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The diary entries of a little girl in her 30s! ~ Part 2
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TwinQY
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TBH, first I thought either of these had to be some sort of joke....
But I guess the market has been spitting out stuff with the consistency of a Shyamalan film so I should have expected just the same.
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Oh and I did some googling to make sure
Not liking the sound sigs Shure's been pushing out lately, started with the SE315/425, escalated into the full-sized. I miss my E3Cs
Actually the no headphone output thing makes it really enticing for future plans....the pricing will determine my loyalty.
So I'm guessing most here will recommend Bioshock?
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Apparently there will be a new SE series by Shure........ Why does this always happen to me
TBH, first I thought either of these had to be some sort of joke....
But I guess the market has been spitting out stuff with the consistency of a Shyamalan film so I should have expected just the same.
....
Oh and I did some googling to make sure
Not liking the sound sigs Shure's been pushing out lately, started with the SE315/425, escalated into the full-sized. I miss my E3Cs
Actually the no headphone output thing makes it really enticing for future plans....the pricing will determine my loyalty.
So I'm guessing most here will recommend Bioshock?
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Lol, BAD GAMER! BAD, BAD GAMER!
Seriously though, while I wouldn't say it's a 10 out of 10 like a lot of people seem to (erroneously) believe it to be, it's most definitely worth playing. I would highly recommend that you give it a go. Even the experience of a playthrough is worth the time, and I don't say that very often. Plus, then you'd understand what Mupps is waxing eloquently about. She giving us pearls here I tell ya, pearls.
Yeah, that XCOM game looks pretty good. Tons of little details everywhere, very X-Filey.
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But for now... STUDY!
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Umm, didn't he just? Nevermind.
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Join us! Play the game
Quote:And yeah, a_rec why u no play? After all that stuff posted about game design and what not... sure you talk a good game... but isn't it about time that yousuffertolerateenjoy Bioshock Infinite like the rest of us?
Lol. I'm really bad with completing games and play them pretty infrequently. I will get around to it eventually, also when the game gets cheaper. (Games are expensive in Australia). I have to get around to actually playing some multiplayer Starcraft. Lollipop Chainsaw was fun. I've got my eye on that XCom game.
Lol, BAD GAMER! BAD, BAD GAMER!
Yeah, that XCOM game looks pretty good. Tons of little details everywhere, very X-Filey.
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Umm, didn't he just? Nevermind.
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Btw TwinQY try some foam Sony hybrid tips with the CKN70. I quite like the combination.
TwinQY
Something about the rear end of a cat
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So I guess he's contractually obligated to pay for my chain upgrades in the next 3 years or so?
I'll get right around to spending then
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The only noise-isolating foam Hybrid ones I have kept from the EX1000 are the smalls and they don't seal as well when on the ATs.
Most often than not, I make my own makeshift foamy Hybrids
I think I'm using the Auvios right now as they're a bit harder and more consistent, but will get around to reporting with the Hybrid foams.
So I guess he's contractually obligated to pay for my chain upgrades in the next 3 years or so?
I'll get right around to spending then
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The only noise-isolating foam Hybrid ones I have kept from the EX1000 are the smalls and they don't seal as well when on the ATs.
Most often than not, I make my own makeshift foamy Hybrids
I think I'm using the Auvios right now as they're a bit harder and more consistent, but will get around to reporting with the Hybrid foams.
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A few problems though. The biggest being your first assumption seems off. Isn't the game itself an instance of a timeline with more than one Booker? We've got Booker and Comstock together in multiple timelines. As soon as the twins pull Booker into Comstock's world, Booker is now part of that timeline. Furthermore remember the ending: we see a point in space and time with MANY Elizabeths together. That implies there can also be MANY Bookers together in a single point in spacetime.
I do see what you mean about the "only some subsets matter" thing. Ie., there's only a finite subset of universes that exhibit the conditions necessarily to "matter" or at least be relevant to the game. However you're assuming those specific conditions are the only ones that "matter." The game never actually confirms or denies this. There could be other parallel worlds in which Booker becomes Comstock or even worlds where Booker becomes Lady Comstock through different events other than a baptism, at different points in time. Maybe one Booker flips out at Wounded Knee and runs away, assumes the identity of Lady Comstock to hide from authorities, and then marries a powerful senator who becomes president. She orchestrates everything behind the scenes and, sad that she cannot have a biological child of her own, has Elizabeth kidnapped from yet another parallel world's Booker.
Anyway, I'm starting to get too intrenched into the fake physics with this on both sides of the argument, so I'm going to keep it simple. Your argument if I understand it correctly is that there are only a finite number of Bookers that matter, and a bunch of Elizabeths are now tasked with killed each Booker that matters before he turns into Comstock. My theory alternatively is that the game presents this one Booker as pivotal and that Elizabeth is somehow able to use his singular death to wipe out all possible Bookers.
Each theory has its problems. Here are the problems with yours as far as I see it:
-> A squad of Elizabeths has to go around killing a lot of Bookers one at a time. Even if you say it's a finite set, that's going to be a pretty humongous set.
-> The potential for other Elizabeths who aren't in agreement to try and stop the ones trying to kill Bookers.
-> The moral gravity of a gang of daughters having to systematically drown their father again and again and again.
-> Each Booker, even those that "matter" in that they fill out the qualifications for becoming a potential Comstock, is still slightly different. What if one of those Bookers discovered a cure for cancer? What if another one is just a really charming fellow? What if one Booker is borderline, might become a psuedo-Comstock? What if one becomes Comstock but reforms in one reality? Psychological profiles are going to be different if we assume each is his own distinct human being. I mean, in the game itself we see one Booker is a total racist while the other potentially saves interracial couples because he gets offended over having to hurt them. How much is "enough" to "matter?" At what point on the sliding scale do we condemn a Booker to death by "mattering?"
-> It assumes the baptism is the only trigger point, or alternatively Elizabeth is going to have to basically start killing babies unless she can figure out the turning point for each timeline that matters.
My theory gets around the difficulties of the "Elizabeth hit squad" and trying to parse out a finite subset out of infinity which is very messy business. However it also leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth too because killing all possible Bookers is condemning tons of innocent people. It solves logistical issues with your theory, but it's even worse morally speaking.
Hence my dissatisfaction with both.
I do see what you mean about the "only some subsets matter" thing. Ie., there's only a finite subset of universes that exhibit the conditions necessarily to "matter" or at least be relevant to the game. However you're assuming those specific conditions are the only ones that "matter." The game never actually confirms or denies this. There could be other parallel worlds in which Booker becomes Comstock or even worlds where Booker becomes Lady Comstock through different events other than a baptism, at different points in time. Maybe one Booker flips out at Wounded Knee and runs away, assumes the identity of Lady Comstock to hide from authorities, and then marries a powerful senator who becomes president. She orchestrates everything behind the scenes and, sad that she cannot have a biological child of her own, has Elizabeth kidnapped from yet another parallel world's Booker.
Anyway, I'm starting to get too intrenched into the fake physics with this on both sides of the argument, so I'm going to keep it simple. Your argument if I understand it correctly is that there are only a finite number of Bookers that matter, and a bunch of Elizabeths are now tasked with killed each Booker that matters before he turns into Comstock. My theory alternatively is that the game presents this one Booker as pivotal and that Elizabeth is somehow able to use his singular death to wipe out all possible Bookers.
Each theory has its problems. Here are the problems with yours as far as I see it:
-> A squad of Elizabeths has to go around killing a lot of Bookers one at a time. Even if you say it's a finite set, that's going to be a pretty humongous set.
-> The potential for other Elizabeths who aren't in agreement to try and stop the ones trying to kill Bookers.
-> The moral gravity of a gang of daughters having to systematically drown their father again and again and again.
-> Each Booker, even those that "matter" in that they fill out the qualifications for becoming a potential Comstock, is still slightly different. What if one of those Bookers discovered a cure for cancer? What if another one is just a really charming fellow? What if one Booker is borderline, might become a psuedo-Comstock? What if one becomes Comstock but reforms in one reality? Psychological profiles are going to be different if we assume each is his own distinct human being. I mean, in the game itself we see one Booker is a total racist while the other potentially saves interracial couples because he gets offended over having to hurt them. How much is "enough" to "matter?" At what point on the sliding scale do we condemn a Booker to death by "mattering?"
-> It assumes the baptism is the only trigger point, or alternatively Elizabeth is going to have to basically start killing babies unless she can figure out the turning point for each timeline that matters.
My theory gets around the difficulties of the "Elizabeth hit squad" and trying to parse out a finite subset out of infinity which is very messy business. However it also leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth too because killing all possible Bookers is condemning tons of innocent people. It solves logistical issues with your theory, but it's even worse morally speaking.
Hence my dissatisfaction with both.
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infinite parallel universes can mean an infinite number of exactly the same universe.
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an infinite number of each and every universe that is different to everyone that is not exactly like itself.
So. if you get back to your original universe, are you really back in that one or an exact copy of your original universe? And, does it make a difference?
Think about it. If you are in a parallel universe exactly like your original universe, and then go to an exact copy of your original universe, does it mean that an exact copy of you has to come to your original universe. Does it make a difference?
What if all the exact copies of you have to then move lock-step into the next copy of your universe?
Are you sure you initiated the initial move to an exact parallel universe, or were you forced to move to another one by the action of your exact double moving into your universe?
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an infinite number of each and every universe that is different to everyone that is not exactly like itself.
So. if you get back to your original universe, are you really back in that one or an exact copy of your original universe? And, does it make a difference?
Think about it. If you are in a parallel universe exactly like your original universe, and then go to an exact copy of your original universe, does it mean that an exact copy of you has to come to your original universe. Does it make a difference?
What if all the exact copies of you have to then move lock-step into the next copy of your universe?
Are you sure you initiated the initial move to an exact parallel universe, or were you forced to move to another one by the action of your exact double moving into your universe?
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This raises some interesting questions about simulacra and whether something that is entirely identical can be a separate thing, or whether it's still in effect the same thing.
This raises some interesting questions about simulacra and whether something that is entirely identical can be a separate thing, or whether it's still in effect the same thing.
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On a completely different topic, would anyone here say that a Sony XBA-1 is worth $30? I've already got two single BAs, a Fischer Audio SBA-01 and a Mee A151. I'm also listening to my UE700 almost daily. And of course, I could always apply that $30 towards the Flat4 or a decent audition with the RE-400. But here's the thing, I'm a sucker for cheap deals. Should I just let the XBA-01 pass, or jump on it?
but those are all cases where there was external interference through tears. My first assumption was really just stating the obvious, in that all the worlds that have nothing to do with our plot, have in fact nothing to do with our plot.
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How much would you pay for a DLC where THAT happens? =D
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It's a bit of a cheat and a cop out I know, but sometimes a vast simplification does the trick. I'd be perfectly willing to entertain the idea that one Booker can stand in for all Bookers. But unless we want to imbue him with some kind of Christ-like symbolism where he can atone for all Bookers, Ima need something that points to him being a true nexus of sorts. I'm not picky, any little extraneous detail will do, but in my hurried rush through the game, I probably missed a number of such details.
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However the game does address some of that. For example, they seem to have the hit squad concept down pat (from the last scene).
And yes, I readily concede that they'd have a **** ton of multiverses to take care of - even if it is a finite number. But if they can exist between different (or even outside of various) spacetimes, then presumably they'd have all of eternity to do the job? An infinite amount of time eh?
Yeah, some Elizabeth's might not be down with that. But hey, if they're not part of the solution, then...
Regarding the moral weight upon the various Elizabeths (or gangs of Elizabeths), would it really be much worse than certain Biblical tales? Many people seem to accept all kinds of frankly not-very-cool things just because their beliefs warrant it. I think the lasses will manage.
As for any number of "good" or "worthy" Bookers that might deserve a chance to live... hmm, oh well! Can't win 'em all!
Well, I think it's worth noting that I don't have much of a theory at the moment, just a starting point that doesn't **** with my understanding of temporal mechanics too much. I'm pretty sure that, over time, we could refine both - maybe even combine them.
But I think that you would agree with me in saying that - were the game a little more thorough in it's delivery or presentation - we wouldn't have to do such a thing.
And yes, I readily concede that they'd have a **** ton of multiverses to take care of - even if it is a finite number. But if they can exist between different (or even outside of various) spacetimes, then presumably they'd have all of eternity to do the job? An infinite amount of time eh?
Yeah, some Elizabeth's might not be down with that. But hey, if they're not part of the solution, then...
Regarding the moral weight upon the various Elizabeths (or gangs of Elizabeths), would it really be much worse than certain Biblical tales? Many people seem to accept all kinds of frankly not-very-cool things just because their beliefs warrant it. I think the lasses will manage.
As for any number of "good" or "worthy" Bookers that might deserve a chance to live... hmm, oh well! Can't win 'em all!
Well, I think it's worth noting that I don't have much of a theory at the moment, just a starting point that doesn't **** with my understanding of temporal mechanics too much. I'm pretty sure that, over time, we could refine both - maybe even combine them.
But I think that you would agree with me in saying that - were the game a little more thorough in it's delivery or presentation - we wouldn't have to do such a thing.
On a completely different topic, would anyone here say that a Sony XBA-1 is worth $30? I've already got two single BAs, a Fischer Audio SBA-01 and a Mee A151. I'm also listening to my UE700 almost daily. And of course, I could always apply that $30 towards the Flat4 or a decent audition with the RE-400. But here's the thing, I'm a sucker for cheap deals. Should I just let the XBA-01 pass, or jump on it?
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Why not just cut to the end game and get a JH13 or JH16?
Why not just cut to the end game and get a JH13 or JH16?
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I would think that (a) as long as everything else is exactly the same, and (b) for as long as you're the only one aware that you are different; then it's simply a case of mind over matter. In other words, if you don't mind, it don't matter.
Mimouille
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You mean and stepping stone before getting a se5 or 335?
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Because it would take a lot longer to get either of those, and a little bit of immediate gratification keeps the crazy away. Plus, as I recall, Mupps didn't exactly give ringing endorsements of those, though she did mention them once or twice.
IIRC, the JH13 has a place on your list Mupps, but nothing particualrly mind-blowing right? And your recent exploits with the JH16 don't exactly make them sound terribly perfect (as least in terms of build).
Because it would take a lot longer to get either of those, and a little bit of immediate gratification keeps the crazy away. Plus, as I recall, Mupps didn't exactly give ringing endorsements of those, though she did mention them once or twice.
IIRC, the JH13 has a place on your list Mupps, but nothing particualrly mind-blowing right? And your recent exploits with the JH16 don't exactly make them sound terribly perfect (as least in terms of build).
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Opinions are like hairs.
Everyone has them. (except people who have had alopecia)
Ask any two experts a question, and you get three different opinions.
Everyone has them. (except people who have had alopecia)
Ask any two experts a question, and you get three different opinions.
Mimouille
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I just supremused ! Where are my free TH900 and my 1000 virgins ?
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