"Mad Dog" by MrSpeakers, modified Fostex T50RP review
Jul 2, 2012 at 9:37 PM Post #256 of 6,388
I just got my Mad Dogs today and you can count me impressed. Wonderfully relaxed and involving at the same time. I actually think they still do fall to the "lush" side of the sound spectrum, although maybe not as much as the HD650. Overall, I find these headphones much more detailed and controlled (not boomy, muddy, or blurry) than my HD650 that I sold. Thanks a lot, Dan. 
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Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM Post #257 of 6,388
My Mad Dogs arrived today, too.  There are some variations between the T50RP mods - that's for sure.  I'll be back to provide some more comments at another time after I've had some sleep.
 
Jul 3, 2012 at 2:44 AM Post #259 of 6,388
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Just because the T50RP thread is over 100 pages long, is really not a reason to avoid it.  The thread was started about 3 years ago when the T50RP headphone was discovered for the wonderful potential to apply modifications to it, which would greatly enhance the sound.  Contributions of trial and error by many individuals using many different materials all reside in that thread.  However, as each day goes by, new and relevant information related to the process of making the headphones better does appear.
 
If my Mad Dogs arrive today, I'll be sure to get some impressions posted both in this thread, as well as the T50RP thread as I think it is quite relevant for those are considering one headphone vs. another.  But, within those 100 pages, as well as the "Wiki" link at the top of the forum, you'll see many contributions by Dan (MrSpeakers) - builder of the Mad Dogs as he contributed to the "Rastapants" variation of the T50RP modification process.

 
 
 
a while ago, i did try to read that thread but gave up after reading a few pages. by following the thread, do you mean i should start following it from now on or do you mean i should try to read it from page 1 to however long it is now?
 
Jul 3, 2012 at 3:47 AM Post #261 of 6,388
a while ago, i did try to read that thread but gave up after reading a few pages. by following the thread, do you mean i should start following it from now on or do you mean i should try to read it from page 1 to however long it is now?

That thread is enormous. Took me a week back when it was only 130 pages. Here is a summary thread http://www.head-fi.org/t/571549/fostex-t50rp-modification-summary-links


Can someone point me to Tylls' review?
Tyll has not reviewed them yet. In his July update he stated that he has tested them. Colgin has given the link to the measurements.
 
Jul 3, 2012 at 3:48 AM Post #262 of 6,388
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Can someone point me to Tylls' review?
 
Thanks

Tyll didn't really do a full review. He had very brief comments about Dan's offering.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelity-july-update
 
Jul 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM Post #263 of 6,388
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That thread is enormous. Took me a week back when it was only 130 pages. Here is a summary thread http://www.head-fi.org/t/571549/fostex-t50rp-modification-summary-links
Tyll has not reviewed them yet. In his July update he stated that he has tested them. Colgin has given the link to the measurements.

 
 
thank you, this is much better, i had no idea how to start following the whole 500+ pages
 
Jul 3, 2012 at 4:13 AM Post #264 of 6,388
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Not an exaggeration at all. If you were to read the T50RP thread you would understand why I have recommended this cable since I discovered it.

 
Yes, it not only sounds better it also fixes the drop outs permanently, feels better, is a better length, has an 1/8'' jack which I like.  Since Dan uses Deoxit there's less reason to buy a Vmoda cable.  But a can of deoxit costs the same amount as a Vmoda cable.  So unless you're pumping out lots of T50rp's, getting deoxit is a waste of money when you can have the other benefits for the same cost. 
 
Jul 3, 2012 at 5:22 AM Post #265 of 6,388
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Yes, it not only sounds better it also fixes the drop outs permanently, feels better, is a better length, has an 1/8'' jack which I like.  Since Dan uses Deoxit there's less reason to buy a Vmoda cable.  But a can of deoxit costs the same amount as a Vmoda cable.  So unless you're pumping out lots of T50rp's, getting deoxit is a waste of money when you can have the other benefits for the same cost. 

 
Yeah, if I were building just 1 I'd go with the V-Moda.
 
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Jul 3, 2012 at 5:24 AM Post #266 of 6,388
Just got back from taking my daughter to Disneyland for her birthday and saw Tyll's tests were out.  Nice!
 
Thanks to Tyll for taking the time to test the Mad Dog.  It's cool to see how closely his results line up with mine...  I put a lot of work into getting the test setup right it's nice to see it worked vs the "gold standard" in headphone testing.
 
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Jul 3, 2012 at 12:15 PM Post #267 of 6,388
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Just got back from taking my daughter to Disneyland for her birthday and saw Tyll's tests were out.  Nice!
 
Thanks to Tyll for taking the time to test the Mad Dog.  It's cool to see how closely his results line up with mine...  I put a lot of work into getting the test setup right it's nice to see it worked vs the "gold standard" in headphone testing.

 
Dan, When one considers all of the expenses involved - whether it be Paxmate, Newplast, Felts, etc., as well as the Shure 840 pads and the LABOR, then they can determine if it would be better to build their own, or buy something that's proven to work "right" as soon as it comes out of the box.  However, people really need to understand what their time is worth.  I know for myself, I can build a pair of modified Fostex headphones for $110, or $130 - with a new dual-entry cable and great connectors, etc.  However, when the TIME is considered, which, in my case, could break down to about 5 hours to do this work because of the various tuning adjustments that would be required, I don't think there is a valid case for me to build a modified pair of Fostex headphones. 
 
Whereas, you have a system in place.  Sure, you're providing a pair of headphones that are tuned towards a quite good frequency response and all of the headphones are built on a single standard with the Shure 840 pads, I'm sure your "involved" time is much less than my 5 hours of work.  But, you're doing this as a business.  As a business, one needs to make a profit, or the business can't survive.
 
In my personal opinion, buying the Mad Dogs and getting the optional leather head strap is a no-brainer.  Plus, the shipping charges are "real" shipping rates, not some inflated amount to get a few more bucks of profit off of the customer.
 
For what one gets with the Mad Dog headphones, they get a great pair of headphones that have been built with the right, and proven, modifications.  Keep in mind, that when people start a DIY project, some never complete it, or it always remains a "work in progress" project.  However, when getting the Mad Dogs, you get a completed pair of headphones where you don't have to roll your sleeves up and work on after a long day at work, or by sacrificing some free time during the weekends.  You get a "turn-key" pair of headphones that only requires you to open the shipping package and removed them from the inner white box (where foam protects the Fostex headphones during shipping), plug them in and start listening.
 
For the "newbie" who has received the Mad Dogs, I'll offer some sage advice.  You'll get home at the end of your day and see that you've received a package and get all excited.  You'll probably drop what you have in your hands and start ripping open the shipping box.  However, my recommendation would be to ease into these headphones a bit.  Unpack them, plug them in and play some music through them (while not wearing them) to get them loosened up or burned in a bit.  Go about your usual tasks - winding down from work and the commute home, have some dinner, spend time with the family, etc.  Then, after you've been home for about 3 hours, set aside some "me" time for yourself.  At that point, your mind will be cleared and you'll be ready for some regular relaxation on your part.  Select your favorite music and then put the Mad Dogs on and sit in your comfortable chair.  Play through your selections of your favorite music.  Carefully, listen to the Mad Dogs - hear how the bass responds with your music, listen how some of the percussion may move around the soundstage as you listen.  Focus on the vocals.  How do you think some of your favorite female singers sound?  Is their voice spot on, and just sounding like they are singing to you directly?
 
Doing what I've described, will provide you with the best listening experience that you can get with these headphones.  All too often, I've done the opposite.  I've dropped everything and headed straight into the listening.  I realize it wasn't the best thing for me to do as I was still a bit wound up from the work-day and the commute.  However, when I listen after I've had some time at home to adjust a bit from the day and spend time with the family, then the music listening moments that I have later on are 100% better.   Plus, your initial impression of the Mad Dogs will be 100% better, too, because you've been able to provide the headphones with your complete focus and you've been able to take in much more of the listening experience and it will be more meaningful and enjoyable to you.
 
Enjoy !!
 
Jul 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM Post #269 of 6,388
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Dan, When one considers all of the expenses involved - whether it be Paxmate, Newplast, Felts, etc., as well as the Shure 840 pads and the LABOR, then they can determine if it would be better to build their own, or buy something that's proven to work "right" as soon as it comes out of the box.  However, people really need to understand what their time is worth.  I know for myself, I can build a pair of modified Fostex headphones for $110, or $130 - with a new dual-entry cable and great connectors, etc.  However, when the TIME is considered, which, in my case, could break down to about 5 hours to do this work because of the various tuning adjustments that would be required, I don't think there is a valid case for me to build a modified pair of Fostex headphones. 
 
Whereas, you have a system in place.  Sure, you're providing a pair of headphones that are tuned towards a quite good frequency response and all of the headphones are built on a single standard with the Shure 840 pads, I'm sure your "involved" time is much less than my 5 hours of work.  But, you're doing this as a business.  As a business, one needs to make a profit, or the business can't survive.
 
In my personal opinion, buying the Mad Dogs and getting the optional leather head strap is a no-brainer.  Plus, the shipping charges are "real" shipping rates, not some inflated amount to get a few more bucks of profit off of the customer.
 
For what one gets with the Mad Dog headphones, they get a great pair of headphones that have been built with the right, and proven, modifications.  Keep in mind, that when people start a DIY project, some never complete it, or it always remains a "work in progress" project.  However, when getting the Mad Dogs, you get a completed pair of headphones where you don't have to roll your sleeves up and work on after a long day at work, or by sacrificing some free time during the weekends.  You get a "turn-key" pair of headphones that only requires you to open the shipping package and removed them from the inner white box (where foam protects the Fostex headphones during shipping), plug them in and start listening.
 
For the "newbie" who has received the Mad Dogs, I'll offer some sage advice.  You'll get home at the end of your day and see that you've received a package and get all excited.  You'll probably drop what you have in your hands and start ripping open the shipping box.  However, my recommendation would be to ease into these headphones a bit.  Unpack them, plug them in and play some music through them (while not wearing them) to get them loosened up or burned in a bit.  Go about your usual tasks - winding down from work and the commute home, have some dinner, spend time with the family, etc.  Then, after you've been home for about 3 hours, set aside some "me" time for yourself.  At that point, your mind will be cleared and you'll be ready for some regular relaxation on your part.  Select your favorite music and then put the Mad Dogs on and sit in your comfortable chair.  Play through your selections of your favorite music.  Carefully, listen to the Mad Dogs - hear how the bass responds with your music, listen how some of the percussion may move around the soundstage as you listen.  Focus on the vocals.  How do you think some of your favorite female singers sound?  Is their voice spot on, and just sounding like they are singing to you directly?
 
Doing what I've described, will provide you with the best listening experience that you can get with these headphones.  All too often, I've done the opposite.  I've dropped everything and headed straight into the listening.  I realize it wasn't the best thing for me to do as I was still a bit wound up from the work-day and the commute.  However, when I listen after I've had some time at home to adjust a bit from the day and spend time with the family, then the music listening moments that I have later on are 100% better.   Plus, your initial impression of the Mad Dogs will be 100% better, too, because you've been able to provide the headphones with your complete focus and you've been able to take in much more of the listening experience and it will be more meaningful and enjoyable to you.
 
Enjoy !!

Fantastic dating advice dude...I'm taking note of that. 
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But yeah, that does seem like a great way of winding oneself down and dropping subjective preconceptions and focusing in on analytical listening while staying comfy. Will try it sometime going through my measly hp collection in the future.
 

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