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post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by Quest88 View Post

That's a good point. I've never been nagged not to buy anything before. :)

 

I guess things will be different if I were married, but can't see why your partner will try to limit you on your purchases if they are within your financial limits, especially if she buys stuff as well!

 

Yeah, me neither.  My better half is generally supportive of my insanity - as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.  Plus, she gets hand-me-down gear that is better than what she would otherwise have chosen for herself, so she wins too.

 

In the case of the OP, I think its a valid assertion to say that she is spending her time/money/resources on med school.  While Pingupenguins chooses to invest in audio gear and knowledge.  He is a member of the trade after all, so his purchases are indirectly related to his current field/profession.

 

Plus, who knows what the future holds.  While audiophilia is a hobby, many can and have made a career out of it (or in some way have monetized it to their benefit).  Maybe he'll be the next Tyll years from now?

post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

Maybe he'll be the next Tyll years from now?

 

Haha, thanks. I can only dream to be Tyll...

 

I'm young so I've still got enough time to change paths should this cave in or not be able to support a family.

post #33 of 44

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In the case of the OP, I think its a valid assertion to say that she is spending her time/money/resources on med school.  While Pingupenguins chooses to invest in audio gear and knowledge.  He is a member of the trade after all, so his purchases are indirectly related to his current field/profession.

 

Plus, who knows what the future holds.  While audiophilia is a hobby, many can and have made a career out of it (or in some way have monetized it to their benefit).  Maybe he'll be the next Tyll years from now?

 

That's very interesting. If he is in the trade, that changes everything.

 

Anyway, I re-read the original post and I'd like to share a little how me and my gf started out.. this was 4 years ago. She was always stronger in music appreciation than I was, as she learnt classical and plays the piano, but I think her patience and curiosity was what gave it all a chance.

 

She was patient enough to follow me week after week to audio shops to talk, listen and borrow gear for a period of 3 years until I settled into the current system (I went through like 5 pairs of speakers in this duration). She was also patient enough to sit with me as I tried more than 30 different cables at home, and help me discern differences, and lug gear about.. To some extent, we got hooked as we heard stuff we couldn't reason why was worth that much - it started off small, like with speakers, we started off at $1k to 5k, $10k, and it became $30k - $50k range that we'd listen to, and with some exposure at the 6 digit range (though we try not to listen too much :) ). I'd often try items that were beyond my original budget, just to see what the hype was about, and see if it was really worth that amount. While there were some misses in high-end gear, very often you do pay for performance. Because she hears everything in the audition process, she can understand the value of my existing setup even though it is expensive.

Back at the beginning, to be honest, we weren't so sensitive to changes yet so comparing things between price ranges was more about preference.. so maybe TS can expose her to greater things like through audio shops, hifi shows, etc. Once she gets 'shocked', she may find it worthwhile to compare the minor differences.


We also spend quite abit of time attending live performances, so we can get further appreciation of what's real. Looking at the performers and reading scripts help us connect better, even though sometimes it was a hit and miss. After having a good hifi, we also realise that if the seats are not good, or if the performance venue is sub-par (even in live unamplified performances in a small audience), very often we don't get as good as sound as the CD at home, and this makes us appreciate the system more.

 

Now that my system is quite good, I think she has become more lazy to help out in this aspect although we still do some minor things, as I still depend on her ears to confirm I'm not hearing a placebo (like hearing differences in harddisks for instance).

 

Audio to me is also social - for instance both yesterday, today and tomorrow I have sessions lined up where either I am visiting other people's places to help them tune, or they are visiting me to hear/learn. She may not attend all of these sessions (esp the ones at my home) but she is always curious about other people's setups - if not to hear different equipment combinations, sometimes its the price tag that makes her go as quite a few of my friends have setups of high 5 to 6 digit ranges and some are compulsive buyers that get the latest. It helps that she is part of the group where audio is the norm.

 

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Originally Posted by miskatonic grad View Post

...and I'm not going to drop a mortgage because for that kind of money I could attend the BSO for life.

 

While I can understand it, the only negative aspect of this is that many people are at their best for only a few years in their career. Certain events are only once in a lifetime, like when Horowitz went back to Russia, and Van Cliburn's performance during the Cold War. In my case, I felt many good performers like Arthur Rubinstein are gone, and there is just no way to listen to their music any longer except through a system.


So while I think it's important to keep up listening to live, hifi does give something we cannot get as well.


Edited by Quest88 - 8/3/12 at 5:46pm
post #34 of 44
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

I'm sorry, I don't mean to ask a stupid question - but what exactly is the negative in that scenario?  confused_face_2.gif

 

Sorry to backtrack, I wanted to share an example about the 'negative' which I am now experiencing.

I wanted to buy a closed headphone for her to listen while I am sleeping as the Stax just has too much noise leakage, but so far she has rejected every closed headphone we have tried due to her expectations.. we're lining up to hear the Fostex TH900, but that's the final piece we haven't heard. So even buying something can become difficult. Different sort of problem. :)

post #35 of 44
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Originally Posted by Quest88 View Post

 

Sorry to backtrack, I wanted to share an example about the 'negative' which I am now experiencing.

I wanted to buy a closed headphone for her to listen while I am sleeping as the Stax just has too much noise leakage, but so far she has rejected every closed headphone we have tried due to her expectations.. we're lining up to hear the Fostex TH900, but that's the final piece we haven't heard. So even buying something can become difficult. Different sort of problem. :)

 

IEM's? Customs? If you get customs she will never know. ;)

post #36 of 44
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Originally Posted by AudioDwebe View Post

Let me save you a lot of time:  Girls/ladies/women, for whatever reason, are generally not into audio, period.  They just don't care about it like we do.  I don't know why, but they don't.

 

Just take head-fi as an example.  There's, like, 50K male members and 4 or so women?  And one of the four is probably a guy pretending to be a girl. 

 

So thinking that you'll somehow be able to convince her to accept your hobby of audio as anything other than a total waste of time and money is naive. 

 

Many have come before you, tried, and failed.

 

Many will come after you, try, and fail.

 

Do you want to fail now or later...that is the question.

I lol'd at this. I "wonder" who you think that is!! LOL...he doesn't pretend really. His profile page and everything drops "suggestions" but if you really talk to him...it's a dude! And I beat him in a competiton!! Heck yea

post #37 of 44
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Originally Posted by Pingupenguins View Post

Haha, thanks. I can only dream to be Tyll...

 

I'm young so I've still got enough time to change paths should this cave in or not be able to support a family.

 

Hey you never know.  The Bithead essentially started as a DIY project.  Maybe you'll invent a whole new cabling system/technology? 

 

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Originally Posted by Quest88 View Post

That's very interesting. If he is in the trade, that changes everything.

 

Custom recabling.  But if you think about it, auditioning premium cans in their stock configuration is essential for him (for benchmarking/verification purposes).

 

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Originally Posted by Quest88 View Post

She was patient enough to follow me week after week to audio shops to talk, listen and borrow gear for a period of 3 years until I settled into the current system (I went through like 5 pairs of speakers in this duration). She was also patient enough to sit with me as I tried more than 30 different cables at home, and help me discern differences, and lug gear about.. To some extent, we got hooked as we heard stuff we couldn't reason why was worth that much - it started off small, like with speakers, we started off at $1k to 5k, $10k, and it became $30k - $50k range that we'd listen to, and with some exposure at the 6 digit range (though we try not to listen too much :) ). I'd often try items that were beyond my original budget, just to see what the hype was about, and see if it was really worth that amount. While there were some misses in high-end gear, very often you do pay for performance. Because she hears everything in the audition process, she can understand the value of my existing setup even though it is expensive.

Back at the beginning, to be honest, we weren't so sensitive to changes yet so comparing things between price ranges was more about preference.. so maybe TS can expose her to greater things like through audio shops, hifi shows, etc. Once she gets 'shocked', she may find it worthwhile to compare the minor differences.


We also spend quite abit of time attending live performances, so we can get further appreciation of what's real. Looking at the performers and reading scripts help us connect better, even though sometimes it was a hit and miss. After having a good hifi, we also realise that if the seats are not good, or if the performance venue is sub-par (even in live unamplified performances in a small audience), very often we don't get as good as sound as the CD at home, and this makes us appreciate the system more.

 

Now that my system is quite good, I think she has become more lazy to help out in this aspect although we still do some minor things, as I still depend on her ears to confirm I'm not hearing a placebo (like hearing differences in harddisks for instance).

 

So she pretty much considers it "mission accomplished" then?

 

Okay, here's an idea:  (1) orchestrate some kind of event where her friends take her out; (2) be sure to allow for enough time so that you can do a proper job; (3) obtain complete technical documents for the most integral component you have; (4) take a deep breath; (5) "break" that component (i.e. disable it in such a way as to be able to reverse the "damage" later for resale); (6) put on a sad puppy dog face (do NOT summon tears as it would be too over the top); (7) wait for her to come home.

 

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Originally Posted by Quest88 View Post

I wanted to buy a closed headphone for her to listen while I am sleeping as the Stax just has too much noise leakage, but so far she has rejected every closed headphone we have tried due to her expectations.. we're lining up to hear the Fostex TH900, but that's the final piece we haven't heard. So even buying something can become difficult. Different sort of problem. :)

 

LOL, good try.  That's like hearing a porn star complain about the banality of endless sex with beautiful women.  wink.gif  Seriously, and TBH, I could think of worse things to do than auditioning cans.

post #38 of 44
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Sorry to backtrack, I wanted to share an example about the 'negative' which I am now experiencing.
I wanted to buy a closed headphone for her to listen while I am sleeping as the Stax just has too much noise leakage, but so far she has rejected every closed headphone we have tried due to her expectations.. we're lining up to hear the Fostex TH900, but that's the final piece we haven't heard. So even buying something can become difficult. Different sort of problem. smily_headphones1.gif

Have you tried the 4070 yet? If she likes Stax...
post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

So she pretty much considers it "mission accomplished" then?

 

Okay, here's an idea:  (1) orchestrate some kind of event where her friends take her out; (2) be sure to allow for enough time so that you can do a proper job; (3) obtain complete technical documents for the most integral component you have; (4) take a deep breath; (5) "break" that component (i.e. disable it in such a way as to be able to reverse the "damage" later for resale); (6) put on a sad puppy dog face (do NOT summon tears as it would be too over the top); (7) wait for her to come home.

 

Sorry, don't quite get the meaning behind this.. :P

The most integral is my speakers really.. the 2nd might be my pre-amp which has a 5 year warranty.

I think it's too out of character. If I had a problem with my component I might use it as an excuse to upgrade. haha

 

The last time she had a problem with her stax amp and we took it for servicing, she listened to the higher end one at the shop and promptly said "no need to return the old one, let's take this home".

 

 

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LOL, good try.  That's like hearing a porn star complain about the banality of endless sex with beautiful women.  wink.gif  Seriously, and TBH, I could think of worse things to do than auditioning cans.


Grass is always greener on the other side. Just spent a little of yesterday afternoon in a headphone shop with her again. haha

 

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Have you tried the 4070 yet? If she likes Stax...

 

Unfortunately not, since it's out of production. Was even happy to buy blind but seems like very hard to get. :)

This was my first choice as well, since I don't have to buy another amp.

post #40 of 44

Alright guys. I broke major ground today with the LL + 009. I think she finally 'gets it' now. While she'd enjoyed the HD800s more than the LCD 2.2 she still had never reacted this way...

 

I made her try them out after being stunned by how good they were myself. She just sat there with an open mouth and started to say things like 'It's so freaky how I can hear every single hit and strum of the instruments.' and 'It's so good...'

 

I put on some Bowie for her (her favorite stuff) and she'd listen through a song, start to take them off, and I'd start another of her favorites and she'd just put them right back on. Did that for 5 songs or so. It was pretty fantastic.

post #41 of 44
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Alright guys. I broke major ground today with the LL + 009. I think she finally 'gets it' now. While she'd enjoyed the HD800s more than the LCD 2.2 she still had never reacted this way...

 

I made her try them out after being stunned by how good they were myself. She just sat there with an open mouth and started to say things like 'It's so freaky how I can hear every single hit and strum of the instruments.' and 'It's so good...'

 

I put on some Bowie for her (her favorite stuff) and she'd listen through a song, start to take them off, and I'd start another of her favorites and she'd just put them right back on. Did that for 5 songs or so. It was pretty fantastic.

To do list:

Buy SR009 and expensive amp and DAC to get future SO to approve of my thousand dollar hobby by getting best of the best......

post #42 of 44
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Alright guys. I broke major ground today with the LL + 009. I think she finally 'gets it' now. While she'd enjoyed the HD800s more than the LCD 2.2 she still had never reacted this way...

 

I made her try them out after being stunned by how good they were myself. She just sat there with an open mouth and started to say things like 'It's so freaky how I can hear every single hit and strum of the instruments.' and 'It's so good...'

 

I put on some Bowie for her (her favorite stuff) and she'd listen through a song, start to take them off, and I'd start another of her favorites and she'd just put them right back on. Did that for 5 songs or so. It was pretty fantastic.

 

 

Congrats, I don't think I'll ever be able to afford that setup, so it looks like I won't break major ground like you did. :P

post #43 of 44
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Alright guys. I broke major ground today with the LL + 009. I think she finally 'gets it' now. While she'd enjoyed the HD800s more than the LCD 2.2 she still had never reacted this way...

 

I made her try them out after being stunned by how good they were myself. She just sat there with an open mouth and started to say things like 'It's so freaky how I can hear every single hit and strum of the instruments.' and 'It's so good...'

 

I put on some Bowie for her (her favorite stuff) and she'd listen through a song, start to take them off, and I'd start another of her favorites and she'd just put them right back on. Did that for 5 songs or so. It was pretty fantastic.

 

Do me a favor.  Try it again on the HD800 w/ the dust covers removed.  Let us know if anything changes.

post #44 of 44
My wife usually understands my obsessions as long as I balance them with hers. So to get something expensive (including headphone gear of course), she also gets something nice. Not always the same cost, but I just need to spend something on her too.
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