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JDS Labs C5/C5D (pg96) portable amp/amp+DAC appreciation + discussion thread

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INFO:

http://www.jdslabs.com/products/70/c5-headphone-amplifier/

http://www.jdslabs.com/products/84/c5d-amplifier-dac/

 

 

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JDS Labs C5 Review:

 

I would like to thank John for sending me this engineering sample of the C5 for me to review. I will write as honest review as possible, all opinions expressed are my own, this is a subjective review from many hours of listening.

 

Gear used:

IPod Classic 160gb (rockboxed) – Silver LOD – C5 - Alclair Reference CIEM, Sunrise Audio Dragon2 earbuds

 

 

 

Packaging, accessories and build quality:

Packaging I cannot comment as I did not get proper retail packaging, but from others that received their amps after me it comes with a black box saying JDS Labs on it. Inside you will find the C5 sealed in an anti-static bag and a standard USB cable to charge it. Inside the anti-static bag you will also find 4 adhesive rubber feet for the amp, so it doesn’t slide when on a desk, or doesn’t scratch the back of your DAP when strapped together. I think to fully complete the package, they could include a short mini to mini cable, and maybe 2 amp straps would be a great extra.

 

Build quality is a strong point of JDS, the casing is machined aluminium, with a matte anodised finish, very smooth to the touch, the end plates are brushed aluminium with all ports very precisely cut and everything fits flush. They include laser engraving on their amps, and you can opt for custom artwork for no extra fee when ordering, a great customisation. Headphone jacks are tight and the on/off switch I very high quality. The bass boost toggle is plastic and doesn’t stick out much, which means that with everything plugged in it is not going to be accidently turned on or off. The volume control is digital, and flicks to both sides and coming back to central, like the old creative mp3 players used to have. You push the volume rocker in to change the gain from 2.3x to 6.5x, also the gain is not something that will be accidently pushed in when in your pocket so no worries about blowing your ears by accidently upping the gain.

 

 

 

Volume rocker, bass boost and battery:

As I mentioned earlier, the volume rocker is digital, and is controlled by Arduino code so it can be reprogrammed. The advantages of digital volume controls is no channel imbalance even at the lowest possible setting, and when implemented well work very well. I would say JDS have got it perfect, if you hold the volume rocker to volume up, it increases to full in a few seconds. But then each individual step is quite small so you can easily fine tune your listening volume (63 steps in total). It works really well for sensitive in-ears as you don’t suffer channel imbalance, but still has enough power for most full size cans.

 

The volume level is remembered every time you switch the amp off, so when you switch it back on it will be at the same volume from when you turned it off, which is also good and safe, no volume wheel accidently going up when turned off, and also means you don’t have to constantly search for your desired listening lever.

 

Bass boost is implemented at a 6db increase at 80 Hz, which is perfect for some and not so perfect for others, a common suggestion is to make a 3 way switch, say 3db and 6db increases. I think the bass boost if perfect for cans that slightly lack in the lows, or just normal cans for when you’re out and about for that extra fun. The great thing about the bass boost is that when on it doesn’t interfere a lot with the other frequencies, and it has this kind of theatre bass effect, not a big slam and lots of rumble, just quite a bit of added body and sounds like you’ve turned on a subwoofer in a home theatre setup. I really like this bass boost, and with earbuds or can slightly on the leaner side of things, it really adds to the sound.

 

Battery life is supposed to be around 14hrs, I have not tested this yet, but other users have had 11-13 hours real time use. The battery only takes around 2-3hrs to fully charge, and the amp can be used whilst being charged, and also the charging circuit cuts off supply to the battery once fully charged. So it will not damage the battery and it also means when fully charged you can run it off USB power purely without worrying about the battery.

 

 

 

Sound:

Ok so where to start, this is a pretty neutral amp, it was made to perform very well in objective tests and also to be transparent like a portable O2. Well they have done a great job, the sound is mainly on the transparent side like the O2 but I do sense that the C5 has slightly forward mids, the lows and highs are where they should be and everything sounds just right. The sound is very controlled, with quick recovery and attack, the lows are tight deep and impactful, and the highs airy and detailed. The C5 has a sort of intimate presentation but also spacious sound, the soundstage isn’t huge, a little larger than average but instruments are accurately placed in the soundstage. Overall the C5 is a fairly neutral and clean amp, with only slightly, and I mean very little, forward mids.

 

 

 

To give you a better understanding I will compare it to the JDS Labs O2 and C421 (AD8620).

 

Vs C421 (AD8620)

Well we have two quite different amps here, the C5 uses the OPA2227 and the C421 AD8620 op-amp. The C421 has more sibilance in the upper mids, and also details and nuances are more easily heard with the highs being more present and also slightly brighter. But the bass is not as tight and controlled as the C5, and also it sounds a little more congested even though it has a slightly wider soundstage. I think the C421 has a fuller sound, but more aggressive presentation, the C5 sounds a little inoffensive and laid back when compared to the C421, but the C5 sounds better overall as it is more controlled, natural and flat. The C421 is still a great amp and is very fun to listen to, but I prefer the accuracy of the C5, even if the presentation is a little more laid back.

 

 

 

Vs O2

Well the C5 was designed to be like the O2 only in a portable package, I must say when compared side to side they sound very close, but differences are still noticeable. The O2 is better overall, the soundstage is wider with a more spacious presentation, the C5 has quite an intimate presentation but airy sound at the same time.

 

 

 

Overall the C5 is a winner, with the digital volume being perfectly implemented and a great sound that is nearly as good as the O2. I have the O2 for home and C5 for portable, and am happy with both.

JDS Labs have excellent customer service, and the prices are very reasonable for the product, this amp can compete with amps below $300 easily. I look forward to future JDS Labs products.

 

JDS Labs C5D = C5 with DAC

 

With the new C5D JDS Labs have made the C5 a whole lot more versatile whilst keeping the same small profile. It now includes a DAC which works with Android, Apple devices (CCK required) and also Macs and PC's.

 

Usability wise it is almost the same as the C5 but has an extra Bass Boost level, which is around +6dB boost, so it now has a 3 way bass boost which is great as the +9dB original was too much for some headphones. The volume rocker is the same as is the input and outputs. Battery life is also similar with the C5 roughly 11-14 and C5D roughly 7-12 so not much of a difference.

 

The C5D comes with the same accessories too, charging cable and rubber feet. The paint job is slightly different, and feels a bit more premium. There is a charge/battery switch which allows you to charge the C5D as you listen to it or the battery which is good for on the go usage as you can use it without it draining your device.

 

Sound wise it is much alike the C5D, mainly neutral with a tad smoothness and warmth, you can use it as just an amp in the same way as the C5 but using the DAC it has no fixes line out, so I cannot comment on the sound of the DAC on it's own but as a combo it is great, a small portable package that powers my German Maestro GMP 400 fine, and sounds great with my Westone UM Pro30 giving them a little more control and detail than straight out of my Fiio X3. The mids are still wonderfully detailed and portrayed, the lows tight and with great extension, and the highs sparkly but never grainy or harsh.

 

It is an excellent all in one package for on the go and also stationary listening, great for those that want something they can use on the commute and in the office.

 

I cannot fault JDS Labs on their customer service (some of the best out there) and also their pricing on such amazing products, all JDS Labs products are very modestly priced for the quality and workmanship that goes into each one. Well done John and team!

 

Tracks used to compare amps:

Diana Krall - the Girl In The Other Room (FLAC)

Silverstein - Discovering the Waterfront (320kbps mp3)

 

 

 


Edited by ostewart - 4/29/14 at 9:23am
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Very interesting and much thinner than a tin! Any idea of price? I fear I may be on an amp tangent....

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Excited about this! I am still in the process of comparing a variety of amps to see which will be my final portable setup. This is definitely high on my list. Since this is replacing the c421, I don't think the price will go up at all or by much. I chatted with John a little while back and my impression was that since this was a replacement, there wasn't any big announcement about price. Just my impression though.

Thanks.

-Dan

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Also - per JDS's Facebook post, they are working on launching this when production is at 80% (they are at 50% now), which I believe is meant to avoid any delays in the initial batch of orders. Pre-ordering will open within 2 weeks.

 

-Dan

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Cant wait to see more info about it!
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Now you will see more head-fi'ers unloading the C421 to get ready for the C5.

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@DMinor - indeed, I actually just bought a c421 from a Head-fier. While I am excited about the C5, my gut is that there will be some nice deals on the c421 as some trade up. The big distinction seems to be in the volume control on the new model, and balance. Not entirely sure of all the changes yet though. 

Thanks.

-Dan

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@DMinor - indeed, I actually just bought a c421 from a Head-fier. While I am excited about the C5, my gut is that there will be some nice deals on the c421 as some trade up. The big distinction seems to be in the volume control on the new model, and balance. Not entirely sure of all the changes yet though. 

Thanks.

-Dan


The C5 will only come as one version, unlike the C421 with two versions to confuse buyers. LOL.

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John also said that the colour will be offered on the preorder then he will see which is most popular and go with that one. I would personally like matte black like the C421 black edition. The C421 is still a great amp so it will be interesting to see how this compares.
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It has only been 4 months since the All Black C421 was released, with black PCB and the 2 ohm output impedance as the main upgrade over previous version.

I jumped straight at it and think it is a great portable amp. I can't believe that it is already about to be superseded :-(

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Hi Gain,Bass Boost,Switch Off-On on the behind?

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Don't know yet, but LED looks to be on the front, which is great!

 

I wonder what op-amp it uses

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Don't know yet, but LED looks to be on the front, which is great!

 

I wonder what op-amp it uses


OPA2227 - same as the one I have in my All Black C421 :-)

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I have the AD8620, let's see if this takes it's place,I really enjoy the AD8620 sound

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