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But even if you're on the money, and it definitely could be replaced by prizing open its shell (warranty anyone?) I have a funny feeling we won't find your usual AA, AAA battery inside, i.e., your commonly found, inexpensive battery, of which it's so easy to buy another one. Still, please don't get me wrong. I'm most surely on the consumer's side on this issue.

 

What's more I've a Diamond Rio pmp 500 which plays as good as the day I bought it - and you know, its battery life couldn't be better - despite over 12 years' passing. Yes, that's 12 years!  Sure its 64mb memory is a joke now, but the laughing stops when you consider it will probably have more use in another 12 years than any of today's most esteemed players. Why? Because it runs off one standard generically sized, AA battery; and that's one very easily replaceable battery now, and surely will be for the rest of our lives! Too much to ask for, methinks not.

Really? A Diamond Rio? I've got an old Sansa M200 that takes a single AAA but I'd never compare that in any way to a modern DAP. There's a reason I don't use it anymore. A replaceable battery in something that with the needs the higher current draw for this type of performance would limit playtime to where it would become even more necessary to carry one and replace it. Maybe you need to pry open the DAPs you're accustomed to but I suspect the x5 will actually use screws so any prying would be minimal. No need to bring up warranty. If the battery failed in that amount of time, FiiO would take care of it. Any user replacement will happen well beyond that period.


Edited by goodvibes - 11/12/13 at 6:16am
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ClieOS, will you do a review just like X3, have early access to X5 and inform us etc?

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ClieOS, will you do a review just like X3, have early access to X5 and inform us etc?

What is your dap now?

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What is your dap now?

I'm going to get X5, for the moment I am out of real daps (the last one I have got broken recently) and using an old ipod nano (unfortunately, horrible horrible SQ). Why did you ask?

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I'm going to get X5, for the moment I am out of real daps (the last one I have got broken recently) and using an old ipod nano (unfortunately, horrible horrible SQ). Why did you ask?

 

I thought you had a Chinese dap .

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I thought you had a Chinese dap .

Nope, I had Clip+ but it died. I will buy it again to use only in the gym while keeping X5 as a main dap.

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@ ClieOS: you argue that the rational solution to the non-swappable/replaceable battery (semantics!) is to pay to ship it off to China, using insured post (as my X5 could get lost), to then pay for Fiio's employees to replace it at a yet to be disclosed price, and obviously also have to pay Fiio the cost of return insured postage from China back to Europe for their doing so. Hmmm, don't you think that the costs of doing all that make dumping it on ebay to some sucker a far more rational way of 'solving' the problem which we all know will occur, of its battery no longer working efficiently after much regular usage?

 

Ok, CLieOS, if you don't mind, I will, when the day comes, call you on that.

 

If you allow, I will do as you suggest and report back, when the day comes. In other words, I will attempt to do just what you've suggested is a good solution, after I buy an X5. And I will indeed report back here, as I trust it is within forum rules to do so, of my experiences and also my costs in doing so. You say that that is the solution, so let's just see how good a solution that will be...

 

By the way, I'm also wondering if you suggest that I do the same with my X3? I'm sure its battery will drain first given how much I'm continuing to use it.

 

FWIW, I would submit that your solution, with respect, is an unnecessarily expensive and protracted way around a problem which will occur to all of us who use our portable devices enough. It is still submitted that the far easier way of dealing with a dwindling battery life is for manufacturers of portable devices to allow consumers to use easily bought and user-swappable batteries. But apparently, we'll just have to accept that the X5 will, when playing music files, draw so much current from its batteries, that we must only trust in the factory supplied battery to do the job properly. Hmmmm.

 

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As it has mentioned various times before, the battery is replaceable, just not swappable. It is not using an off-the-shelf smartphone battery since there is no smartphone battery that has large enough capacity (*Keep note that X5 battery is 76% larger the S3 / DX50 battery and 42% larger than S4 battery. Assuming X5 has 10 hours of playtime, you will get only 5.7 hours out S3 battery and 7 hours out of S4's battery). So if you want to replace the battery, you can contact FiiO and they will sell you one and you can replace it yourself, assuming you have the right tool and skill - or you can send it back and pay them to replace one for you.

 

The only way of using a smartphone battery is to accept a shorter operation time and a larger housing, There is no pleasing between maximizing battery capacity while keep the size down and easy battery swappability, FiiO just chooses one over the other at the end. That's why James said that if you really want to extend your battery life further, use a power bank. If you are willing to carry a secondary battery, then carrying a power bank shouldn't be that difficult to overcome. Not to mention most power bank should offer higher capacity than swappable battery anyway.

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@Disquisitive: How quickly are you expecting these batteries to die? Also, have you considered that, given their sales volume, Fiio will likely equip a few of its US/EU distributors to handle basic repairs, including battery swaps? Think before you rant.
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regarding the battery life... James made this comment on Fiio board (my own translation..)

 

"If you use the X5 2 hours per day, you will only need to charge at the end of each week (i.e. a full charge cycle) and the battery will last for 300 charge cycles, i.e. 300 weeks/6 years"

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Picking the alternative solution as the one CleiOS recommended (replace it yourself) is a poor way to make a point. The battery will be able to be replaced by anyone that can handle a screw driver in 15 minutes, (no soldering) and if you don't feel competent or just don't care to, buy a battery and hand it to any local repair shop. They'll charge 1/2 or less hours labor. I think it's been covered and now you're just ignoring the obvious and arguing for the sake of winning a debate.

Edited by goodvibes - 11/12/13 at 7:29am
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ClieOS, will you do a review just like X3, have early access to X5 and inform us etc?
Hopefully yes, though I can't confirm yet.
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I am not even sure if that ^^ is worth a reply, but I will try to write a battery replacement guide if that pleases anyone. Then again, I am not that sure some can be pleased at all rolleyes.gif
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Sorry chaps, though it may be hard to believe, if you're also consumers, then please know  I'm on your side too. This isn't a fight or debate versus the rest of you. What I'm asking for would, believe it or not, be better for most consumers! Sorry if a few of you don't see it that way.

 

@ cosmicholyghost: I currently use my X3 considerably more than 2 hours per day. In fact I often enjoy drifting off to sleep  at night, wearing mine playing, so the thought of using an X5 for only 2 hours per day for me would be a joke.

 

@Fatmansize48: @Disquisitive: "How quickly are you expecting these batteries to die? Also, have you considered that, given their sales volume, Fiio will likely equip a few of its US/EU distributors to handle basic repairs, including battery swaps? Think before you rant."

 

Thanks for telling me to "think before you rant", was that a helpful tip? Maybe you are fine with the fact that when your X5's battery becomes next to useless, you can just throw it away or sell it on ebay but I'm not. then again, you'd probably believe I'm not thinking again.

 

I heavily use my X3 so I'm expecting to need to change my X5 when I buy it within 2 years. Saying that Fiio will likely equip a few of its EU distributors to "handle basic repairs" when it comes to battery swaps, without stating further details, is just your conjecture unless you provide solid costs and facts to back up your claim.  Maybe they do, maybe they don't - please do fill us in on the relevant details and costs? Because I can't see the answers yet by doing web searches. I'm in the UK, btw, thank you.

 

@goodvibes: are you 100% sure that an end user or another third party opening its case to remove its battery will not invalidate the X5's warranty? Please state how much a replacement battery will cost *if* it won't invalidate its warranty?

 

@ goodvibes: if I'm not mistaken, your suggestion involves doing something which ordinarily end users are not expected to do, so again, are you 100% sure that replacing its battery won't invalidate its warranty? Also, when you say "buy a battery" - what exact battery please? Where can I buy it, when the day comes, and how much will it cost please? Are you 100% sure tthat opening its shell by an end user won't risk damaging it, even if it won't invalidate any warranty? And if you can't state what it (exactly what battery) will cost where I am then what will it cost where you are please? I'd be interested to know more please, and it does look like you know more than I can find. Thanks

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Hopefully yes, though I can't confirm yet.

I am not even sure if that ^^ is worth a reply, but I will try to write a battery replacement guide if that pleases anyone. Then again, I am not that sure some can be pleased at all rolleyes.gif


Yes please. That would be excellent, for all of us who want to buy the X5, provided you could also give an indication of costs and where to source the battery replacement too. Thank you!

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Sorry chaps, though it may be hard to believe, if you're also consumers, then please know  I'm on your side too. This isn't a fight or debate versus the rest of you. What I'm asking for would, believe it or not, be better for most consumers! Sorry if a few of you don't see it that way.

 

@ cosmicholyghost: I currently use my X3 considerably more than 2 hours per day. In fact I often enjoy drifting off to sleep  at night, wearing mine playing, so the thought of using an X5 for only 2 hours per day for me would be a joke.

 

@Fatmansize48: @Disquisitive: "How quickly are you expecting these batteries to die? Also, have you considered that, given their sales volume, Fiio will likely equip a few of its US/EU distributors to handle basic repairs, including battery swaps? Think before you rant."

 

Thanks for telling me to "think before you rant", was that a helpful tip? Maybe you are fine with the fact that when your X5's battery becomes next to useless, you can just throw it away or sell it on ebay but I'm not. then again, you'd probably believe I'm not thinking again.

 

I heavily use my X3 so I'm expecting to need to change my X5 when I buy it within 2 years. Saying that Fiio will likely equip a few of its EU distributors to "handle basic repairs" when it comes to battery swaps, without stating further details, is just your conjecture unless you provide solid costs and facts to back up your claim.  Maybe they do, maybe they don't - please do fill us in on the relevant details and costs? Because I can't see the answers yet by doing web searches. I'm in the UK, btw, thank you.

 

@goodvibes: are you 100% sure that an end user or another third party opening its case to remove its battery will not invalidate the X5's warranty? Please state how much a replacement battery will cost *if* it won't invalidate its warranty?

 

@ goodvibes: if I'm not mistaken, your suggestion involves doing something which ordinarily end users are not expected to do, so again, are you 100% sure that replacing its battery won't invalidate its warranty? Also, when you say "buy a battery" - what exact battery please? Where can I buy it, when the day comes, and how much will it cost please? Are you 100% sure tthat opening its shell by an end user won't risk damaging it, even if it won't invalidate any warranty? And if you can't state what it (exactly what battery) will cost where I am then what will it cost where you are please? I'd be interested to know more please, and it does look like you know more than I can find. Thanks

 

Well, your posts are pretty useless. The design is finalized and that's what battery it will use. If you don't like that just don't buy it. Obviously Fiio can't cater to the needs and wants of all consumers. And as far as the replaceable battery goes - that's something that decided they don't want to use. Just like apple has been doing it for years - do you go on apple forums ranting about the non-replaceable battery of all their products? No one's complaining about their ipods and the battery and with the x5 it will be a lot easier for an average consumer to change the battery himself. As far as the warranty goes - just like all the other electronics of this type the X5 will probably have 1 year warranty, so you won't have any warranty to void by the time you have to replace the battery.

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:rolleyes:

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