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Battle Of The Flagships (58 Headphones Compared)
Jan 22, 2013 at 7:09 AM Post #2,521 of 5,854
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I wrote this in another thread and thought it was worth repeating here.
 
 
Funny, I got the HD800s and liked them, then the Th900s and others convinced me they were better, but then I keep coming back to the HD800s for their honesty in the long run.
The HD800s have stood the test of time and were not just a fling, seeming to have the least coloration or euphony or  easily identifiable signature like the Fostexes or, say, Audeze.
So I keep reaching for the Sennheisers for truth-in-sound, as a matter of trust, and of course, musical enjoyment.
I'm hearing the real thing, with no surprises.
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That's essentially how I feel about the HD800 too.  I'm not sure I could ever call em my favorite, but I use them a lot for the fact that they seem uncolored to my ears.  I know a few posts down someone may post a graph to demonstrate how they're colored while headphone X is much more balanced, but to me that's how my ears perceive them.
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It's telling that people who've spent some time with the HD800 and built adequate systems around it echo this sentiment. It's also telling that the ones presenting contrary views have little experience with the headphone and often do not disclose the ancillary components.
 
Fwiw, I agree with you and rgs9200m. I've just parted with my HD800 but I will own them again. I know where my end game is.
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 7:28 AM Post #2,522 of 5,854
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It's telling that people who've spent some time with the HD800 and built adequate systems around it echo this sentiment. It's also telling that the ones presenting contrary views have little experience with the headphone and often do not disclose the ancillary components.
 
Fwiw, I agree with you and rgs9200m. I've just parted with my HD800 but I will own them again. I know where my end game is.
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Are you going the speaker route for a change? Thought you were in love with the Senns. I'm gonna give them ago, just have too!
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 11:02 AM Post #2,523 of 5,854
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Would Beyerdynamic T1 be a good complimentary headphone to LCD-2?
My thinking is T1 would give more spacious, faster and more energetic sound while LCD-2 would provide the smaller intimate soundstage and heavier but slower sound that is tilted toward bass.
...the kinds of music I am not fully satisfied with, with my LCD-2.2, meaning spacious electronic music and spacious soundtracks like "The Dark Knight", "Tron" or more known "Star Wars".
 
The T1 is a totally different sound from the LCD-2 so I think it's a fine alternate phone.  I'm not sure it's necessarily faster than the the LCD-2 (rev 2), but its more aggressive and it has a sound that feels more immediate and "contrasty".... like if you were to take a photo, the LCD-2 would be a more even toned (perhaps slightly more true-to-life) colorization, but a little bit deader than the more exciting contrasts you can get when tampering with the contrast of a photo.  The LCD-2 is a bit on the darker side, and I would venture to say that the T1 has a hint of extra brightness to it's overall flavor.  It's not as smooth or as transparent as the LCD-2 though.  I think its a good pick though for a complement headphone.
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David, thank you for your answer.
Some people recommended HE400 to me over T1 for the music (my preference is above) I want to listen on them. Which one would you recommend to me? Or maybe an entirely different headphone would perform better for this type of music? Thank you.
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM Post #2,524 of 5,854
I just stepped into the Audiophile world about a month ago.. Saw this thread in my introductory message from CurraWong.. read most of its entirety.. and realized what I've been missing my whole life. I thought I appreciated music. But now I know that I'm just an infant finally ready to appreciate the way music was intended to be appreciated.

I'm in just awe of the work and time and thought that was put into this evaluation. My favorite quote: "[size=x-small]However, whereas the HD650 carries the impact of a boxing glove jab, the RS2 feels more like a raw closed-fist punch to the face.[/size]"

Just sheer awe. Thanks DavidMahler for your contributions man....I really really appreciate the reviews. I can't wait to delve further into this new world. XD (so excited)
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM Post #2,525 of 5,854
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 I can't wait to delve further into this new world. XD (so excited)
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Welcome to Head-fi, sorry about your wallet!
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 1:47 PM Post #2,526 of 5,854
Jan 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM Post #2,527 of 5,854
Again sorry for repeating my post from another thread, the HD800 appreciation one (I normally avoid this), but I just wanted to say this here as a follow-up to my earlier HD800 comments here...
 
Lately, after experience (very good experience) with other flagship phones, dynamic and stats, I have returned to the HD800s (3 years of ownership) as primary phones.
After tweaking my system slightly to avoid things that could make it extra bright, the HD800s now give me supreme musical enjoyment where I can't stop listening to them.
And this is on strong, brash music (all sorts of rock and pop from the past 5 decades) along with some other types.
The are great for what they don't do:
The HD800s are honest but are not grainy and do not seem to have any artifice. And they don't muddle things at any frequency. They don't pump up the bass. 
They aren't too liquid or syrupy and they aren't too dry. They don't have too-sharp image boundaries--the images blend to the surroundings to just the right amount.
So these are basically the results after a 3 year test, so I think that's significant.
 
I basically don't notice audiophile characteristics like detail, staging, depth, width, definition, warmth, bass depth, silkiness, out-of-head imaging or anything when
I listen, I just feel a great intimacy with the music and groove to it and let the good times roll. I don't find myself thinking that some aspect of the sound could or should be better or that anything is painful. And for me, that's the ultimate test.
 
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM Post #2,528 of 5,854
David,
 
do you think HD800 are worth considering as a complement to my LCD-2 rev2? I am waiting for your review of rev2 version since your graph is very similar to mine but...
 
... I wonder whether the 3D soundstaging and imaging ability of HD800 could be worth 1200 USD if I listen to modern pop/rock/metal primarily. I know I am going to prefer LCD-2 for their FR and forgiving nature but not as interested in upgrading to LCD-3 right now since I can have LCD-2 rev2 and HD800 for the same price in reality (and HD800 should have a lot better soundstage and imaging + LCD-2 rev2 should at the same time sound more "hard'n'heavy", than LCD-3).
 
Thank you very much!
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM Post #2,529 of 5,854
^ get T1 
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Jan 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM Post #2,530 of 5,854
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dubstep girl said:
^ get T1 
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Well, I am not interested in T1 to be honest since their measurements are not as impressive as of HD800... I am perfectly satisfied with LCD-2's frequency response so I would only consider a technically EXCELLENT dynamic headphone to completement them. HD800 look like the only affordable option right now.
 
The question is whether I should give them a try or not since I am not a huge fan of classical or jazz. I like modern music (pop/rock/metal) the most (about 95 % of my music library).
 
Thanks anyway!
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Jan 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM Post #2,531 of 5,854
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Well, I am not interested in T1 to be honest since their measurements are not as impressive as of HD800... I am perfectly satisfied with LCD-2's frequency response so I would only consider a technically EXCELLENT dynamic headphone to completement them. HD800 look like the only affordable option right now.
 
The question is whether I should give them a try or not since I am not a huge fan of classical or jazz. I like modern music (pop/rock/metal) the most (about 95 % of my music library).
 
Thanks anyway!
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That's the question I hope to resolve at the Austin Head-Fi meet. HD800 is a remarkable headphone but it would be nice to find a complementary match just for fun. I'm pretty firmly set on the LCD-2 rev.2 or Grado PS1000 fulfilling that wish.
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM Post #2,532 of 5,854
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nick dangerous said:
 
That's the question I hope to resolve at the Austin Head-Fi meet. HD800 is a remarkable headphone but it would be nice to find a complementary match just for fun. I'm pretty firmly set on the LCD-2 rev.2 or Grado PS1000 fulfilling that wish.
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Even though LCD-2 rev2 are VERY enjoyable headphones, they are not only a FUN (/ coloured) headphone... I actually find them pretty balanced across the spectrum, including treble. I wasn't wowed by them at first listen but noticed the balance and serious (I mean high fidelity, not analytical) performance immediately. They keep growing on me every day.
 
So not sure if you find them suitable if searching for a completely FUN headphone... But for NATURAL sound, they have my highest recommendation. Bass, mids, treble - all very natural-sounding.
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Jan 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM Post #2,533 of 5,854
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rusta said:
David,
 
do you think HD800 are worth considering as a complement to my LCD-2 rev2? I am waiting for your review of rev2 version since your graph is very similar to mine but...
 
... I wonder whether the 3D soundstaging and imaging ability of HD800 could be worth 1200 USD if I listen to modern pop/rock/metal primarily. I know I am going to prefer LCD-2 for their FR and forgiving nature but not as interested in upgrading to LCD-3 right now since I can have LCD-2 rev2 and HD800 for the same price in reality (and HD800 should have a lot better soundstage and imaging + LCD-2 rev2 should at the same time sound more "hard'n'heavy", than LCD-3).
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I'm not David, of course, but I will chime in here. If I didn't listen to a lot of classical and jazz, I wouldn't own the HD800. Regardless of amp and source -- and I've tried a lot -- I never find myself enjoying rock and metal as much with the HD800 as I do with the LCD-3 (and as I did with the LCD-2.2, for that matter). The exception here might be extremely well produced progressive metal (something like, say, Octopus by Amplifier) where the superior 2D imaging of the HD800 makes them an equal choice to the more visceral LCD-3.
 
That's just one opinion, and I know lots of folks that use the HD800 as their only can. But to me, it's a specialist for large-scale symphonic classical and European jazz, while the LCD-3 often gets the nod for chamber music, bebop and rock/metal. (Still no idea where the SR-009 fits into this. Too new to me.)
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 6:14 PM Post #2,534 of 5,854
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olias of sunhillow said:
 
I'm not David, of course, but I will chime in here. If I didn't listen to a lot of classical and jazz, I wouldn't own the HD800. Regardless of amp and source -- and I've tried a lot -- I never find myself enjoying rock and metal as much with the HD800 as I do with the LCD-3 (and as I did with the LCD-2.2, for that matter). The exception here might be extremely well produced progressive metal (something like, say, Octopus by Amplifier) where the superior 2D imaging of the HD800 makes them an equal choice to the more visceral LCD-3.
 
That's just one opinion, and I know lots of folks that use the HD800 as their only can. But to me, it's a specialist for large-scale symphonic classical and European jazz, while the LCD-3 often gets the nod for chamber music, bebop and rock/metal. (Still no idea where the SR-009 fits into this. Too new to me.)
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Thanks for your opinion! I am considering LCD-3 as well but their price is extremely high, especially if I can have HD800 for almost half their price (new). HD800 should have significantly better soundstage and imaging - according to David's opinion as well. And that's what I am searching for - for the most holographic experience I can get with headphones (for affordable money).
 
If LCD-3 cost around 1500USD, I would most probably get them (as my only pair of headphones)... But 2000USD is too much I guess. My budget is limited...
 
Jan 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM Post #2,535 of 5,854
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olias of sunhillow said:
 
I'm not David, of course, but I will chime in here. If I didn't listen to a lot of classical and jazz, I wouldn't own the HD800. Regardless of amp and source -- and I've tried a lot -- I never find myself enjoying rock and metal as much with the HD800 as I do with the LCD-3 (and as I did with the LCD-2.2, for that matter). The exception here might be extremely well produced progressive metal (something like, say, Octopus by Amplifier) where the superior 2D imaging of the HD800 makes them an equal choice to the more visceral LCD-3.
 
That's just one opinion, and I know lots of folks that use the HD800 as their only can. But to me, it's a specialist for large-scale symphonic classical and European jazz, while the LCD-3 often gets the nod for chamber music, bebop and rock/metal. (Still no idea where the SR-009 fits into this. Too new to me.)
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Hey, congrats on the SR-009 rig!!!
 
For me, it fits in as the best can (for all genres) I've ever heard. 
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  When did it arrive?
 
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