What program do you use to play your music? (itt: we debate itunes jk)
Oct 21, 2012 at 11:37 PM Post #137 of 169
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Just to be clear: There's nothing inherently wrong with default Windows Media Player, correct? It doesn't make my music files sound more chewy or something? From what I've gathered from this thread so far, it's all about playlist management.
 
I like Foobar but don't use it at the moment.
 
I find all the media players in linux to be subpar in playlist management, and I frequently get playback errors on files that work on eveything else (Windows/Windows Mobile/Apple devices/Android).

 
Aside from standard playback (which all players should perform the same, although not all do so) and library management, players differ in terms of UI customization, audio processing options and connectivity.
 
Oct 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM Post #138 of 169
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Like Linux or the program in Linux will not play the file. I've used many, many distros over 3 years and Linux never worked right.

By Linux not playing it correctly, you mean that the libraries in whatever version of the distro didn't have proper support for the file format? What were you trying to play? mp3, FLAC, AAC, ogg, APE, WAV? All of those have been properly supported (FLAC and ogg were very *nix centric when developed) for a long, long time. There shouldn't be any reason why Linux of all thing would lack in support for multimedia formats. 
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 1:26 AM Post #139 of 169
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By Linux not playing it correctly, you mean that the libraries in whatever version of the distro didn't have proper support for the file format? What were you trying to play? mp3, FLAC, AAC, ogg, APE, WAV? All of those have been properly supported (FLAC and ogg were very *nix centric when developed) for a long, long time. There shouldn't be any reason why Linux of all thing would lack in support for multimedia formats. 

No. Some mp3s and flacs would not work on linux, while other mp3s and flacs would play just fine. There was no consistency. Everything worked fine on Mac and Windows.
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 2:02 AM Post #140 of 169
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No. Some mp3s and flacs would not work on linux, while other mp3s and flacs would play just fine. There was consistency. Everything worked fine on Mac and Windows.

Was this consistent across every single player you tried, every single distro? Which distro and which players did this occur on, for example? 
 
Not to pry or to disprove your experience or anything, it's just that I find this very interesting. It could either be that the files were corrupted or marked so that they would only play on a specific music player (this has happened to me before), or that you encountered a bug with flac and mp3 libraries at that time (you said to have tried multiple players, right?) which is likely as well, there was a time where gstreamer just flat out sucked. If you were to still reproduce this with a recent distro, trying asking on the forums if anyone else has the same experience, or even better, submit a bug report to try and get this resolved. Might do others who have the same issue as you do a world of good.
 
Of course, it could just be silly mistakes that everybody makes. I remember having a friend migrate to Slack, and when he tried to transfer all his music to the new install, he did it as root, so as he logged back into his regular user, he found that all the music he would import to his player wouldn't play because he lacked permissions, lol. In that case, a simple chown USER ./* would have sufficed.
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 8:17 AM Post #141 of 169
"That can be done, but takes a bit of work.

Either you need to add the foo_run component through the "attrib "%_path%" +H" (without the outside quotation marks), or externally change individual track attributes to hidden."
 
Roller,
 
That's why I went looking for an alternative to foobar and wound up switching to JRiver.  I don't have the background that lets me be comfortable writing code, however simple it is.  Note I was going to use the word "basic" rather than "simple", but thought better of it :)
 
For me, it's just not intuitive to write code (or whatever those directions are called) just to do something like delete a file.  I wouldn't know where to start anyway.  I also couldn't get Winamp to work for me, but don't remember the problems I had with trying it out.  No comments on that program, it may have been me messing up something.
 
JRiver just seems so much simpler to interface with than foobar.  Several of the features I like are:
 
- the DSP Studio controls.  These allow a large number of playback options, including control of:
 
+ Equalizer
 
+ Effects - a wide variety of audio enhancements
 
+ Parametric Equalizer - use this to correct for any dead or weak spots in your audio playback, due to crossovers or your room environment.  For instance, I add 10db at 175Hz to both speakers based on the REW (Room Equalizer Wizard) program results.
 
+ Output Format - Do you want to output in mono, stero, 5.1, 7.1 or some other format?  What sample rate do you want to use?  Want to upmix, down mix?  What frequency do you want to bypass your subwoofer at?
 
+ Room Correction (does one speaker need a little more power?).  This also offers the options to easily mute a speaker, send a test tone to it or reverse the polarity of the speaker. These are nice options to make sure you've connected your setup correctly.  It also offers the options of setting your crossovers for bass management, along with a couple of slope options.
 
+ Headphones - it offers a variety of crossfeed options.  Quoting them, "Crossfeed makes audio played through headphones sound more natural and less fatiguing.  Audio is mixed between the contralateral and ipsilateral ears after modeling the frequency curve and time-delay associated with non-headphone listening".  Ouch!  I haven't played with this option yet.  Makes my head hurt just reading that!
 
- I found it very easy to create and control playlists.  That may be true in foobar as well, but I like the drag and drop method.  Again, it is just simpler for me.
 
- I really like the classy layout and look of the program.  Much, much more modern than foobar.
 
- the theater view, as mentioned by punks15 back on page 3.  It's neat to have the album cover up on the screen, and it also goes out to the internet for other pictures of the artist playing.  For instance, if you are listening to the Allman Brothers, you'll see various photos of the band come up and fade away on the screen.  Technically, it doesn't make the music sound better, but it does make the experience more enjoyable and that's what I'm after.
 
- easily syncs with and controls the music on other devices.  I can easily control what is on my portable Sandisk player from within JRiver
 
- the remote control options are really nice!  I loaded a duplicate copy on my netbook.  My easy chair, with another amp and set of headphones, is across the room from my desktop.   I loaded a copy of JRiver on my netbook.  I can relax in the chair and look at the same JRiver screen that is on my desktop.  No more getting up and walking across the room to change what's playing, etc.  That's sweet!   There are other options for controlling video and home entertainment systems that I don't use, but probably would be handy for others.
 
Here's their basic index page, linking to many of the various options:
 
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Center
 
They also have a good forum, Interact.  That's helpful for trying to figure out how to do something new.
 
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php
 
And before anyone asks, the answer is no, I don't work for JRiver!
 
For ripping, I use a program my brother set me up with, dBpoweramp CD Ripper.
 
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/cd-ripper.htm
 
Nice program, easy to use.  Although it does have some of that foobar type code, it will enter it for you as you select the options you want, such as where to store the ripped music.  It has a nice metadata option that allows you to make sure your CD data is correct, as well as the cover art associated with the CD.
 
I had this program before JRiver and have just continued to use it rather than exploring JRiver's ripping capabilities.
 
 
 
 
 
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Oct 22, 2012 at 8:50 AM Post #142 of 169
And the lesson learned from this thread, don't get between a momma bear and her cubs. It appears everyone posting has a mindset which is cast. It seems these folks fight for approval of their selected player as a campaign manager fights for his candidate. I wonder what's the point?
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM Post #143 of 169
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"That can be done, but takes a bit of work.

Either you need to add the foo_run component through the "attrib "%_path%" +H" (without the outside quotation marks), or externally change individual track attributes to hidden."
 
Roller,
 
That's why I went looking for an alternative to foobar and wound up switching to JRiver.  I don't have the background that lets me be comfortable writing code, however simple it is.  Note I was going to use the word "basic" rather than "simple", but thought better of it :)
 
For me, it's just not intuitive to write code (or whatever those directions are called) just to do something like delete a file.  I wouldn't know where to start anyway.  I also couldn't get Winamp to work for me, but don't remember the problems I had with trying it out.  No comments on that program, it may have been me messing up something.
 
JRiver just seems so much simpler to interface with than foobar.  Several of the features I like are:
 
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Basically every single feature you mentioned can be done on foobar2000 and better, since components are swappable, and there is an entire market dedicated to things from high quality EQs (one of which is actually developed by a fellow Head-fier), the best resampler that currently exists is available for foobar2000 as well, different binaural plugins, the UI is flexible to the point you design it the way you see fit, meaning you're not stuck with a static UI, it can sync with PMPs (different degrees of difficulty) and can be controlled remotely.

So, while a couple features might require more handiwork on foobar2000 than on other programs, the fact is that foobar2000 basically does just about everything.

But, it all comes down to the whole "different strokes for different people" mantra. So, use whatever fits you best, switch players if you feel like it, and most of all do enjoy yourself :)
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 4:19 PM Post #144 of 169
I find itunes okay for music up to 320kbps since that's what I load onto my phone most of the time. But when I have to scratch that audiophile itch I use WinAmp for FLAC lossless audio nirvana 
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Oct 22, 2012 at 5:05 PM Post #145 of 169
Well I downloaded the demo version of JRiver to see what the fuss was about.  It looks nice, quite polished, and I can see the attraction as an all in one media player.  Theater mode IMO was the nicest interface, and if you tweaked it out a bit would be a pretty good set-up.
 
I had issues with ASIO - locked my PC up solid (Win7 64b, Creative X-Fi Titanium > spdif > NFB-12), but that is likely to be Creative drivers.  WASAPI worked well - but refused to release the sound back to DirectSound after closing.  Again - if I spent the time I'm pretty sure I could troubleshoot it (I come from a Linux background - 5yrs - so it wouldn't be too hard).  I didn't have these issues with Foobar though.
 
For me, the biggest issue (and again there is probably workarounds - but I didn't want to take the time to learn all the ins and outs) - was the ability to adjust the layout down to the nth degree.  With Foobar it's pretty easy (click to make section active & then add new panel etc).  With JRiver I found it a lot harder.
 
As far as tools go though - Foobar does have pretty much what JRiver offers - especially in dsp plugins etc. Foobar's dolby plugins and eq plugins etc are very good.  I'll stick with Foobar - it does everything I need, and more importantly I'm familiar with it.  JRiver definitely a good alternative if you looking for one stop media shop though ....
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 6:21 PM Post #146 of 169
Roller said:
 
Basically every single feature you mentioned can be done on foobar2000 and better, since components are swappable, and there is an entire market dedicated to things from high quality EQs (one of which is actually developed by a fellow Head-fier), the best resampler that currently exists is available for foobar2000 as well, different binaural plugins, the UI is flexible to the point you design it the way you see fit, meaning you're not stuck with a static UI, it can sync with PMPs (different degrees of difficulty) and can be controlled remotely.

So, while a couple features might require more handiwork on foobar2000 than on other programs, the fact is that foobar2000 basically does just about everything.

But, it all comes down to the whole "different strokes for different people" mantra. So, use whatever fits you best, switch players if you feel like it, and most of all do enjoy yourself :)
 
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Roller,
 
I totally agree with the whole "different strokes for different people" mantra, and there is obviously more than one reason there are probably millions of very satisfied foobar users.
 
I think you’ll find as I post more, that I’m not one of those who thinks their choices are always the right choices or the “only” logical choice.  I’m learning the audiophile thing as I go, and making my choices on what seems right for me at the time.  If I understood the program better, foobar might well be a better choice.   If I had more money, Amarra might have been a good choice.  MusicBee could have been an excellent choice at the time, but I didn’t look into it.  If I was an Apple guy, iTunes might have made the most sense.  I chose JRiver and am happy with that as I’ve noted earlier.  If something comes long next year that is clearly much better, I’d probably move on to it. 
 
I’m curious though, does anyone have a feel for the most prevalent players?  I’m guessing Windows Media Player, iTunes, foobar, Winamp.  Unfortunately, I don’t believe my much beloved JRiver Media Center would make any top 10 list in that regard.
 
You also mentioned, “there is an entire market dedicated to things from high quality EQs (one of which is actually developed by a fellow Head-fier)” .  Can you provide more info on that?   I’d be open to an equalizer outside of JRiver’s.   
 
Their equalizer seems pretty basic, although many of us are hoping (and I understand they are working on it) they’ll eventually allow you to tag the equalizer and DSP settings to individual albums or songs.  That way you could have rock, classical, jazz settings, etc., attached to each album or song without having to manually change the settings.  Does foobar or one of the other programs you are aware of allow for that option?
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 7:00 PM Post #147 of 169
OK gurus of the 1s and 0s, I have over 2.5 tb of flac files that need to be converted to mp3 for use with an ipod. I want to keep my flac files and just make copies to mp3. Sure could use some help.
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM Post #148 of 169
edriley, there are indeed many different options for different purposes and users.

foobar2000, JRMC, MediaMonkey, Winamp, Songbird, MusicBee, Windows Media Player, iTunes, and many others are quite popular, each for different reasons, and each having more or less features, which might or might not be relevant for what you expect from an audio player.

The foobar2000 EQ I'm talking about is found here:
Component page - http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dsp_xgeq
Discussion page - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=88505

Do note it's a foobar2000 component, so it's not compatible with other players.

EQs, as well as many other plugins can be found on the form of VSTs. A free and popular EQ is Electri-Q (http://www.kvraudio.com/product/electri_q_posihfopit_edition_by_aixcoustic_creations), but there are many other options. Other popular options are TB Isone (http://www.toneboosters.com/tb-isone/), Redline Equalizer (http://www.112db.com/redline/equalizer/) and Ozone MP (http://izotope.com/products/audio/media/ozone.html), just to name a few.

Interesting idea on having individual DSP settings for individual songs/albums. I can't recall any player doing that out the top of my head, though.
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM Post #149 of 169
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OK gurus of the 1s and 0s, I have over 2.5 tb of flac files that need to be converted to mp3 for use with an ipod. I want to keep my flac files and just make copies to mp3. Sure could use some help.

 
dbpoweramp?  Has a batch converter.  I use it for all of my conversions (FLAC to aac).  I've done it by album though, adding to ipod as I buy the albums.  Will have to try the batch converter sometime.  Best part is that it uses multiple cores (speedy).
 
Oct 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM Post #150 of 169
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dbpoweramp?  Has a batch converter.  I use it for all of my conversions (FLAC to aac).  I've done it by album though, adding to ipod as I buy the albums.  Will have to try the batch converter sometime.  Best part is that it uses multiple cores (speedy).

 
+1.
 

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