sub'd

 

I recently got my LCD-3 and looking to add headphone amp in the next month or two.

My shortlist was mainly the Conductor or the NAIM DAC-V1, mainly for the convenience of an all-in-one solution but also because I can easily demo them at a couple of local dealers.

Have been reading about the HPA-21 with great interest over the past few days.

It's more than what I was planning on spending and I'd have to get a separate DAC. I've managed to locate a national dealer who can order one for me and has offered a reasonable price for it. So I may consider it, but it would have to be bought on the strength of reviews alone ...

Can I ask what people are using as a DAC with this? If I got this could I get away with using a budget/portable DAC for the short term?

 

Shaka


Edited by Shaka - 11/8/13 at 10:43am
post #228 of 366

You can get good DACs for under 1k such as the concero hd or xsabre.

post #229 of 366

This is what I used for most of my listening with the Bakoon.

http://www.bladelius.com/products/bladelius/usb-dac/

I actually had access to a couple of slightly pricier DACs like the Micromega MyDac and Meier Corda Daccord, but chose to rely on the Bladelius. I just prefer the sound it gives, plus it's USB-powered so I don't need an additional power outlet.

post #230 of 366
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This is what I used for most of my listening with the Bakoon.
http://www.bladelius.com/products/bladelius/usb-dac/
I actually had access to a couple of slightly pricier DACs like the Micromega MyDac and Meier Corda Daccord, but chose to rely on the Bladelius. I just prefer the sound it gives, plus it's USB-powered so I don't need an additional power outlet.

Yeah that's the sort of thing I had in mind. Was thinking of Meridian Explorer or M2Tech HiFace etc
If I went for the HPA-21, I kinda blow all my amp/DAC budget and then some, lol
post #231 of 366

Shaka,

 

Isn't the HiFace a USB-to-SPDIF re-clocker/interface? You'll still need a DAC to plug it into, if that's the case.

 

I'd recommend that whatever little DAC you get be a DAC only. The Meridian, for instance, is a DAC + amp, afaik, even though it's mostly marketed as a DAC only. USB-powered DACs are already quite compromised (price-size-performance ratios), so getting a DAC+amp combo would be a further compromise, in that regard.  In this particular market-segment, I think it's best to go for the models that subscribe to the "do one thing and do it well" formula. The Concero that Llloyd recommended above sounds like a decent DAC, though I'm not sure how much it costs or whether you'll be able to fit it into your budget.

 

Also, I don't recommend you purchase the Bakoon (or any amp) based on reviews only. I realize that it's difficult to get a a demo where you're at, but still, it's a bit of a risk. While (imho) the Bakoon is an excellent amp, it does have a certain signature, particularly from it's current output. This signature might or might not be your cup of scotch.

 

Fwiw, I have no experience with the Naim DAC you mentioned, but Bursons are by no means inferior. I have a Soloist (which is pretty much a Conductor without the in-built DAC), and while the Bakoon HPA-21 is clearly unsurpassed in certain categories, the Soloist can hold it's own in others. Instrument layering in the midrange and upper bass region, for example, is very good on the Burson. While the Bakoon exhibited more detail and control at the low-end, I sometimes wished it had the Burson's bass impact for certain less laid-back music. I can get into a bit more detail about differences between the HPA-21 and Soloist with the LCD-3, but they'll obviously be subjective. Just ask if you're interested, or PM me.

 

Horses for courses, as they say. I realize this is a Bakoon HPA-21 thread, but if you're able to actually audition a Conductor with your LCD-3 and like the sound, then by all means go for it. I reckon it's a pretty good combo, though personally I'd opt for the CM6631A USB receiver upgrade (see Burson's website) if I were getting a Conductor for myself.


Edited by kurochin - 11/9/13 at 3:21am
post #232 of 366
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Shaka,

 

Isn't the HiFace a USB-to-SPDIF re-clocker/interface? You'll still need a DAC to plug it into, if that's the case.

 

I'd recommend that whatever little DAC you get be a DAC only. The Meridian, for instance, is a DAC + amp, afaik, even though it's mostly marketed as a DAC only. USB-powered DACs are already quite compromised (price-size-performance ratios), so getting a DAC+amp combo would be a further compromise, in that regard.  In this particular market-segment, I think it's best to go for the models that subscribe to the "do one thing and do it well" formula. The Concero that Llloyd recommended above sounds like a decent DAC, though I'm not sure how much it costs or whether you'll be able to fit it into your budget.

 

Also, I don't recommend you purchase the Bakoon (or any amp) based on reviews only. I realize that it's difficult to get a a demo where you're at, but still, it's a bit of a risk. While (imho) the Bakoon is an excellent amp, it does have a certain signature, particularly from it's current output. This signature might or might not be your cup of scotch.

 

Fwiw, I have no experience with the Naim DAC you mentioned, but Bursons are by no means inferior. I have a Soloist (which is pretty much a Conductor without the in-built DAC), and while the Bakoon HPA-21 is clearly unsurpassed in certain categories, the Soloist can hold it's own in others. Instrument layering in the midrange and upper bass region, for example, is very good on the Burson. While the Bakoon exhibited more detail and control at the low-end, I sometimes wished it had the Burson's bass impact for certain less laid-back music. I can get into a bit more detail about differences between the HPA-21 and Soloist with the LCD-3, but they'll obviously be subjective. Just ask if you're interested, or PM me.

 

Horses for courses, as they say. I realize this is a Bakoon HPA-21 thread, but if you're able to actually audition a Conductor with your LCD-3 and like the sound, then by all means go for it. I reckon it's a pretty good combo, though personally I'd opt for the CM6631A USB receiver upgrade (see Burson's website) if I were getting a Conductor for myself.

Thanks kurochin, will PM

post #233 of 366
does any one has news now about the futur Bakoon's  DAC that should pair with the HPA-21 ?  

Indeed, It make sense for me to purchase a HPA-21 only if I can also gat the associated battery operated DAC, (with same look & footprint) to built a complete Transportable "DAC/AMP solution" Running on battery.

thanks in advance for sharing any info you may have

Bertrand
post #234 of 366
Thread Starter 

Sorry, no info on the Bakoon DAC. Other than it will be expensive (like $5.000-ish).

 

I'm currently listening to the record "Two Rooms: Celebrating the Songs of Elton John & Bernie Taupin" from 1991 on HD800. Amazing! It's so easy to follow the bass. Treble is a little bit hard, but I don't mind. Will try to mod my HD800 soon.

post #235 of 366
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A new HPA-21 review by Headfonia.com: http://www.headfonia.com/bakoon-hpa-21-the-current-amp/

 

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Then again, if you just need an incredibly good amp for your orthos, don’t look any further. Get it immediately and you’ll be sold for life. You’ll be amazed how it makes your headphones sound. I promise you that.

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post #236 of 366
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Sorry, no info on the Bakoon DAC. Other than it will be expensive (like $5.000-ish).

I'm currently listening to the record "Two Rooms: Celebrating the Songs of Elton John & Bernie Taupin" from 1991 on HD800. Amazing! It's so easy to follow the bass. Treble is a little bit hard, but I don't mind. Will try to mod my HD800 soon.

Thanks for the info, but Will the DAC BE battery operated like the HPA-21 and same form factor than the HPA-21 ?
post #237 of 366
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Originally Posted by CanDude View Post
 

A new HPA-21 review by Headfonia.com: http://www.headfonia.com/bakoon-hpa-21-the-current-amp/

 

:beerchug: 

 

It does have some shortcomings too though. I just wish the Voltage out was (a lot) better to fully justify the 3K price tag.

post #238 of 366

Received mine few days ago and I am thoroughly impressed. I took it to a meet organised by Hifi Lounge and had the chance to compare it to various highly regarded amplifiers from Burson,  Bryston and EF6. With the Audeze, HE-6 and Fostex it was easily the most transparent, spatious and  detailed but some cans from Beyer and Sennheiser weren't sounded too good on it.

 

post #239 of 366

All using the Satri circuit I suppose?

post #240 of 366

Yes, I haven't really bothered with the voltage one to be honest.  I have never warmed up to any Audeze cans before but the Bakoon + LCD3 was phenomenal. Thankfully it  also sounds superb with my HE6.

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