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post #1516 of 3241
Been mentioned various times, the Annie is warmer and smoother. I don't understand why people would ever expect it to be on the same level of crispness and air as the non-Annies. You can't just add bass and expect the rest of the spectrum to sound the exact same. Sound doesn't work that way.

There is give and take. You should know, that going into it, the Annie was not gonna be as hyper detailed, by the many impressions on this thread. That means in a direct comparison, they aren't gonna be as clear and airy. You would probably hate the LCD2. It's even smoother, and less detail oriented than the Annie. Not to mention closed sounding and congested in comparison.

I can appreciate the smoother, more musical, more forgiving sound on the Annie, over the more clinical, less engaging sound on the non-Annies. Different strokes for different folks. Kind of like HD600 vs HD650, or DT990 vs DT880. That being said, I find the Annie's voicing to be very well balanced, even moreso than the non-Annies which had a lack of bass and peaky upper mids. The Annie is more linear, IMHO.

As for them being identical pads aside, l'll hold out until more people I personally trust compare them (tdock, chicolom). So far one person has stated they sound different even when swapping pads, the other says they are the same. At least you proved that changes between the Annie and the others aren't limited to just the bass.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/23/13 at 2:59am
post #1517 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

 

Another story guys when you put normal pads on Anniversary model, they just become normal K702, so, basically and based on my first session, I conclude that pads make them sound like this. I did put Anniversary pads on normal K702 and here we go, Anniversary were back. To make the final call, I need more time. What I mean, is, if they sound fully identical when you switch pads, but right now, I would say, try Anniversary pads on your K702 and you will get very close sound to the original Anniversarys. Less exciting news is, the Anniversary pads seem to be not cheap and this may be the reason why, cos guys at AKG/Harman knew this will show up sooner or later, so, if you want Anniversary sound with your normal K702, you must pay the bill.

 

THX

 

Thanks for your comments on this.

post #1518 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

 

Thanks, interesting comments. Keep us posted 

post #1519 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post
In stock configuration, mean stock pads and cable, Anniversary impressed me with electronica / trance music only. Classical and Jazz were not my liking, their midbass umph I was afraid of is there, but also the whole signature have kind of coating, which makes them sound like many already described, more forgiving, warmer and upfront.
Another story guys when you put normal pads on Anniversary model, they just become normal K702, so, basically and based on my first session, I conclude that pads make them sound like this. I did put Anniversary pads on normal K702 and here we go, Anniversary were back. To make the final call, I need more time. What I mean, is, if they sound fully identical when you switch pads, but right now, I would say, try Anniversary pads on your K702 and you will get very close sound to the original Anniversarys. Less exciting news is, the Anniversary pads seem to be not cheap and this may be the reason why, cos guys at AKG/Harman knew this will show up sooner or later, so, if you want Anniversary sound with your normal K702, you must pay the bill.

 

THX

 

Thank you for this nice comparision.

post #1520 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Been mentioned various times, the Annie is warmer and smoother. I don't understand why people would ever expect it to be on the same level of crispness and air as the non-Annies. You can't just add bass and expect the rest of the spectrum to sound the exact same. Sound doesn't work that way.
As for them being identical pads aside, l'll hold out until more people I personally trust compare them (tdock, chicolom). So far one person has stated they sound different even when swapping pads, the other says they are the same. At least you proved that changes between the Annie and the others aren't limited to just the bass.
 

 

Now the rubbish talk comes from you. biggrin.gif


Edited by muxamed - 2/23/13 at 3:55am
post #1521 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


l'll hold out until more people I personally trust compare them (tdock, chicolom).

 

Not cool!

post #1522 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

Yesterday, the postman was really nice and deliver them to my place, so, here are my first impressions compared to original K702.

 

In stock configuration, mean stock pads and cable, Anniversary impressed me with electronica / trance music only. Classical and Jazz were not my liking, their midbass umph I was afraid of is there, but also the whole signature have kind of coating, which makes them sound like many already described, more forgiving, warmer and upfront.

While they still kept the detail, they turn in the air and clarity, which, at the end, translated in less linearity with much more "fun" instead. But if I have to be critical, they just lost their balance.

 

For example, when you listen to orchestral and trio jazz, you just hear it, there is no natural sparkle of string tone or deep and tight acoustic bass, even piano, while still have that typical tone, but because of already mentioned coating and upfront umph in sound, makes it sound like you put your head inside piano and not just sitting in front of orchestra. The whole specturm is more compact and do not deliver the natural feeling to be in concert hall, but just direct or inside the orchestra. Also, because of prominent lower end, they sound clearly louder with the same volume settings. I found them sound like closed back with some tracks than open air one.

 

Another story guys when you put normal pads on Anniversary model, they just become normal K702, so, basically and based on my first session, I conclude that pads make them sound like this. I did put Anniversary pads on normal K702 and here we go, Anniversary were back. To make the final call, I need more time. What I mean, is, if they sound fully identical when you switch pads, but right now, I would say, try Anniversary pads on your K702 and you will get very close sound to the original Anniversarys. Less exciting news is, the Anniversary pads seem to be not cheap and this may be the reason why, cos guys at AKG/Harman knew this will show up sooner or later, so, if you want Anniversary sound with your normal K702, you must pay the bill.

 

THX

 

 

Thanks a lot for clarifying those points in detail, I hope the sparkle will pop in with the burn in process...and also I was hoping the new pads design will increase the focus on the SQ/FR (maybe this was AKG intention to start with). Please keep us update.

post #1523 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

Yesterday, the postman was really nice and deliver them to my place, so, here are my first impressions compared to original K702.

 

In stock configuration, mean stock pads and cable, Anniversary impressed me with electronica / trance music only. Classical and Jazz were not my liking, their midbass umph I was afraid of is there, but also the whole signature have kind of coating, which makes them sound like many already described, more forgiving, warmer and upfront.

While they still kept the detail, they turn in the air and clarity, which, at the end, translated in less linearity with much more "fun" instead. But if I have to be critical, they just lost their balance.

 

For example, when you listen to orchestral and trio jazz, you just hear it, there is no natural sparkle of string tone or deep and tight acoustic bass, even piano, while still have that typical tone, but because of already mentioned coating and upfront umph in sound, makes it sound like you put your head inside piano and not just sitting in front of orchestra. The whole specturm is more compact and do not deliver the natural feeling to be in concert hall, but just direct or inside the orchestra. Also, because of prominent lower end, they sound clearly louder with the same volume settings. I found them sound like closed back with some tracks than open air one.

 

Another story guys when you put normal pads on Anniversary model, they just become normal K702, so, basically and based on my first session, I conclude that pads make them sound like this. I did put Anniversary pads on normal K702 and here we go, Anniversary were back. To make the final call, I need more time. What I mean, is, if they sound fully identical when you switch pads, but right now, I would say, try Anniversary pads on your K702 and you will get very close sound to the original Anniversarys. Less exciting news is, the Anniversary pads seem to be not cheap and this may be the reason why, cos guys at AKG/Harman knew this will show up sooner or later, so, if you want Anniversary sound with your normal K702, you must pay the bill.

 

THX

thank you so much. 

post #1524 of 3241

Would like to clarify things first.

 

My comparison is based on my taste, system and music I listen to, thats first. Second, there is no way you can find anything  in my comparison that makes somebody else taste or findings bad or a lie, so, lets keep it nice up here please. Third, these Anniversarys I got, had around 200 hours already, thats what the previous owner told me, 100 hours of burn in and 90 listening time, where I got already 4 hours of my first session.

I swithced the pads after less than an hour and listen to both for like 2 hours and then switched back to stock and listen for another hour, but then for electronica and trance only, which impressed me at most.

 

I am going to give them another 200 hours of burn in and report back by then.

 

THX

post #1525 of 3241
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Now the rubbish talk comes from you. biggrin.gif

I didn't say I don't trust what Blackmore has stated. In fact, I believe him. I just want more confirmations from people I've known longer, is all. Im not discrediting him at all. Right now, there are only two people who have swapped pads, with different opinions.

If the sound differences is due just because of the pads, that's good news for those who own the older models and don't mind the headband bumps.

Buying a Q701 with annie pads would be about $100 less than what the Annie goes for. You lose out on the amazing headband, limited edition color/branding, but if you're pinching pennies, that'd be a recommendation I would give to anyone, ASSUMING it is indeed just the pads. Time will tell.

If the headband wasn't so incredibly difficult to replace (they are not mod friendly), I'd just get a K601 headband and Annie pads, if I already owned the K/Qs for awhile. In fact, I'd love to own a pair of K701's that had the K601 headband, and Annie pads (if the sound, again, is due to JUST the pads).
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/23/13 at 5:51am
post #1526 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

Would like to clarify things first.

 

My comparison is based on my taste, system and music I listen to, thats first. Second, there is no way you can find anything  in my comparison that makes somebody else taste or findings bad or a lie, so, lets keep it nice up here please. Third, these Anniversarys I got, had around 200 hours already, thats what the previous owner told me, 100 hours of burn in and 90 listening time, where I got already 4 hours of my first session.

I swithced the pads after less than an hour and listen to both for like 2 hours and then switched back to stock and listen for another hour, but then for electronica and trance only, which impressed me at most.

 

I am going to give them another 200 hours of burn in and report back by then.

 

THX

 

Hey you got them finally! I'm so glad that you're able to do this comparison. Thanks for the honest impressions so far. I was afraid that these do not suit you so well with classical and it seems that I was right. How are those pads for your skin? Any irritation or hot spots? Very interesting impressions from pad switching. I guess it would be worth for us Annie owners to get those normal pads to get the most out of jazz and classical recordings. Any suggestions were to find best prices? As I've been saying multiple times the main selling points for me were the increased comfortability and versatility. I see you also find them to sound more like a semi open than fully open cans. This was one of my first impressions with them also. They seal and isolate way better.

post #1527 of 3241
No kidding. The Annie's sound leakage is like a closed can compared to the HE-400 and LCD-2.
post #1528 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

Would like to clarify things first.

 

My comparison is based on my taste, system and music I listen to, thats first. Second, there is no way you can find anything  in my comparison that makes somebody else taste or findings bad or a lie, so, lets keep it nice up here please. Third, these Anniversarys I got, had around 200 hours already, thats what the previous owner told me, 100 hours of burn in and 90 listening time, where I got already 4 hours of my first session.

I swithced the pads after less than an hour and listen to both for like 2 hours and then switched back to stock and listen for another hour, but then for electronica and trance only, which impressed me at most.

 

I am going to give them another 200 hours of burn in and report back by then.

 

THX

 

Looks like you're already there ...as far I remember my 702s got the sound changes in the first 200hrs, the last change that I notice was around 250. I definitely agree with you, another 200hrs will close this case. Maybe a silver cable can open the sound of the 65s.

post #1529 of 3241

In a way, it'd be great if different pads could take us all the way from the bright and airy K701 to the warmer K702 Anniversaries. Then perhaps some other pads could be right in the middle... K702 Anniversaries with the new headband and big, angled Jmoney pads - or something similar - would be very comfortable.

post #1530 of 3241
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Originally Posted by Utopia View Post

In a way, it'd be great if different pads could take us all the way from the bright and airy K701 to the warmer K702 Anniversaries. Then perhaps some other pads could be right in the middle... K702 Anniversaries with the new headband and big, angled Jmoney pads - or something similar - would be very comfortable.

The newer K701's aren't really that bright imo. Certainly wouldn't want any more bass or warmth. I'm gonna give the pads a miss now because I was thinking about it, but just for comfort reasons

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