[krayziehustler]

   
Ah ok, it is only for 5800 songs in one folder?  Ok, that's a relief.
 
As for gapless and tag-related navigation goes - I am not exactly holding my breath.  This has been an issue all the way from the start, so I am not sure where this confidence that "it will get fixed soon" is coming from.
 
The klutzy navigation interface I can deal with.

That's not true. I have close to 100 folders and each folder has at least 1-2 sub folders and 8000 songs scattered and the database only recognized 5800. It appears to be a limit in total songs nothing to do with folders as the folder view doesn't need a database.

 

[krayziehustler]

   
1, There are limited for the sum of files in the database, it can't be unlimited. and as we know, X5 already do better than some expensive DAP.
 

 
That's not a number to be proud of. The Cowon J3 that is far less powerful than the X5 and over 5 years old can index 8000 songs.  

 

[Brooko]

So sell the X5 and buy a Cowon.  If you put it up on the FS right now you're almost guaranteed to get a buyer and hardly lose anything.
 
I know your disappointed - but if it's not the right DAP for you (and clearly by your comments it isn't), sell it and move on 

 

[krayziehustler]

  So sell the X5 and buy a Cowon.  If you put it up on the FS right now you're almost guaranteed to get a buyer and hardly lose anything.
 
I know your disappointed - but if it's not the right DAP for you (and clearly by your comments it isn't), sell it and move on 

 
And buy what exactly? There isn't anything out there that comes close, the X5 is the closest. Mind you I could of course get something much more expensive but I refuse to pay more for my DAP than I did for my laptop lol

 

[sandalaudio]

   
And buy what exactly? There isn't anything out there that comes close, the X5 is the closest. Mind you I could of course get something much more expensive but I refuse to pay more for my DAP than I did for my laptop lol

 
I don't quite understand this problem. I have two 64GB microSD cards each fully packed with music, mostly CD rips, also a few 96kHz HD files, and that only totals 2023 files. Even if I get two 128GB microSD cards in the future, I don't think I will reach the 5800 file limit, considering I will have more and more HD files and less CD rips from now onwards.
 
I thought the whole point of Fiio X5 was to play high quality music files. If the source is a compressed MP3 with its brick wall low pass filter, resultant noise artifacts, smudged transients, etc., I don't see how it ever actually needing X5's superb D/A conversion. If MP3 playback is required, it's probably better to just use a smartphone hooked up to a portable amp.

 

[maeschba]

In that case, back to "oh crap".   Browsing by folder doesnt work for me, as I listen primarily to classical music.    

Why that? I have 98% classical and use primarely 'Browse Folder'. Genre and Artist are not so useful. I tag the composer as Artist and not the performer. Album would be useful, but I rely more often on the folder name, which I always know. All my files are tagged by hand, but more important is that I use/name one folder per album, i.e 'Francois Leleux_ Der Charme der Oboe', if the performer is important, or 'John Adams_ On the Transmigratuon of Souls', if the composer is more important (for meat least).

 

[BoneEnterprise]

   
I don't quite understand this problem.

 
Buying a "modern" device that has an instant hard limit would be a problem to myself, especially when it was already mentioned that there is another product that is older and supports a larger database.

 

[greatbadir]

 
And buy what exactly? There isn't anything out there that comes close, the X5 is the closest. Mind you I could of course get something much more expensive but I refuse to pay more for my DAP than I did for my laptop lol

 


I'm in exactly the same boat as you. The X5 was shaping up to be the answer to my problems, but now I've had to totally exclude it as an option, purely because of this file limit issue. And it sounds like there are no plans to resolve it.

File limits in general are a pain, but 5800 is even less than players a decade old. I've maxed out my 160gig Cowon X7, and that's got about 9000 songs on it (mostly ogg at 160) - I think the limit on that is 11000, or something. I have another 9000 or so off-player.

It seems like such a backward step, especially when one of the main selling points of the X5 is its ever expandable memory, only limited by the size of available cards (and any upper limit of the hardware, which is presumably in the region of TBs). Infinite fair play to James and the Fiio team for keeping their fanbase and other customers in the loop during development, and it sounds like it's generally fantastic value for money, but the expandable memory seems to be a bit of a pointless and empty claim. It's a real shame, especially considering one of the top things people wanted in the X5 wish list poll was a decent amount of storage.

It sounds like the iBassos don't have the same problem (and the DX50 now has a stable Rockbox, so one assumes the 90 and 100 will also get RB at some point) - can anyone confirm? I'm not sure about AKs, but they're silly money (even though the 240 looks to be my perfect DAP).

I'm now looking at the Calyx M as the potential next best option (obviously pending reviews whenever the damn thing is released), otherwise it's a wait to see what the Fiio X7 and any other next generation players bring.

I just don't get it, though. If an open source piece of freeware like Rockbox can easily get round file limit problems, why are funded companies still finding it so difficult, and why is the X5's limit from the (relative) stoneage?!?!?!?

 

[serafko]

 

   
And buy what exactly? There isn't anything out there that comes close, the X5 is the closest. Mind you I could of course get something much more expensive but I refuse to pay more for my DAP than I did for my laptop lol

 


I'm in exactly the same boat as you. The X5 was shaping up to be the answer to my problems, but now I've had to totally exclude it as an option, purely because of this file limit issue. And it sounds like there are no plans to resolve it.

File limits in general are a pain, but 5800 is even less than players a decade old. I've maxed out my 160gig Cowon X7, and that's got about 9000 songs on it (mostly ogg at 160) - I think the limit on that is 11000, or something. I have another 9000 or so off-player.

It seems like such a backward step, especially when one of the main selling points of the X5 is its ever expandable memory, only limited by the size of available cards (and any upper limit of the hardware, which is presumably in the region of TBs). Infinite fair play to James and the Fiio team for keeping their fanbase and other customers in the loop during development, and it sounds like it's generally fantastic value for money, but the expandable memory seems to be a bit of a pointless and empty claim. It's a real shame, especially considering one of the top things people wanted in the X5 wish list poll was a decent amount of storage.

It sounds like the iBassos don't have the same problem (and the DX50 now has a stable Rockbox, so one assumes the 90 and 100 will also get RB at some point) - can anyone confirm? I'm not sure about AKs, but they're silly money (even though the 240 looks to be my perfect DAP).

I'm now looking at the Calyx M as the potential next best option (obviously pending reviews whenever the damn thing is released), otherwise it's a wait to see what the Fiio X7 and any other next generation players bring.

I just don't get it, though. If an open source piece of freeware like Rockbox can easily get round file limit problems, why are funded companies still finding it so difficult, and why is the X5's limit from the (relative) stoneage?!?!?!?

The difference between X5 and DX50 or DX90 is in internal memory to use for database. iBasso has 8GB memory and that's why there is no problem with tag numbers in database, so rockbox is not responsible for number of songs in database, and new firmware could not solve the limit problem. But for other stuff like replaygain, crossfeed, genre/artist/album, parametric EQ, gapless.... and many other usefull things ROCKbox is lightyears in front of FIIO and iBasso firmware. 

 

[greatbadir]

The difference between X5 and DX50 or DX90 is in internal memory to use for database. iBasso has 8GB memory and that's why there is no problem with tag numbers in database, so rockbox is not responsible for number of songs in database, and new firmware could not solve the limit problem. But for other stuff like replaygain, crossfeed, genre/artist/album, parametric EQ, gapless.... and many other usefull things ROCKbox is lightyears in front of FIIO and iBasso firmware. 

 


But how is it that most MUCH older players either don't have the problem or, if they do, the limit is way higher than 5800?

Surely most people these days have more than 5800 songs?

 

[serafko]

 

  The difference between X5 and DX50 or DX90 is in internal memory to use for database. iBasso has 8GB memory and that's why there is no problem with tag numbers in database, so rockbox is not responsible for number of songs in database, and new firmware could not solve the limit problem. But for other stuff like replaygain, crossfeed, genre/artist/album, parametric EQ, gapless.... and many other usefull things ROCKbox is lightyears in front of FIIO and iBasso firmware. 

 


But how is it that most MUCH older players either don't have the problem or, if they do, the limit is way higher than 5800?

Surely most people these days have more than 5800 songs?

Perhaps they have bigger buffer or more internal memory or both.

 

[thericochet]

You cannot get 5800 FLAC tracks on two 64GB cards. You might be able to on two 128GB cards but even then it depends what you're putting on there. They will probably up the limit later when bigger cards can be used.
 
If you're using an external HD with all 25,000 of your FLAC files on it you can just use folder browse, and you'll do this anyway rather than wait for 25,000 files to be indexed by the database.
 
You're only ever going to try to index more than 5800 files if you are using lossy files, in which case there is no reason to have this hardware.
 
There is no problem here.

 

[greatbadir]

Well, maybe I'm being overly harsh, but it still seems like a ridiculous thing to have as a problem nearly 20 years on from the first publically available players.

 

[Klipsch]

I ripped all my cd into folder. I guess as long as I can still see all my songs under folder view, not restricted by 5.8k limit, it is still alright for me. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[krayziehustler]

  You cannot get 5800 FLAC tracks on two 64GB cards. You might be able to on two 128GB cards but even then it depends what you're putting on there. They will probably up the limit later when bigger cards can be used.
 
If you're using an external HD with all 25,000 of your FLAC files on it you can just use folder browse, and you'll do this anyway rather than wait for 25,000 files to be indexed by the database.
 
You're only ever going to try to index more than 5800 files if you are using lossy files, in which case there is no reason to have this hardware.
 
There is no problem here.

 
The X5 with its great DAC and AMP makes even lossy files sound better than they do on other devices. It is a digital audio player after all not a flac audio player only. Meaning you can put whatever you want in there that it can play. What does it matter what file format they are.