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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post
 

Thanks CoiL.

 

Your pics show ratings of self-made Van Damme Pro Grade Classic... Right? 

Yes. And it`s same length as stock cable, about 3m.

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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post
 

What should be the ideal setting of knob of MM (200/20K/200K/?) when testing these cables?

Smallest You can. 200 in this case.

 

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

For analytical listener like me, it makes noticeable difference. With stock cable sound was littlebit "muddy" and warmer, bass looser. With new cable sound became clearer, separation/imaging better, bass tighter. But this is little over-emphasized impression and applies only to my system, so take it with grain of salt. 

 

Thank you SO MUCH for the pictures!

That's something I always wanted to know! Now I know that my K612s are matched to within 0.5 ohms [roughly 118 ohms both]

You've been much help man! :beerchug:

No need to thank. It`s something easy. Never thought that it would be difficult to understand but hey, we all don`t know everything, especially ppl with no experience with electronics.


Edited by CoiL - 4/19/14 at 11:08am
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It is easy but frankly speaking, I had no clue about how to measure on MM besides left/right/ground channels before I saw the pics. So a big thank you for helping us to learn basic stuff through pics.   

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Yes a visual guide is impeccable :]

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Yes a visual guide is impeccable :]

Yes. 

 

Besides, a short video (beginning with how to set MM) would be immensely helpful. 

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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post
 

Yes. 

 

Besides, a short video (beginning with how to set MM) would be immensely helpful. 

Well, since I have the exact same cheapo multi-meter, I don't need it :D

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Another query: What if a cable has lower ohm ratings than your reference cable? Would it sound even better?

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I think there is plenty of videos in internet how to use multimeter ;)

 

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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post
 

Another query: What if a cable has lower ohm ratings than your reference cable? Would it sound even better?

Probably no. You just shouldn`t use such high-impedance cable like my stock X1 cable is. But then again, if you like warmer & looser sound or it fits better for your source, then stock cable is also ok.

 

Now guys & girls, lets talk again about X1. Has anyone done their own custom pads for X1`s. I don`t mean just change for beyers or some other but totally custom ones? I`m planning to do my own velours probably.


Edited by CoiL - 4/19/14 at 11:18am
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Custom pad's would be interesting, but I'm holding off until these start to show wear. I don't expect that to happen for at least another 2 or 3 years. How long have you had yours CoiL? Are you starting to see wear or are you just looking for better noise isolation? 

 

 

On another note, just figured out that the beginning of AWOLNATION - Not Your Fault is delightfully fun to listen to on these cans. I can't get enough of the kick drum. :biggrin: It seems to go away at various points throughout the song but its fun while its there.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9-yVdxbSs


Edited by xDezor - 4/19/14 at 2:19pm
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My limited edition gold X1's arrived yesterday! They made the yourney back from Hong Kong to their original hometown, Eindhoven, Netherlands. :biggrin:  I have no. 27. Does anyone know how many of these limited editions are made? Can not find any info on this. If nobody here knows I will send Philips an e-mail.

 

First, what a great looking headphone! Maybe not as classy compared to the original X1 but still very good. These are my first ´real´ headphones so I can´t compare SQ with other headphones. I've only used iems (Westone UM3X/UM Pro 50) for the past 5 years. My plan was to use the X1 with my laptop knowing this is an easy to drive headphone, but I was really not impressed using these straight out of my laptop. So I tried my Sony ZX1 and to my relief the X1 sounds much better straight out of the ZX1, at almost max volume but still. I think I will be looking for a good amp to pair with my laptop and the X1. :wink:

 

I have photos, many photos, but can''t post them because this is my first post. I will post them when I get permission. :p 


Edited by gus922 - 4/19/14 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by xDezor View Post
 

Custom pad's would be interesting, but I'm holding off until these start to show wear. I don't expect that to happen for at least another 2 or 3 years. How long have you had yours CoiL? Are you starting to see wear or are you just looking for better noise isolation? 

 

No wear. Just got them and I also think they should last fine for about 3-4 years at least but we can`t say it yet. Noise isolation is not the case about those cans. I`m changing them because I experimented with pressure on cans and angle and I want to take my ears closer to elements and instead memory foam using angled pads. I`m predicting that clarity and separation will improve and tightness of bass & kick also. I already have some experience with different pad materials and shapes so it will be easier for me to make ;) And I want to make them from dark-brown velour to match the headband.

Also maybe going to fiddle with that black back-grill and make semi-open wooden "grills".


Edited by CoiL - 4/19/14 at 4:17pm
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No wear. Just got them and I also think they should last fine for about 3-4 years at least but we can`t say it yet. Noise isolation is not the case about those cans. I`m changing them because I experimented with pressure on cans and angle and I want to take my ears closer to elements and instead memory foam using angled pads. I`m predicting that clarity and separation will improve and tightness of bass & kick also. I already have some experience with different pad materials and shapes so it will be easier for me to make ;) And I want to make them from dark-brown velour to match the headband.

Also maybe going to fiddle with that black back-grill and make semi-open wooden "grills".

 

Ah, I see. 

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I just bought the digital multimeter, similar to the ones owned by CoiL.

 

When I start it, the display shows the reading at 1. Is it okay or it should be 0?

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Yes, it`s ok. Just start measuring. It`s not rocket science ;)

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Below are ratings of X1 stock cables. I bought this HP from a member here and it is some 6 months old.

 

The box only mentions the year - 2012. 

 

X1 Stock Cable:
ground to terminal 1 through left driver - 37.0

ground to terminal 2 through right driver - 37.3

ground to ground = 3.5

terminal 1 to terminal 1 (right channel) = 2.7

terminal 2 to terminal 2 (left channel) = 3.0

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Fidelio X1 stock & upgrade cable measurements by owners (Click to show)
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Originally Posted by farhangleo View Post
 

Just received my X1s yesterday. The first thing I did was check the resistance of the stock cable. I have the V-Moda cable from my M100s to use as a reference. Rather than blindly follow what Tyll said, I decided to measure the cable resistance using my trusty DMM myself. Here's what I found:

 

Stock Cable:

ground to ground  - 0.8 ohms

ground to terminal 1 loop - 1.5 ohms

ground to terminal 2 loop - 1.7 ohms

ground - terminal 1 through left driver - 33.5 ohms

ground - terminal 2 through right driver - 34 ohms

 

V-Moda cable

ground to ground  - 0.6 ohms

ground to terminal 1 loop - 1.4 ohms

ground to terminal 2 loop - 1.8 ohms

ground - terminal 1 through left driver - 33 ohms

ground - terminal 2 through right driver - 34.5 ohms

 

From my findings, clearly, there is little to no difference between the resistance of the stock cable and the cable from V-Moda. I'm not sure if Tyll got an early production unit of the X1s or if I'm just lucky or if Philips has changed the cables on recent models. As for sonic differences, there are none, both through my ODAC+O2 combo and through my ODAC+WA3 combo.

 

I would suggest you carry out your own tests on the cables and see what you find. Just remember to subtract the lead resistance from your readings. For example, while measuring the ground to ground resistance, I got a reading of 1.8 ohm. The resistance of the leads is 1 ohm in series with 0.8 ohms of the cable. So the actual resistance of just the cable is 1.8 - 1 = 0.8 ohms.

 

Hope this helps.

 

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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

Bought it from forum member conquerator2 but I have documents and purchase date is 05-12-2013 and according to Philips webpage it`s manufactured in 2012 
(it actually says presented in 2012).

 

I took out X1 box again and measured stock cable again:

 

ground to terminal 1 through left driver - 34.6
ground to terminal 2 through right driver - 35.3

ground to ground = 2.3

terminal 1 to terminal 1 (right channel) = 2.4

terminal 2 to terminal 2 (left channel) = 2.3

 

 

I changed it to self-made Van Damme Pro Grade Classic XKE Pro-Patch cable (smaller OD), terminated with Neutrik Rean gold 3.5mm and Neutrik 6.35mm jacks.

 

ground to terminal 1 through left driver - 31.6
ground to terminal 2 through right driver - 32.2

ground to ground = 0.8

terminal 1 to terminal 1 (right channel) = 0.9

terminal 2 to terminal 2 (left channel) = 0.9

 

 

Difference between cables:

 

ground to terminal 1 through left driver = 3 
ground to terminal 2 through right driver = 3.1

ground to ground = 1.5

terminal 1 to terminal 1 (right channel) = 1.5

terminal 2 to terminal 2 (left channel) = 1.4

 

I`m trusting my ears ;)

 

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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post
 

Below are ratings of X1 stock cables. I bought this HP from a member here and it is some 6 months old.

 

The box only mentions the year - 2012. 

 

X1 Stock Cable:
ground to terminal 1 through left driver - 37.0

ground to terminal 2 through right driver - 37.3

ground to ground = 3.5

terminal 1 to terminal 1 (right channel) = 2.7

terminal 2 to terminal 2 (left channel) = 3.0

 

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Originally Posted by chartz View Post
 

Hi,

 

Mine measures 2.8 ohms, L, R and GND.

 

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

 

I made an upgrade cable using UPOCC wire and the impedance of my cable is .4Ohms. That's a ton less and it sounds better than the stock cable. I get a .2 measurement on the ground, 31Ohms on left, 32Ohms on right. The right channel fluctuates between 31 and 32Ohms,

 

I do get more bass control though. Everything else is about the same for the headphone. 

 

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...happen to have been measuring a couple of cables out of curiosity to other day. One of them was a 2m KabelDirect Pro Series from amazon.de, it looks to be the same as the one mentioned above. Measurements are as follows, following your notation for easy comparison:

 

"KabelDirekt Pro Series Klinkenkabel 2m"

 

Ground to terminal 1 through left driver - 31.2
Ground to terminal 2 through right driver - 31.7

Ground to ground = 0.8

Terminal 1 to terminal 1 (right channel) = 1.1

Terminal 2 to terminal 2 (left channel) = 1.1

 

(Measurements were pretty much the same for the "deleyCON" cable that has been mentioned on page 165 of this thread)

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While I was using the v-moda cable and listening to some records I was noticing an almost flabby low-end with a gloomy overall sound and before I completely gave up I tried a somewhat 'studio use' cable I had lying around with this and oh my, the sound improves immensly!! I can't believe how much it changes... it's like... such a tight sound now. Here's the cable in question http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-5mm-Mini-Jack-Cable-2m-Car-AUX-Cable-Stereo-Audio-Cable-1-8-Jacks-/130977154134?pt=AU_Pro_Audio&hash=item1e7ed8c456 so cheap!!

 
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Originally Posted by rwpritchett View Post

I took a gamble and purchased an aftermarket Fidelio X1 replacement cable off eBay from China (link). I'm fond of the way the X1 cable looks, so I was looking for a cable that looks nearly identical but would have lower impedance than the stock cable.

Shipping from China took 7 days to get delivered (USA). The cable appears to be an identical gauge as the stock cable. It is sleeved, but not with nylon so it doesn't feel or look as nice as the stock cable.

Here's the business end of the cable. The aftermarket cable has the same spring mechanism as the stock cable to prevent stress wear, though the spring is more tightly wound. Most of all, I'm very happy to now have a twist off 6.35mm instead of the bulky 3.5mm adapter that comes with the stock cable.


The headphone end of the cable is silver. It's a slight hue off from the silver on the X1, but a good enough match.


Several lengths of cable are available. I opted for the largest 3m cable. As you can see below, the impedance is much better than the stock cable. I don't have golden ears, but just a quick A/B test and I could tell the difference in sound.


So there you have it. If you are looking for a cheap replacement cable for your X1 that is similar in looks to the stock cable, this one might be a good option.

 

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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post

 

I`ve been asked how to measure cable impedance. Here is quick pictorial guide how to (right click on image > open in new tab/window to see larger image):

 

Self-made replacement cable measurements - Van Damme Pro Grade Classic XKE Pro-Patch (smaller OD) + Neutrik Rean gold 3.5mm + Neutrik 6.35mm jacks:

 

 

Fidelio X1 stock cable measurements:

 


Edited by CoiL - 7/21/14 at 9:14pm
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