I want to have a baby! Anyone help? (Reps please read)
Apr 22, 2012 at 1:12 PM Post #31 of 97
 
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Lol that does sound pretty awesome but maybe a bit excessive.
I contacted UM to ask about getting a demo Merlin before i buy, but he said they weren't fit for purpose lol - guess only way to find out is to buy and wait 2-3 months!
Might buy the IE80 and add it to the miracle or Starky SA-43 (need a Norway contact lol), would be worried about mid-bass hump of IE8 corrupting everything else...
And aren't Rooth and UM the same company in the same building?

 
 same thing that I remembered from some distant discussion on head-fi.... I think they are different branches of a bigger company, so they don't interact with each other... (might share some machines?)
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 1:13 PM Post #32 of 97
 
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wow you are actually going to do it? If it is possible plz tell us how they sound! I've been very curious about the result since the choice was avaibale.

 
If it is possible I will give a try. 
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 Still waiting for the answer from Stephen.
 
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Nah, they are not the same company although they were located in the same building. As I know currently UM lab is moving to another place.
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 1:25 PM Post #33 of 97
 
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If it is possible I will give a try. 
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 Still waiting for the answer from Stephen.
 
@leothurpv
 
Nah, they are not the same company although they were located in the same building. As I know currently UM lab is moving to another place.

 
 
yeah.. Rooth and UM are just different branches....
 
They are still moving? hmm I thought they started at the very beginning of april..
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 1:45 PM Post #35 of 97
Yeah that is true, when I asked Rooth Labs for a price list, they forwarded my email to UM 
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 8:20 PM Post #38 of 97
By the way, this sort of thing has been done before by UM. I think it was Stephan Guo (iirc) who had a 10 driver per side and one other multi-multi driver custom made. Naturally, they didn't sound good and he sold them both. In fact, I believe they have been bought and sold several times now as the cycle of poorly informed people who think that you glue in lots of drivers ha ha wow and then oh, this sounds awful repeats itself.
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM Post #39 of 97
By the way, this sort of thing has been done before by UM. I think it was Stephan Guo (iirc) who had a 10 driver per side and one other multi-multi driver custom made. Naturally, they didn't sound good and he sold them both. In fact, I believe they have been bought and sold several times now as the cycle of poorly informed people who think that you glue in lots of drivers ha ha wow and then oh, this sounds awful repeats itself.


Being a forum full of what i thought were intelligent well informed persons, I didn't think i'd have to state the obvious - perhaps that was an oversight as a few people simply haven't got it...

Obviously quantity isn't quality, but BA and Dynamic drivers aren't identical - which is why so many hybrids are emerging. This is the way IEMs are evolving anyway - it seems only sensible to speculate that if you take two headphones exceptional in their own ways (e.g. Lows and trebles), and get them to breed (with careful tweaking) that it would produce a prodigal child.

I certainly don't think anyone here was suggesting cellotaping two headphones into the same body and expecting it to be better! No, careful engineering of two IEMs into one work of audio art.

The advantage of this, would be the joining of patented technology that both companies possess but normally would never share. For the consumer - a WIN-WIN situation.
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM Post #41 of 97
MG7 is the upgraded driver version of the MG5...  The MG5 is a universal "equivalent" of the MG6pro.  The MG6 pro costs 1000 dollars, the MG5 is approximately 150-210.  Guestimate which is better.  However remember, fitting the the MG6pro and the IE80 will have different results and will not necessarily be synergistic.  Plus, that'll be a GIANT CIEM.
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Just reading the thorough reviews of the MG6pro - DUDE! IE80 and MG6pro with one or two BA for ultra highs and that'd be awesome (unless the MG7 is better - haven't seen the reviews yet lol) i'd be happy for a long time with that ^

 
 
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM Post #42 of 97
 
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Being a forum full of what i thought were intelligent well informed persons,

Well, here's your problem...
 
 
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- it seems only sensible to speculate that if you take two headphones exceptional in their own ways (e.g. Lows and trebles), and get them to breed (with careful tweaking) that it would produce a prodigal child.
The advantage of this, would be the joining of patented technology that both companies possess but normally would never share. For the consumer - a WIN-WIN situation.

See, if you take the front end of an Minivan and the back end of a pick up, that could only lead to the world's most perfect vehicle, right?
 

For the consumer - a WIN-WIN situation.
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM Post #43 of 97
 
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Being a forum full of what i thought were intelligent well informed persons,

Well, here's your problem...
 
 
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- it seems only sensible to speculate that if you take two headphones exceptional in their own ways (e.g. Lows and trebles), and get them to breed (with careful tweaking) that it would produce a prodigal child.
The advantage of this, would be the joining of patented technology that both companies possess but normally would never share. For the consumer - a WIN-WIN situation.

See, if you take the front end of an Minivan and the back end of a pick up, that could only lead to the world's most perfect vehicle, right?
 

For the consumer - a WIN-WIN situation.



Well no, an idiot Simply glued the two together, was it you? You seem tiresomely incapable of grasping that nobody is suggesting a botched job of glueing more drivers into one body.

But if you took a beautiful girl who was horrid and coupled that with a wonderful personality from a fat girl, tweaked out the bad stuff, its a WIN-WIN lol though I won't say for the consumer...

Seriously though, after my prior explanation if you still don't understand then i'm not going to waste more time re-itterating it for your benefit.
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM Post #44 of 97
I don't mean to annoy you, but your whole understanding is wrong. It's kinda funny to say it that way, but it's true.
 
The driver is only one part of why an earphone sounds the way it does. Taking the driver out of the context of the cable and/or acoustic filters and/or electronic filters, housing/shell materials, etc doesn't give you anything--it certainly doesn't give you the bass/mids/treble/whatever from a given earphone. You can't just glue it together with another driver which has the bass/mids/treble/whatever from some other headphone and somehow get anything that magically sounds like both. The tuning process is not nearly as easy as you are describing.
 
An example: One well known earphone company went and changed the materials that held the transducers in place (a more complex version of the "glue", if you will). This changed the sound enough that the iem was considered to be a new generation and rightfully so, as it had tuned the sound differently in several ways.
 
Just as the correct answer to someone who says "well, why can't we just add some gorilla dna to humans and then we'd be super strong?" is "that's not the way it works, there's a lot about genetics you'd need to know before you would have the background to understand why it's not that simple", here the only real answer is "that's not the way it works..."
 
 
 
Apr 23, 2012 at 1:37 AM Post #45 of 97
 
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I don't mean to annoy you, but your whole understanding is wrong. It's kinda funny to say it that way, but it's true.
 
The driver is only one part of why an earphone sounds the way it does. Taking the driver out of the context of the cable and/or acoustic filters and/or electronic filters, housing/shell materials, etc doesn't give you anything--it certainly doesn't give you the bass/mids/treble/whatever from a given earphone. You can't just glue it together with another driver which has the bass/mids/treble/whatever from some other headphone and somehow get anything that magically sounds like both. The tuning process is not nearly as easy as you are describing.
 
An example: One well known earphone company went and changed the materials that held the transducers in place (a more complex version of the "glue", if you will). This changed the sound enough that the iem was considered to be a new generation and rightfully so, as it had tuned the sound differently in several ways.
 
Just as the correct answer to someone who says "well, why can't we just add some gorilla dna to humans and then we'd be super strong?" is "that's not the way it works, there's a lot about genetics you'd need to know before you would have the background to understand why it's not that simple", here the only real answer is "that's not the way it works..."
 
 


I'd love to have some gorilla DNA in me to be stronger.
I'm might just end up eating leaves and picking my belly button all day though.
 
So kind of like me now, but if I ate more lettuce.
 

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