'Understood, but you've also started with a great piece of hardware....'
As standard the 2.1 Signature has a non digital totally unsatisfying but non digital sound. It lacks detail, dynamics, rhythm and pace all IMHO of course and subject to my standard.
'An async USB solution that can compete with a 2.1 signature, I'm at a loss for any. Sure they (the async USB solutions) may have better jitter control but that is not even half the battle nor does it extrapolate to the sound signature of the equipment in question.'
I don't understand your phrase 'nor does it extrapolate to the sound signature of the equipment in question'. Async solutions well executed have low jitter not no jitter.
'In other words, having zero jitter is a start, but by no means the keystone or kryptonite for any piece of equipment'.
Of course, but you cannot get very low jitter with a SPDIF solution
'And correct me if I'm wrong but the 2.1 Signature has only SPDIF or balanced input, which means that you were only getting "decent sound" anyway assuming you were using the SPDIF . '
As standard you are right but what I wrote was that I installed a master clock and synched this back to the transport. This is analogous to the Async USB solution where the ultra low jitter master clock is placed right by the DAC and separate data and sync cables are run back to the transport to feed data and separately provide a clock signal. This is how a studio set up generally operates. My modded 2.1 signature was judged best digital source at several audio fairs i.e public contests.
So what sort of DAC gives you this performance? At the moment I am using a Wavelength Proton which has async data transfer. This cost £600 and offers all the performance of the modded 2.1 which for just the original DAC cost £1,000 ten years ago. I sold it as modded for £2,000 a couple of years back.. The Proton uses Black Gate, Mundorf and Wima caps along with hi quality resistors. Its piece de resistance is its built in battery power which is used for all the critical circuits, removing reliance on the noisy USB supply. So all the performance I had to self-build a few years ago for a much lower cost!
The critical areas to make a great DAC are always power supplies and jitter. Well executed battery is best for power and solutions like asynchronous USB or a synched transport /DAC best for low jitter.
David
Well I think your first sentence really outlines our differences. I enjoy the AN 2.1 exactly
because it exhibits a very analogue sound, digital sound IMHO is harsh and overly detailed with a very lean presentation. The AN DAC is warm, laid back, heavy, rich and tonally correct. Your views are in congruence with the HiFi world at large, which is by no means to say that they are wrong, I just do not share the same opinion. AN continually receives lack lust reviews from popular HiFi mags for their speakers and equipment (aside from a few outliers) because they don't measure well, they don't have jitter rejection circuits, they don't support USB, they don't sound like everyone else. For these reasons I'm not surprised that your modded AN won a few shows over, you took the soul out of the DAC and made it sound "modern." That's not the sound AN is going for (as evidenced by the article in my signature).
My point is, you cannot discount something because it does not have an async usb input. Async usb is more accurate, measures better, has better jitter control, but this barely translates into a good sounding piece of gear. In fact I'm not sure what sonic impact jitter even has It's like having a perfect square wave all the way to 20k, it tells you little to nothing about the actual sound of the equipment. Certainly lets you know that it was a quality build, but the output can still sound terrible. I'm still not sure why we're all scuffling over these trivial measurements, even a consumer grade product with tons of jitter will sound fine over SPDIF. It won't match the level of a quality build but that is hardly because of its jitter control or use of SPDIF.
Wavelength has been around the block a few times and I've heard their gear, but their sound is what you prefer, a bit on the cold clinical, lean side. It is nothing like AN and probably much closer to what your modded AN sounded like. I'm not at all trying to cast the company in a pajorative light; if that is how you prefer to listen to your music I'm completely complacent with that and can recommend you plenty a DAC that will fit the bill. But a Wavelength with Mundorf and Wima caps? The AN must have sounded like a dark room in comparison.
Anyway I'm trying to help the OP find something that fits the musical, euphoric, rich, soulful bill. Wavelength is certainly not it and I'm not aware of a async DAC that will either, but that's not the point as he wants to use his SPDIF from his computer anyway. I mean if it's that important to you grab a V link (or some equivalent) and just plug the output into your DAC. Now you've got jitter reduction and whichever DAC you'd like processing the important signal. It just seems that the more you suffocate these components with additional circuits based upon all these
intrinsic problems that were "discovered" and can now be measured, the less it sounds like actual music. If Hendrix could move an entire audience to tears without feeding his guitar through a jitter correction circuit loaded with Wima caps, then I'm not sure all this extra technology is as deserving as we make it out to be.