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post #1726 of 3282

Got my Asgard 2 a couple of days ago, and I've been listening to my K702.65 on that amp.  Big differences when compared to listening on my Yamaha integrated, as expected.

 

On the Asgard 2, the bass quantity is reigned in pretty significantly, everything sounds tighter and more detailed, the soundstage opens up, the imaging sharpens, and there's the sense of more air in the presentation.  Basically, it sounds much more like my memory of the K701.

 

I think the K702.65 still improves on balance when compared to the K701.  The elevated bass quantity is pretty close to what I'd call neutral on the Asgard 2, and the emphasis that the K701 put on the upper mids is diminished.  As others have been starting to point out, I wouldn't be surprised if the pads are solely responsible for the sonic changes.

 

I'm not sure I'll end up keeping the K702.65.  I might go ahead and get the K701 instead, and install a pair of the memory foam pads -- I have always preferred a hard-wired cable, and the fact that it has four conductors vs. the K702.65's three makes the K701 much easier to convert to balanced.  But whatever way you slice it, I still think the K702.65 is a great headphone.  I would even call it a good value, if it weren't for the fact that you could buy a regular K70x or Q701 with a pair of memory foam pads for less.

post #1727 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Hmm... despite the differences in tonal characteristics between pads, I must say the Q701 pads and Annie pads aren't night and day. It's literally a change between sub bass extension and treble/air, and it's not HUGE. I have to say BOTH pads are great. The Q701 pads decay the bass a bit faster, and sub bass is not as extended, but mid bass is similar. The vocals are brighter and a bit sharper in comparison to the Annie pads, but there is a sparkle that is not as evident on the Annie pads. The Annie pads soften that sharpness, and do make things just a hint warmer and less fatiguing, though not as immedately airy. I have to say, I do prefer the Annie pads. It sounds fuller and more rounded, more organic/natural, IMHO.


Either way, make no mistake, they are either the same sonically, or they are nearly 98% the same with a slight more warmth out of the Annie, though my Annie isn't as burned in as tdock's Q701, if you believe in that... what I do know is that my Annie is warmer and more bottom heavy and not as airy as his Q701 with the Annie pads.

Just remember, two of the same headphone can sound slightly different. Case in point, I had THREE DT990/600ohms in my house at the same time, and they all sounded a hair different from one another, one of them being noticeably more bassy and mid recessed compared to the other two.
 

 

 

Yes, the changers aren't that drastic.  You can tell they're just different variations on the same base sound.  They still have much of their sound in common.

 

And it sounds like any minor changes between the K702 65 and the other x70x, apart from the pads, are probably unintentional by AKG and can be chalked up to minor variation in the headphones themselves.

post #1728 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I figured they'd at least change something internally, like damping or something, but it does seem to be just the pads, though my Annie definitely sounds different from tdock's Q701. Like 5%. More, thicker bass, less treble, even with the same pads. Still it's close enough to blame it on either driver variation or if you want to believe in it, burn in. Tdock says he has 1000 hours on his. My Annies probably have around 100 hours, and that's being generous.

Basically as different my one Dt990/600 that was warmer and more bassy, while the two other 990/600s I had on had that were not as bassy, and brighter.

Too bad no two headphones sound exactly alike.

Very true.

I wonder if it's the pads on the newer K701's that make them sound warmer? Don't know if anyone has tried the normal K/Q702 pads on the K701's?

post #1729 of 3282
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Very true.

I wonder if it's the pads on the newer K701's that make them sound warmer? Don't know if anyone has tried the normal K/Q702 pads on the K701's?

 

I have tried them, I actually have the new black k702 pads installed on my k701. There is no difference to be heard.

 

post #1730 of 3282
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Originally Posted by Sophonax View Post

Got my Asgard 2 a couple of days ago, and I've been listening to my K702.65 on that amp.  Big differences when compared to listening on my Yamaha integrated, as expected.

 

On the Asgard 2, the bass quantity is reigned in pretty significantly, everything sounds tighter and more detailed, the soundstage opens up, the imaging sharpens, and there's the sense of more air in the presentation.  Basically, it sounds much more like my memory of the K701.

 

I think the K702.65 still improves on balance when compared to the K701.  The elevated bass quantity is pretty close to what I'd call neutral on the Asgard 2, and the emphasis that the K701 put on the upper mids is diminished.  As others have been starting to point out, I wouldn't be surprised if the pads are solely responsible for the sonic changes.

 

I'm not sure I'll end up keeping the K702.65.  I might go ahead and get the K701 instead, and install a pair of the memory foam pads -- I have always preferred a hard-wired cable, and the fact that it has four conductors vs. the K702.65's three makes the K701 much easier to convert to balanced.  But whatever way you slice it, I still think the K702.65 is a great headphone.  I would even call it a good value, if it weren't for the fact that you could buy a regular K70x or Q701 with a pair of memory foam pads for less.

 

I think you should keep them, the 65s are the most beautiful ones in the 70x line...and you probably don't remember the bumps on your head drilling holes in your skull.

 

About the cable, there are plenty of options out there to improve the SQ.

You can start with a simple cable replacement, http://www.head-fi.org/t/378255/akg-k702-build-your-own-cable

 

You can even go Balanced, http://www.diyaudioblog.com/2012/04/balancing-akg-k702-headphone.html

http://www.head-fi.org/t/483861/guide-balanced-akg-k702-with-detachable-4-pin-mini-xlr-cable

post #1731 of 3282

Hi all,

 

#650 checking in, per MLE recommendation for gaming I took the plunge on the Annies and the sound has been wonderful but... Has anyone else had any discomfort with the headband? I have worn them for a few days and where the band rests on my head I get a red spot a little bigger then a soda cap that is tender to the touch. My HD598s rested on my head evenly so i have never had this issue. Any ideas?

post #1732 of 3282
I don't see how there could be any discomfort from the headband, unless you're allergic to leather..., but it's possible.

If you think that's uncomfortable, avoid the non-Annies at all costs. eek.gif

In any case, the headband is real thin, so you should be able to wrap some cloth or fabric around it.

Here's an old blue sock which I cut and wrapped around...(just did this, for his sake, I have zero issues with the Annie headband):



I assume a pin, or some tape to put the ends together on the top half.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/2/13 at 5:29am
post #1733 of 3282
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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

 

I have tried them, I actually have the new black k702 pads installed on my k701. There is no difference to be heard.

 

 

Thanks :)

post #1734 of 3282
I was listening last night and there was a period of about two hours where I didn't physically touch the headphones at all to reposition them in any way, so the Comfort is definitely high. I didnt notice any heat build up either, nothing unusual compared to the Q701, but maybe that will change in the summer.


The pads are very soft. Noticeably softer than the standard foam. The only thing I would change would be to make them just slightly thicker since they're already thinner than the standard pads and are quicker to compress. Still,like I just said, I went for several hours and didn't adjust them, and the only other headphone that had pulled that off for me is the a Q701. So, still better than other headphone I've tried. I have I have fairly big ears too, and usually my ears getting cramped inside the cups is the first thing to bother me and disqualify a headphone for me.


If you want to add padding to the head bands, seat belt pads are popular. I might add one to the 65s,not that I think they need it that much, but partly because I have a smaller head and spacing the elastics out a bit more helps the headphones fit a little more snugly (they're pretty much at the bottom of the track with the stock head band). Typed in my phone (thanks for the wall of text), and will edit later :-\
Edited by chicolom - 3/2/13 at 8:03am
post #1735 of 3282

Thanks for the advice guys. I am not allergic to leather it is just the band rests the weight on a small spot on my head. MLE I do want to try out the bumps just to see how bad it is now.

 

After posting i tried to tighten the headphones so more of the band would rest on my head and didnt have a problem for the last hour or so. The earpads are amazingly comfortable, they feel alot better then my HD598s. I will try to post some pics if the problem continues.

post #1736 of 3282
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Originally Posted by lwhitit View Post

 MLE I do want to try out the bumps just to see how bad it is now.

 

700

post #1737 of 3282
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Annies out getting hardwired now..  They'll be back next week.

 

Let me know how that goes. I've been thinking about that since I can only use my D1 dac/amp on these. Are they going to be single entry still but with a 4 pin instead of 3 as the connector?

post #1738 of 3282
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

 

Let me know how that goes. I've been thinking about that since I can only use my D1 dac/amp on these. Are they going to be single entry still but with a 4 pin instead of 3 as the connector?

 

I was thinking about the single entry way.  But I opted to bypass that connector.  It's going to look just like this:

 

 

 

post #1739 of 3282
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

I was thinking about the single entry way.  But I opted to bypass that connector.  It's going to look just like this:

 

Yeah better that way, I've never seen much point in upgrading the detachable cables as the signal still has to pass through the wire inside the headband to the other driver.

post #1740 of 3282
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Yeah better that way, I've never seen much point in upgrading the detachable cables as the signal still has to pass through the wire inside the headband to the other driver.


I've thought this too. At first I was thinking..what the heck is the point of a $200 cable upgrade when you still have stock wires inside going from the metal rod to the driver.

Makes no sense but there is still audible benefits of cheap DIY single entry cable upgrades.

 

Strangely with my K702 and 3 cables I couldn't detect an ounce of difference until I got my HRT MSII. Wonder why? When I got my ODAC the differences were even smaller!

 

Sometimes I use my mini to mini Cardas cable interconnect ($35!!) with a $2 four inch Y-adapter (with copper wires inside) and it still gives me some audible benefits.

 

I think if someone bought a $100,000 10 foot extension cable, a Sennheiser 1/4 to 1/8 5" adapter is not going to magically degrade the sound.

 

And yep, you'd have to be a moron to use a $20 adapter if you buy any $100,000 cables. Ok that sounded weird. Using a $20 adapter is bad, but buying a $100,000 is perfect OK. Totally makes sense!

 

I'm sure I've made this clear, but the metal headband rod doesn't go straight to the drivers biggrin.gif The rod is soldered to some wires that go directly to the driver.

 

Maybe replacing these rod to driver wires with what's used for the single entry cable upgrade is a good idea too. If you can hear a difference when replacing 2" of wire you must have the best ears in the world.

 

I also replaced my TBSE stock cable with a $15 Mogami cable and theres still some minor improvements despite the ultra thin internal cables inside the headphone. As long as the internal wires are very short it seems OK. Don't ask me why or how!

 

BTW sorry about the cable crap, but very few cable upgrades for me with the Q701 have sounded better than the stock cable. Only one i've liked is the one I made with Mogami W2893. Didn't like DHC, ALO SXC, Canare or some generic Belden. Stock was almost best, but only due to preference. ALO SXC made my Q701 sound too cold and analytical. ALO SXC was nice until I used it for a week and could figure out the differences.


Edited by tdockweiler - 3/2/13 at 1:37pm
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