cardozo
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Just wanted to chime in -- my Pico DAC works perfectly with my Galaxy S3. It's just a simple plug and play
Why would you use a separate DAC with S3? Even the Galaxy S DAC sounds better than majority of <1000$ standalone DAC's. Definitely sounds as good as Musical Fidelity M1DAC, confirmed in blind tests, with very good amplifier and headphones. So S3 should be better, just use a good amp with it.
Why would you use a separate DAC with S3? Even the Galaxy S DAC sounds better than majority of <1000$ standalone DAC's. Definitely sounds as good as Musical Fidelity M1DAC, confirmed in blind tests, with very good amplifier and headphones. So S3 should be better, just use a good amp with it.
For me, the headphone out sounds a bit anemic, and I always abide by the golden rule of not amping something that is already amped - as such, using the E7/E11 combo sounds substantially better than the head-out to the E11 on its own...
Actually the only 'confirmed in blind tests' source(s) for this are 2 threads started by you. While it's great that you've provided useful info like that in your threads (and in a fairly analytical and detailed manner), it's just one person's experiments with the Galaxy S, their music, amp and cans (not to mention ears). I don't see it as a reason (so early on) for other people to not bother working out how to use an external DAC with the Galaxy S3. Maybe he's confirmed that the S3 sounds better with the pico (at least with his cans, music etc)?
Anyway, thanks akwok for letting people know that the pico works with the S3 so there's a more complete list available for people trying to figure out which DAC/Amp devices are compatible with the S3.
Edit: Here's the links to derbigpr's threads. Both are great reads and provide interesting food for thought:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/616438/samsung-galaxy-s-vs-musical-fidelity-m1dac-unbelievable-does-my-dac-work
http://www.head-fi.org/t/616486/how-to-make-sure-if-the-dac-is-working
^I'm just confused how S3+Amp (or Galaxy S as per your tests) alone can be be better than standalone DAC+Amp.
Because the part that matters in a DAC, is the chip itself, not the heavy, fancy looking metal case with a table sized circuit board with lots of useless and unnecessary additional components that don't improve the sound. I'm not saying Galaxy S + Bellari Ha540 is better than M1DAC + Bellari Ha540, I'm saying is absolutely identical, down to the slightest nuance possible to hear by undamaged young ears. On paper DAC in M1 is superior, but those advantaged its got, are beyond the point of diminishing return, and in order to be experienced, I'd probably need a seriously high end headphone + amp setup.
Are you saying that once you get to around 100db SNR (the S3's DAC), the diminishing returns are so large that one can't tell the difference (if only in a macro view of the overall listening experience) with fairly affordable equipment (<$500 for cans and amp?)
Yes, not that the SNR is the only thing that matters, but yes it is true that diminishing returns are too large. Do you honestly think that you or anyone could hear a hiss so quiet it would be barely audible without the music playing, WHEN the music is playing at 100db or higher loudness? Or notice the difference between 110 or 100 db SNR? No chance, not with human ears.