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FiiO E07K Andes Review

 

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Introduction:

The legend has returned. The FiiO E7 is one of the world's most famous budget DAC's and headphone amplifier. It skyrocketed FiiO to fame back when it came out. It was, and still is, on the lips of many new head-fi'ers as they come to look for a budget unit for their new setup. The E7 has aged in these last 2-3 years since it has been out, but now in 2012 and early 2013, the legend itself has returned. Updated and just as sleek and beautiful as the original was. I honestly can not think of another company that has been as major a brand of choice for a starter audiophile than FiiO. The E7 and FiiO has created and started more audiophiles than I can count. Let's take a look at it.

 

Please read the review here:

http://www.pandatechreview.com/fiio-e07k-review/

 

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Introduction Video:

 

How To Use Video:

 

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Build:

If you have ever held a(aluminum body) FiiO, then it should be self explanatory what the build of this little angel is. The aluminum is beautiful and sleek and highly well made. The edges meet incredibly well and its whole look is. It doesn't scratch easy and it doesn't scratch other things in your pockets easily*(if you don't throw many things in there). 

What else do you want? The front screen is a reflective piece of material, possibly glass with a plastic sheet over it.

 

It should be noted by perfectionists that this model I received does have some non perfection. The white headphone symbols on top for the two jacks are a bit of a faded white. Same with everything else. It isn't full blanche, but does it really matter? I don't think personally but I have heard some people ask me. The volume + and - signs in the circles are also off center by a fraction of a mili meter. I don't really mind in any sense but this is for the perfectionists.

 

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Screen Protector:

It comes with two screen protectors. You get to protect your screen but sadly it also has some issues. It is a generic screen protector and also large. The E07K's reflective screen area covers most of the front of the device. What you then get wtith a screen protector are peelings. The top and bottoms edges more or less peel away after a while and get dust underneath it. It looks quite ugly. The screen protector also dims and distorts the reflective screen. Women and men alike who want to use this as a mirror should note this. Without a screen protector, it works very well as a mirror.(see picture above)

 

After much time using it I have decided to not use the screen protector anymore. With 1 month of use and proper attachement of the screen protector, many parts are peeling already as dust gathers beneath it. The holding bands will also peel them up when I use my device. 

 

The E07K's beauty is also revealed without it. Now at approximately nearley a month's time with this device. I am choosing not to use it. "Whatever will be, will be, the futures not ours to see" -Que Sera, Sera

 

 

 

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Case:

You get a little nylon case as well, it does feel a bit baggy sometimes on it. I would say that the case prevents other items in your pockets from potentially getting hurt rather than drop damage. The case is very light and thin. Won't really protect against a fall. In my opinion, The ANDES looks beautiful without a screen protector and case. The secondary big lock style case is more of a travel case. Roomy enough to put an L9 in there with it.

 

You get a choice between protecting your E07K from your keys with the nylon case, but it reduces the E07K's attractive points by a full 100pts out of 150 in my opinion.(Bad Game joke by the way)

 

Accessory Replacement:

At the time of this writing, FiiO on their Facebook page has stated that they will offer(most?) accessories for free but that the user will need to pay freight charge. This is due to freight international being much much more expensive than that screen protector, leg peg, nylon case that was bought in bulk. Rejoice everyone. It will take 15-20 days from the looks of their estimate.

 

 

 

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Usability:

The Andes is a beautifully designed product that works very well as well. It's OS and EQ system is battle proven by the E17 to be a working formula and the additon of the LO Bypass switch and hold switch also make it even more useful. It is literally a down-spec'd E17. The standoff plastic legs that come with it also work very well as a standoff against the device you want to use it with as it prevents sliding and scratching of your smart phone or device. With a strap on the E07K, it can sometimes be hard to find where the up and down volume buttons are but it really isn't a big issue none the less. 

 

It is kinda hard for me to talk about Usability even more as its bottom dock has literally stayed the same for years and there is little to want to change about it. 

 

 

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Usability quirks:

The E07K is very well designed but it does have some quirks. The standoff plastic legs that come with it slide after a while(it leaves a glue trail) and thus your inner pocket dust bunnies and other material stick to it. Some people may have a quirk with this but I don't see it as a problem. Next the controls of the Andes are opposite side of the controls on the iPhone and other devices which are popularily used with FiiO's. Putting the E07K back to back with that device makes it so that the volume contrlols are opposite the original ones. This may help un confuse those that need to switch between E07K control and their smartphone. I found it weird but found no problem changing volume at all. My thumb does the job well enough. Like I already mentioned before, the screen protector peeling off is a distraction and lowers the beauty of the device. The controls also WILL confuse you for the first 2 weeks that you use it. You will continuously forget what is enter and what is exit and may be even get angry a few times but this is what the device is like. 

 

The ANDES and E7 both feature dual headphone outs but of course this has there own quircks. Some may not think about it but pairing a Q701 on one side and a IEM on the other when sharing is not a good idea. The power outputted is approx the same to both sides. With different driveability headphones, you either make it too quiet or too loud. This was a problem when I shared Apple Earpods and MH1C's with my cousin's. 

 


Testing:

This was tested with the FiiO E07K Andes, Audio-gd NFB 12.1, Miu Audio MRB, iPhone 4S, iPod Touch 2G, Macbook Pro. The equipment I have and could have used are in my profile page.

Some people prefer to listen to music at a very low volume. I see nothing wrong with that but for testing purposes some problems or highlights can only be unveiled at more "modern" listening levels in my opinion. These do not include blow your ear scream-o levels, but more like the type that isn't too loud but comfortable enough for most modern adults or teens.

 

Burn in:

Nothing detected be it that you believe in it on SS devices or brain burn in.

 

Power:

It has more or less the same amount of power as the E17. ~240mW @ 16 ohms.

 


Sound Section:

 

E07K as amp and DAC:

The E07K is a very smooth sounding device. That is all the truth to this device that I can possibly sum up in a few words.

 

The mids and vocals do take a spent back in presentation. They do not carry the weight or authority that an Audio-gd or Objective unit would give you with the vocals. To explain, I mean that the mids on the ANDES are very close to the bass. They don't come out to the front to present themselves as much as other units such as the MIU MRB or O2 would. 

 

The bass of the E07K is much more present in terms of authority and presentation than my testing units. Instead of seperate zones that are further apart on my test units that I am using as "reference" units for this review. The E07K brings the bass/low frequency regions presentation to be closer to the mids. They are also more loud and present. I have tested to make sure my switching between units is not accounting for this. They are also a bit boomy. Do not let the connotation of the word boomy in this niche area put you off. They are just more boomy compared to more perfected refernece units of this price point. The loose some of the huge punch but it is not unpleasant. IT is actually quite pleasant. I am a universal listener being both a treble head and a bass head. The universality of FiiO's sound has always been situated into it's bass and especially their bass boosting capabilitie(I am not using bass boost). 

 

The highs are a bit dulled off. This isn't bad, this is of course compared to my testing units. They will offer the user the sound that they want of course. Crisp. But I find that it just didn't deliver what I wanted for highs. Very bright highs are not a good thing of course. So these do protect the listeners ears. They are very good for the unit and price though.

 

Amp only with iPod lining out:

FiiO has always made devices that scream one thing. Universal sound. Their target group generally aren't the flat all you want type of people. I can see why. Some just don't like the more "accurate" sound of these "audiophile" products these days. When I get congestion, even I get a affinity for other things. The E07K builds off FiiO's already well known formula of universality. 

 

The ANDES is warm/sweet/fun. These words are audio jargon that can mean different things to different people. What I mean by them is that the sound it produces is very comfortable to the average consumer. Not overly analytical,fatiguing, metalic, bass-shy. Headphones GENERALLY with those qualities are not considered warm/sweet/fun. The E07K does a good job of not overly amplifying the fatiguing elements of a song. Of course this is all comparative but I personally say that it is more song friendly than a majority of amps.(consumer market in cheap products)

The bass as with the Alpen I had and the E02i and E5 are all different but their principle behind them are very parallel. A bass induced phenomenon of wonder and hit. Some songs just don't sound good with a highly controlled bass hit. The HFI 580 headphone for example suffers from this. When it is paired with an amp that has a weak bass responce(for any technical reason or another) or one who's bass is highly controlled it suffers immensely. The bass on all of FiiO's units I have heard fix that by not going to any extreme formula of sloppy car sub or amnetic bass.

 

Andes mids are very controlled. They don't spread across the spectrum(in a good or bad way). It is in a solid spot in my opinion. I personally feel it to be a bit too constrained compared to what I usually listen to on my desktop but it does offer a very front but slightly laid back vocal. I find that while the vocals are slightly more forward, it doesn't fully make you feel the need to be engaged(could be bad or good). 

 

The highs are very controlled. Nothing too out of place or too bright. I would lean towards a more lack of a sparkle for most cases. This is of course comparing to a O2 which will serve as a middle ground. But that lack of a sparkle that I find isn't really a con for most. It already does extremely well.

 


Conclusion:

I find that no matter what fault I have been trying to find with FiiOs recent devices. The price point they offer it at leaves me little to go off on. The majority of my main criticisms of this device would be in the accessories of this device. They come with a boat load but some of them just don't seem to go well. Some feel hapsidasily thrown in. But even if it feels like they were, they still have little fault in it. The screen protector has peeling problems due to the large area it must cover and how often the user's fingers or objects are near that area. The furry cloth case also seems a bit counter intuitive. It features a loose fit, is big, and while it can be used for storage or travelling, seems not not be needed. This is a portable/travel device of course. 

 

FiiO has done it again I would say. I never had the original E7 but with the way this device sounds and can be used for the price, I have much to like about it. It is an extremely well built and beautiful device and sounds great. It is available for the same price as the original E7 was officially available for. The legend has returned with new features, a new more modern look and usage and it sounds great.

 

Thank you everyone for 150,000 views 

 

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Ratings:

Audio Sonic quality: 9/10

Features: 9/10

Build:10/10

Usability: 8.5/10

Value: 9.5/10

 

 

Specifications:

Output Power =242m@ @ 16 Ohms

Peak Output Current=64mA

Battery Life=20 hours

Charge time=180 minutes

Weight=27g

Output impendence=.25ohms @ 16ohms loaded

Op amps: AD8692 and TI TPA6130A

DAC=WM8740

Sample Rate max=24bit/96KHz

USB receiver=TI PCM2706


Edited by bowei006 - 2/23/14 at 10:21pm
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FiiO devices are some of the most popular things on Head-Fi. I have been asked many repeat questions so I thought to make a Q and A section for them. All questions will be updated with updated answers if a user brings up something that isn't in them.


General Questions

 

The answers for these are for basic to advanced principle usages. The idea of how much "it matters" is much different for the very expensive hobbyists. This is mainly for the regular users and not the summit-fi/hi-end ones as their principles are different. I put my stuff into simple terms and ideas that may arouse a bit of chagrin from more advanced users but please understand these are to set the foundation.

 

I have Headphones X, Y, Z. Do you think the Andes/Alpen/Unit X will help it?

 

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This is a very common question. My analogy for you would be. Say you are going to go ski-ing. You know nearly nothing about it. I then ask you if you think narrower ski's or shorter ski's or wider one's fit you. Or would a snowboard do better. And if so, what style of them would you choose. What brand and features?

 

You would probably think one thing. You don't know and that you would need to test it out.

 

This is the same thing. Yes, they will give you an "improvement" but that improvement can not be heard by some without practice and some may not think it is worth it. As we get more and more expensive equipment, a few things remains. Happiness and the ability to buy it. People up in the spectrum buy $10,000 units because it enahnces their headphones they love and what not. It isn't day and night type of differences but to them it is worth it and their experience says so.

 

Answering this question is hard because this is a niche hobby. There are many stores in the U.S with headphones and some headphone amps but they are so spread out. Testing is hard if not impossible for many.

 

So I can't answer that. Even if you were to ask if your (hard to drive headphone) were to benefit from it I can not truly know. Some may like it quiet and or may not really care for the difference.

 

Sadly, the only way to find out is to read up and take a swing/leap of faith if you truly want to find out.

 

I personally use an amp even with $50 headphones because I like the smoother sound but to others, it isn't worth it. 

 

 

What is a DAC and amp?

 

Answer: (Click to show)

 

What is the difference between lossy and lossless? Does it matter?

 

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What is a LOD and do I need one? If so, which devices can use one?

 

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Digital Coaxil or USB or optical? What should I use and why? Does it matter?

 

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What does it mean when a headphone "gains" from amping or is hard to drive?

Answer: (Click to show)

 


 

What is the comparability with this device as a DAC?

 

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It has been confirmed to work with the U.S variant of the Galaxy S3. Firmware is important and the correct procedure of pluggin in the E07K last is needed to work.

 

IT has been confirmed to work with the iPad through CCK.

 

It has been said that Nokia N8 will not work with it.

 

 

YOUR results WILL vary depending on region, how you use it, if you have the correct software/firmware/OS, and if you do it correctly. 

 

This is not an official feature and my findings above are only from others in this thread, not something I personally tried. These are user solicited answers for compatability. 

 

I hold hold no responsibility for it not working in your region or if you do not have proper software and this is not an official feature of the E07K that FiiO endorses. 

 

Battery usage and procedure

Correct Panda Battery Procedure: (Click to show)

 

Correct Panda Battery Procedure:

When the device is in use, do not use USB charge. Turn it off. When the E17/E07K is on it's final bar of battery, turn USB charge(or the USB cable) on and charge it to full. And then unplug or turn off USB charge and use until you are on your last bar of battery left. When you see the bars reduce to one, it would be best to start charging(sometimes you are out, and you can't, that's understandable, a few times won't hurt). Li-ion batteries like the one's found the in the FiiO E17 Alpen's don't react well to a full cycle of charge and FULLY de charge until the battery is dead. This has been proven to be actually bad to the life of li-ioin batteries. HOWEVER., you should do a full cycle where you fully charge up the device and use it all the way until the device automatically turns off ONCE every month or two as that has been shown to actually be good for the battery WHETHER you use it constantly or not. Do not fear my friend, even if USB charge is turned off when the device "dies" it will still charge after it runs out of power naturally as the E17/E07K's firmware will reset!

 

Li-ION batteris on general will last effectively 1000 complete charges before battery drops below about ~70% of the original storage. This is still acceptable by most consumers standards.

 

20 hours full battery life * 1000 effective uses =20,000 hours / 24 hours a day = 833 days theoretically before the E07K under theoretical conditions will decrease to 70% of its original storage life and this is with a full depletion and then charge cycle. And that is 24 hour usage as well.

 

FiiO currently reports that they will send replacement parts for a very low price. The battery is not that hard to user replace(but not under warranty). 

 

Partial charges for Li-ION's are better but of course constantly doing partial ones has also been reported to have an effect on the device as well which is why I recommend to charge before all power is gone and to charge till full.

 

The last point to make is that you can't use a device if you keep on babying it. Using a device and enjoying it is part of that batteries intent and life cycle. Honeslty, ANYTHING you do to it will have an effect on battery life. The majority of the time, it is a minute effect to something like an audio device. (This advice does not hold for Power Wheels, those buggers need proper battery handling). Enjoy the device, theoretically it will hold up well for many years.

 

 

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_performance_as_a_function_of_cycling

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

 

Disclaimer: I am not an expert on batteries. I am self taught. Please correct me if something is wrong. But use sources and not just something your papa or person told you to always do.

 

 

Where do/should I buy my FiiO:

 

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Authorized dealer is best place to buy. FiiO's website has the complete list.

 

http://fiio.net/where/index.aspx

 

Authorized dealer makes sure that you get a legit item, and if the item has any problems, that company has to help you within it's certain number of days (as opposed to ebay). And FiiO's official warranty ToS states that they will only support stuff from authorized dealers. (more on this later,)

 

Buy from an authorized dealer that is in your country or near your country(for example, if in EU, any country nearest to you in it is fine) as this makes sure that if you get a faulty product, returning/exchanging and support will be quick. If all options fail. MP4nation is still availble and have free international shipping. Only problem is that the back and forth time with them may take about a month and so FiiO said they don't recommend taking that route first.

 

FiiO's ToS stated that they will not support stuff from un authorized dealers. But their CEO, James which is Feiao here on Head-Fi. Has said that it is just business talk. FiiO gives support to anyone with a FiiO so rest assured if you have a device that wasn't purchased from one. I got a FiiO from dealextreme back when I first got my FiiO and they supported me quite well.

 

All this info above is data that FiiO have stated as of this date today of writing. Any of it is subject to change. I am just playing back info that James and rep's from FiiO have stated in the past on company procedure and what they prefer. It is subject to change with official ToS rules that FiiO has on support and sales.

 

Many authorized dealers have same price and free shipping. Micca Store in the U.S is recommended as they are a near full FiiO distro(with near all FiiO merchandise) and free U.S shipping.

 

 

Device not responding:

 

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Press and hold the rest button at top with a pen tip. The E17 and E07K units are complicated firmware devices. Whilst other audio devices use physical knobs and switches or a simple screen, these units need to pull more wait. Glitches and freezing or not turning on has and does happen every now and then or not at all. The usual solutions are plugging them into a computer with USB and then trying the power button. Or waiting a bit and then pressing and holding the power button for a bit. Combinations of these are recommended. The biggest culprit of this problem is that the HOLD switch is engaged. Check that no orange is showing as that means that HOLD is on.

 

 

Device won't turn on:

 

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Make sure it was charged and make sure the hold switch is in the upper position where the orange is not showing.

 

For not responding issues, please see above.

 

Why are you so awesome?:

 

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I just am. It's my Panda blood.

 

 

I can't get 192KHz/96KHz?:

 

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E07K only supports 96KHz over USB on Windows and Mac computers. Linux users need to do their own troubleshooting.

 

E17 only supports 192 KHz sampling rate over S/PDIF. Your motherboard S/PDIF output specs need to also support it. Make sure you are using the S/PDIF interface and the device is set to "COX" or "OPT". Your computer also needs to support 192KHz for S/PDIF. Updating audio driver may help

 

 

I think I have everything setup. But no audio is comming out?:

 

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Follow these steps to diagnose:
  1. Unplug device from computer if not already done so. We will start from beginning.
  2. Plug E17/E07K in with USB. Check to see that the computer detects it. Either by a pop sound or whatever
  3. Go to the volume icon on the PC and right click and click "playback devices"
  4. find the E07K Andes. Righ click and set as default device. Click ok or apply.
  5. Try to play audio with iTunes or youtube. If it works and E07K sends audio out to your headphones. It means you did something wrong with your player of choice(Winamp/Foobar) or video or audio player. 
  6. If it doesn't work. Please see if any other questions apply to you. If not. Please ask.

 

 

I want to setup output of "X" KHz:

Answer: (Click to show)

Windows:

http://youtu.be/axAewk-qFGw?t=4m25s

 

Mac:

http://youtu.be/axAewk-qFGw?t=5m33s

This video works for both E07K and E17

 

How to get Foobar Settings for X KHz and X Bit Rate:

Answer: (Click to show)

 

  1. Go to your bottom start bar. See the volume icon?
  2. Right click and go to "playback devices"
  3. See the Device ___name__? Right click "Properties" 
  4. Make sure Use This Device enable is on
  5. Check all the supported formats from 44.1 to 192KHz(this depends on device and input method, do not check one you are not supporting) , nothing over or below, don't check encoded formats any of them
  6. make sure your levels are at 100
  7. Disable ALL ENHANCEMENTS (do IT) no ENHANCEMENTS
  8. In Default Format, choose the setting you want. Keep in mind the support you get from device and input method
  9. Check both Exclusive Mode's if they aren't checked.

 

  1. Now open up Foobar
  2. Go to the preferences menu by hitting 'Ctrl+P' or finding it under 'file'
  3. Go to the 'Playback' tab and go under to 'Output'. Under 'Device'. Choose your device. 
  4. Then in 'Output Format' of the same sub tab. Choose your output data format. Don't touch anything else.
  5. Then find 'Advanced' on the side tabs again. Click it
  6. Find 'Decoding'. And open up the drop down sub tabs. Find the Tone/Sweep Sample Rate. And type in the KHz you had Windows also set to. 48000 for 48KHz and 192000 for 192KHz and so on so forth for the rest.

 

Now sing the panda song. Panda Panda Panda, you are the best, panda panda, you shall get a check, panda panda panda, 

 

 


 

Power and Menu button not too responsive?:

 

Answer: (Click to show)

 

The E17/E07K requires not a large but a decent amount of pressure for the Power/EXIT and MENU buttons to operate. The force needed is not large and is only noticeable when turning on or off the unit or when exiting/going back a screen with the power button. As it may seem unresponsive when you do it lightly.

 

For all other power on problems, see above on not being responsive

 

 

Hearing hiss and this click-click-click sound?:

 

Answer: (Click to show)

 

The solution below is for E17 users. This has not been a problem that is normal for E07K users. If you are an E07K user and your symptoms do not match below, then please ask ahead.

It seems this is a problem due to the digital volume stepper and is normal for it's implementation. This will usually not happen on 0 gain, but depending on use and headphones/earbuds it may. To fix this, make sure music is not playing and make sure you can not even play the music in case you hit something by accident. Then quickly raise the volume. After a while it should go away, or if it doesn't, wait for a bit. The hiss and clicking sound should now go away. You should now decrease volume to where you were before and continue listening. This is a problem mainly for the harder to drive can's and even then you would usually only hear it when music is not playing.

 

 

 

The unit does not raise or lower the volume the first time I hit the buttons?:

 

Answer: (Click to show)

This is built into the E07K/E17's system or code. Where it would want you to hit it twice after a set period of inactivity. This is pre programed in. After X seconds of in activies, it requires one press before the volume will go up and down.

 

 

This device is taking forever to charge!?:

 

Answer: (Click to show)

Depending on where you are charging the E17, be it from your computer or a wall charger will have different speeds of charging. Some computers have low power USB ports that only send out a small amount of power and thus would cause a very slow charge. If your computer has a fast or high powered USB port, then you can use those for a faster charge. Wall chargers can also be used. FiiO recommends to use high quality USB wall chargers like the one's Apple make's. Buying a cheap one off a site would work but is not recommended. Spending a bit more(very small amount more) to ensure the quality of that wall charger is recommended. Keep in mind the faster the charge, technically the worse it is for the batter. How much worse is very very minimal, so please continue to charge or use it as is.

 

 

This device has a rattle?:

 

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This is an issue for some E17 units. No such behavior has been exhibited by E07K's as a common issue. Please ask if there is one if you have an ANDES.

 

It has not been widely confirmed but it seems this is attributed to the LO bypass switch. There is a part in there that can not be secured down and thus is causing the rattle. Again this has not been confirmed to be the true source of the sound yet, but does seem to be likely.

 

 

 

THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, I ADD CONTENT AS THEY ARE ASKED.


Edited by bowei006 - 5/24/13 at 5:37pm
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Very nice posts Mr. Panda :)

Do you think these properly power your Q701s?

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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

Very nice posts Mr. Panda :)

Do you think these properly power your Q701s?

That is a question for each and every one person. 

 

Some don't like to listen too loudly while others do. For example on the E17, some drove it on 6dB at 30volume and called it enough. I drove it at 12dB with 45-50 volume and still wanted more on the E17. So there is that problem. The Output power of the E17 and E70K are pretty close with the E17 having a bit more but the output current which matters a bit more is about 30% higher on the E17 from the numbers.

 

So yes, to be or not to be, that is the question. 

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So yet another update to the E7!

It looks gorgeous ;)

 

So how is this supposed to fare compared to the E17, considering the DAC seems to have been upgraded and all other ports seem present.

AND TWO HEADPHONE JACKS?! Can they be used simultaneously like the E9?

 

The E17 (those that say ALPEN on the back, rather than E17) has the FiiO developed headphone jacks too. The original units had problems with the headphone jack thus FiiO fixed it. Yeah they're really tight, but you can get a nice hold and good stereo without even fully inserting the plug (~1mm left, where it would really click in and hold tight).


Edited by kalbee - 11/30/12 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by kalbee View Post

So yet another update to the E7!

It looks gorgeous ;)

 

So how is this supposed to fare compared to the E17, considering the DAC seems to have been upgraded and all other ports seem present.

AND TWO HEADPHONE JACKS?! Can they be used simultaneously like the E9?

 

The E17 (those that say ALPEN on the back, rather than E17) has the FiiO developed headphone jacks too. The original units had problems with the headphone jack thus FiiO fixed it. Yeah they're really tight, but you can get a nice hold and good stereo without even fully inserting the plug (~1mm left, where it would really click in and hold tight).

The E7 didn't have an update? The E17 is another series. The E07K is a direct replacement in the $100 price bracket. The E7 used to be in that price bracket in case anyone is wondering.

 

How IS it supposed to fair. Well FiiO is working on a 3 product per section strategy where each of their "sections" (portable amp, portable DAC and amp, DAC and amp) will have a device in 3 seperate price ranges for consuumers to choose from.

 

The DAC has not been upgraded. All FiiO DAC's as of right now in their active products of the E10 Olympus, E17 ALPEN, E7, and E70K use the Wolfson WM8740.

 

Yes they can be used at the same time. They were made to share. And share they do pretty well. 

 

FiiO if I recall correctly added an update ot the E17 after batch 1 (or 2 depending on what you call a batch) (the ones that say ALPEN) that gave it an updated headphone jack but the one on the E70K is literally the NEW ONE that they spent lots of money implementing. 

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The E7 didn't have an update? The E17 is another series. The E07K is a direct replacement in the $100 price bracket. The E7 used to be in that price bracket in case anyone is wondering.

 

How IS it supposed to fair. Well FiiO is working on a 3 product per section strategy where each of their "sections" (portable amp, portable DAC and amp, DAC and amp) will have a device in 3 seperate price ranges for consuumers to choose from.

 

The DAC has not been upgraded. All FiiO DAC's as of right now in their active products of the E10 Olympus, E17 ALPEN, E7, and E70K use the Wolfson WM8740.

 

Yes they can be used at the same time. They were made to share. And share they do pretty well. 

 

FiiO if I recall correctly added an update ot the E17 after batch 1 (or 2 depending on what you call a batch) (the ones that say ALPEN) that gave it an updated headphone jack but the one on the E70K is literally the NEW ONE that they spent lots of money implementing. 


Oh... I thought there was a E07something at some point, since I remember not being able to find "E7" as-is in audio stores in Canada, while finding something along the lines of E07something.

 

Fare != Fair. It used to be said the E17 is like an upgraded E7. Does this rough statement still stand?

 

Oh... then I guess what changed is the implementation? Considering they did mention the sampling rate went from 48/16 to 96/24.

 

/wants dual inputs outputs :<

 

Ah, okay. Thanks for the update :D

 

**edit**

ugh I wrote input instead of output.


Edited by kalbee - 11/30/12 at 11:31pm
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Oh... I thought there was a E07something at some point, since I remember not being able to find "E7" as-is in audio stores in Canada, while finding something along the lines of E07something.

 

Fare != Fair. It used to be said the E17 is like an upgraded E7. Does this rough statement still stand?

 

Oh... then I guess what changed is the implementation? Considering they did mention the sampling rate went from 48/16 to 96/24.

 

/wants dual inputs :<

 

Ah, okay. Thanks for the update :D

Nope.

 

Yes I believe. Because upgrade means and improvement and not a direct replacement. The E07K is the E7's direct replacement.

 

I do not know. Nobody knows except them if they changed it but considering the 96KHz input and new chips and sofware, it would be hard to just drag and drop E7 chips into the new unit so yes, I would say or guess that they redesigned it. One can only really tell if a product is implemented badly. Otherwise, for all other implementations, it is hard to tell apart. Basically either it works or is just terrible. Most of the time in head-fi, it works and thus this is where reviews come in to differentiate between units.

 

New TI chip for USB decoding.

 

You do. It DOES have dual inputs. AUX in and USB in. I know what you mean though. S/PDIF. Or could you have meant audio going seperately through each headphone jack.

 

The battery is OVER 20% larger in the E70K as compared to E7 but the run time went from 80 hours to approx 24-20. 

 

All final interpretation on if it is an upgrade or not and their implementation is up to them. All my statements are my guesswork itself and not a reflecton of what FiiO has told me. (I never asked about those)


Edited by bowei006 - 11/30/12 at 11:11pm
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I haven't learned much about the hardware inside yet, but given how E07k works, I'll guess FiiO is using the same DAC section (well, more precisely, they upgraded the PCM270x chip to the something that is capable of 24/96, but still keeping the WM8740)) and volume control (which is what doing the EQ) from E17. The main difference are that the E17 still have S/PDIF input and AD8397 (E07k use a different opamp). My early RMAA test shows E07k to be quite excellent and worthy as an upgrade over the original E7.


Edited by ClieOS - 11/30/12 at 11:35pm
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Thanks :D

 

And yeah, sorry I meant to say dual output (i.e. headphone jacks). But having each jack output each source would indeed be awesome too (or be able to output both sources from one jack), though that's into the realms for actually having two amps, or not even amp business anymore.

 

Alright I'll wait till you actually post your write-up xP

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Video of ANDES on Youtube  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVoRHfxI-tI

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I wish I had known about this before buying the E17. I only needed something for my iPod Classic and this would have done all that I needed without the E17 price and with quicker charging and longer run time frown.gif
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Great! I was about to post my video as well
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This WILL be my first DAC/AMP.  It is great to see the upgrades it has on the original E7. 

 

Can't wait to get it.  It will be used along with my laptop that is AWFUL for listening to music because of noise and overall crappy sound.

 

I will also be using it along with my iPod Nano, that does fine with some headphones, but needs more amps for others.  It will also be nice to control the L-R balance.

As a few of my sets seem to be slightly off center.

 

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This WILL be my first DAC/AMP.  It is great to see the upgrades it has on the original E7. 

Can't wait to get it.  It will be used along with my laptop that is AWFUL for listening to music because of noise and overall crappy sound.

I will also be using it along with my iPod Nano, that does fine with some headphones, but needs more amps for others.  It will also be nice to control the L-R balance.
As a few of my sets seem to be slightly off center.

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I detect noise on a majority of my IEMs. Sorry. They are all 16 ohms and over.

It may be your ears or placement or seal.
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