iCAN Amp Review: A New Amp that Gives You More: More Bass, More Soundstage and More Detail - Page 4

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Nirmalanow 

Wow, what a great thrift shop find!

Tell me about it. Normally you read stories like this and think "Yeah, the guy is full of the proverbial".

I got it so cheap because the battery was dead and I don't think anyone figured it needed one. It had leaked a bit but being notionally leakproof (Duracel) it was not that bad...

Makes you wonder what particular chest this amazing chestnut came out of.

I sincerely hope it was from the estate of a fly guy who died at 95 shagging the tit's of a 18 Year old and not taken out of the poor hands of some fuddy daddy packed off by his kids into some rotten old peoples home so he'd be no bother and who then sold all his treasures cheap, I'd hate that, no matter how much I like bargains.

This set has been cared for incredibly well and the age bare shows!

Cheers Rich

Sneek for the triad :P

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Originally Posted by Aerocraft67 

 

By my reckoning, iCAN makes 260 mW into 300 Ω, same as Schiit's Magni and original Asgard. 

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What about 600 Ω?

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Originally Posted by Asylum Demon 

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Originally Posted by Aerocraft67 

 

By my reckoning, iCAN makes 260 mW into 300 Ω, same as Schiit's Magni and original Asgard. 

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What about 600 Ω?

My DT880 600 ohm runs just fine from my iCAN, sits about 11 oclock with off being abut 7 oclock.

I sold mine. I agree that the 3D technology is a worthwhile endeavor, with it the sound is much more open. Once you heard it is difficult to go back. That said, I found it surprising that some are driving the HE-6 with this amp. I guess the 400mV output no suprise here, it is more suitable for moderately efficient phones. While it still goes loud with phones of lower sensitivity, it is somewhat lacking in control, solidity and texture. I hope iFi would come up with a bolder amp with the same technology with higher output in the future. 

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Originally Posted by bbophead 

My DT880 600 ohm runs just fine from my iCAN, sits about 11 oclock with off being abut 7 oclock.

How do you think my DT990 600ohm will work with it? I'm fairly interested in it just want to make sure it'll have enough power and then some. Got a Creative Sound Blaster ZXR and it turned out I didn't research the output of it (says 80mW is what the card can put out, can't even do 50mW apparently, then didn't realize my 990's were 100mW, yea still learning heh). I'm nervous as to what amp I should get for this to get some great bass out of them without losing the clarity of the mids (softer non ear screeching highs would be nice) for my music/movies/games. Currently using a JVC RX-815V receiver to power them and it's great and all but it's already getting too hot in my room here.

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Originally Posted by Asylum Demon 

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Originally Posted by bbophead 

My DT880 600 ohm runs just fine from my iCAN, sits about 11 oclock with off being abut 7 oclock.

How do you think my DT990 600ohm will work with it? I'm fairly interested in it just want to make sure it'll have enough power and then some. Got a Creative Sound Blaster ZXR and it turned out I didn't research the output of it (says 80mW is what the card can put out, can't even do 50mW apparently, then didn't realize my 990's were 100mW, yea still learning heh). I'm nervous as to what amp I should get for this to get some great bass out of them without losing the clarity of the mids (softer non ear screeching highs would be nice) for my music/movies/games. Currently using a JVC RX-815V receiver to power them and it's great and all but it's already getting too hot in my room here.

I can't imagine the 990/600 being all that much different in power requirements than the 880/600.  I owned the 990 and had no problems but didn't have the iCAN at the time.  iFI doesn't give the power output for 600 ohms but does at 32 ohms, it's 400mW.  If it were me, I wouldn't worry although you might not need the Xbass feature since I found the 990/600 to have plenty of bass.

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Originally Posted by bbophead 

I can't imagine the 990/600 being all that much different in power requirements than the 880/600.  I owned the 990 and had no problems but didn't have the iCAN at the time.  iFI doesn't give the power output for 600 ohms but does at 32 ohms, it's 400mW.  If it were me, I wouldn't worry although you might not need the Xbass feature since I found the 990/600 to have plenty of bass.

Looks like they're both 100mW. I just want to make absolutely sure before making the decision to get one. Don't want to end up hearing less than what I do now on my receiver. Being a bass head and all it's important to feel everything.

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Originally Posted by Asylum Demon 

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Originally Posted by Aerocraft67 

 

By my reckoning, iCAN makes 260 mW into 300 Ω, same as Schiit's Magni and original Asgard. 

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What about 600 Ω?

Sorry, I found a spreadsheet error that rendered my calculation incorrect. I'm just using the formulas I found on the old nwavguy blog. iCAN specifies >400 mW into 32 Ω, which should work out to 3.6 Vrms. Assuming constant voltage, that's 43 mW into 300 Ω, not 260 mW, as I previously posted. At 600 Ω, we get 21 mW. Not pretending to understand all the theory and caveats here, just plugging and chugging. That puts iCAN's output power into 300 Ω below Head Box at 60 mW and above Dragonfly at 13 mW, for example. Also well above iDAC at 7.5 mW.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Aerocraft67 

Sorry, I found a spreadsheet error that rendered my calculation incorrect. I'm just using the formulas I found on the old nwavguy blog. iCAN specifies >400 mW into 32 Ω, which should work out to 3.6 Vrms. Assuming constant voltage, that's 43 mW into 300 Ω, not 260 mW, as I previously posted. At 600 Ω, we get 21 mW. Not pretending to understand all the theory and caveats here, just plugging and chugging. That puts iCAN's output power into 300 Ω below Head Box at 60 mW and above Dragonfly at 13 mW, for example. Also well above iDAC at 7.5 mW.

iFi specify 5V into loads of 600Ω or higher:

http://ifi-audio.com/en/iCAN.html (click on tech specs)

I know because iFi told me in their answer when I asked: "How comes your headphone amp can drive my Electrostatic Headphones that are supposed to need a speaker amp"...

They pointed out their amp did 5V from very low impedance, so it could do very well driving my battery box rated at 8V maximum. Their boffin wrote something that the difference between 5V and 8V is only 3dB, near the limit where people can tell difference in loudness, he wrote.

Not sure I followed that part. Surely 8V is nearly twice 5V so almost twice as loud, innit?

Past that, if I work this right 5V & 600Ω is 42mW, should be double for 300Ω right, but iFi don't specify for 300Ω, so we can't be sure.

Also, the iDAC is rated at 3.3V > 100Ω:

http://ifi-audio.com/en/iDAC.html

That should be 36mW for 300Ω for the iCAN if I get the math right.

So both should play much louder than what you get.

Certainly I have not found headphones yet the iCAN cannot drive to quite high levels, even some everyone says it cannot drive based on the numbers...

Maybe we are overlooking something or maybe all this numbers game is just a load of old bollocks?

Cheerio Rich

 

Probably much easier to ask the manufacturer for that information which they would have gained from measuring the actual results. It would be cool if somebody sold a small little electronic device with a built-in headphone jack that you could just plug into an amp and get those readings directly as well as the output impedance of the headphone jack.  I have wanted something like that on several occasions when looking at A/V and stereo receivers available locally for example.

Right, would certainly be better if the manufacturer specified all this information, rather than leaving us to hack at it with formulas we found on the internet. 

Sorry, again, for not looking down one more line item in the spec sheets. I just saw "output power" and stopped there. Using the voltage figs, I get what Rich gets for output into the higher loads. 

For what it's worth, this looks similar to the curve that Schiit specifies for its Magni and Asgard 2. That is, calculated voltage based on given output powers into different loads scales up from a baseline into 32 Ω load, up a bit into 50 Ω, up a bit more to 300 Ω then remains the same for 600 Ω. Which puts output power into 300 Ω double that of 600 Ω, as Rich said. 

Well I have mine on the way, will try it out whenever it gets here. If it can't seem to power my DT990's should I just get a Little Dot Mk III and call it a day? Or would there be something better? New to all of this and am having to learn on the fly heh.

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Originally Posted by Asylum Demon 

Well I have mine on the way, will try it out whenever it gets here. If it can't seem to power my DT990's should I just get a Little Dot Mk III and call it a day? Or would there be something better? New to all of this and am having to learn on the fly heh.

I see no problem.  Drives my 880/600 great.  You'll like the perks, too.  XBass and 3D.

Good decision.