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post #12391 of 18086
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They assume that the peaky treble comes across as clear I suppose. Or conspiracy theorist would say that if this hp didn't have a bit of peaky treble it would compete with hp's more expensive in their own product line. 

post #12392 of 18086
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

They assume that the peaky treble comes across as clear I suppose. Or conspiracy theorist would say that if this hp didn't have a bit of peaky treble it would compete with hp's more expensive in their own product line. 

 

I don't think the foam ring has much to do with the treble, but I could be wrong.

post #12393 of 18086
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post

Ok I just removed the foam part (not going for the full blown jergmod quite yet, as I don't have the velour pads). I'm just wondering why the manufacturer would stick the foam in there, if the treble (or sound in general) is better without it. Can anyone answer this question?

The foam is there to add distance for your ears. Since there aren't many holes on the pleathers to begin with (only 4 tiny holes IIRC), the foam doesn't affect the sound quality as much as the change in distance does from removing it. For example, if the pads didn't have foam but were more firm, allowing for a similar distance between your ear and the driver as a stock pad with the foam, I would expect there to be hardly any sonic differences. The big differences are from cutting more holes in the pads.

 

Also, the velour top isn't necessary (IMO). It will help with comfort if you prefer velour to pleather though. Feel free to do the three remaining steps of the jerg mod with your stock pleathers, I highly recommend it.

post #12394 of 18086

Ok I just stuck the foam rings back in because the sound became congested. I think it has to do with the spacing of the ears and yeah it may impact treble somewhat, I didn't notice much. But removing the foam and thus placing the ears closer to the drivers DEFINITELY impacted the overall sound negatively. 

 

I would recommend not doing the foam mod ALONE. 

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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post

Ok I just stuck the foam rings back in because the sound became congested. I think it has to do with the spacing of the ears and yeah it may impact treble somewhat, I didn't notice much. But removing the foam and thus placing the ears closer to the drivers DEFINITELY impacted the overall sound negatively. 

 

I would recommend not doing the foam mod ALONE. 

 

No you need to remove the foam and perform parts 1 and 4 of the jergmod.... Just do it trust me. bigsmile_face.gif

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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post

Ok I just stuck the foam rings back in because the sound became congested. I think it has to do with the spacing of the ears and yeah it may impact treble somewhat, I didn't notice much. But removing the foam and thus placing the ears closer to the drivers DEFINITELY impacted the overall sound negatively. 

 

I would recommend not doing the foam mod ALONE. 


I'd tend to agree with you, but it makes the bass bloom more (dunno if that is the correct term), and you have to get used to that. I had to... Personally, I think it is better w/o the foam rings, but I did like the drier and less intimate/congested bass with the foam rings better.. As I remember, but that was months ago... And with the HE-500 btw.

post #12397 of 18086

You need to do the damping mods and remove the rings... With just the rings removed it does not have the same effect, as you say it is possibly worse if you just remove the foam spacers and do not do any mods.

post #12398 of 18086

Good idea Thujone, thank you

post #12399 of 18086
Alright sorry guys for posting a lot.

Even when I eq (in iTunes -10db for 8k range) I still get that tizz in the treble that makes me wince with pain. Although it is significantly reduced.

My he400 has about 40 hrs on her. Should I wait out til the 150? Will that tizz go away some? My ears just ring a lot more (I have tinnitus) when I listen to these.

I was thinking about switching to the 500 or return and wait out til I can afford LCD2.

My ears I guess just cannot handle distortion in the treble.

See, I can't jergmod bc I may need to return the headphones if the tizz doesn't go away.

Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post

Alright sorry guys for posting a lot.

Even when I eq (in iTunes -10db for 8k range) I still get that tizz in the treble that makes me wince with pain. Although it is significantly reduced.

My he400 has about 40 hrs on her. Should I wait out til the 150? Will that tizz go away some? My ears just ring a lot more (I have tinnitus) when I listen to these.

I was thinking about switching to the 500 or return and wait out til I can afford LCD2.

My ears I guess just cannot handle distortion in the treble.

See, I can't jergmod bc I may need to return the headphones if the tizz doesn't go away.

Thoughts?

 

Jergmod + EQ makes it a lot better. Although I am sure that the LCD2 will be better.

post #12401 of 18086
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post

Alright sorry guys for posting a lot.

Even when I eq (in iTunes -10db for 8k range) I still get that tizz in the treble that makes me wince with pain. Although it is significantly reduced.

My he400 has about 40 hrs on her. Should I wait out til the 150? Will that tizz go away some? My ears just ring a lot more (I have tinnitus) when I listen to these.

I was thinking about switching to the 500 or return and wait out til I can afford LCD2.

My ears I guess just cannot handle distortion in the treble.

See, I can't jergmod bc I may need to return the headphones if the tizz doesn't go away.

Thoughts?

If your eqing the treble spikes down 10db and the tizz still bothers you, maybe try speakers lol. I don't really notice the treble spikes after dropping 4db.
post #12402 of 18086

Don't EQ the 8db region in iTunes down so much, you only get a limited number of bars, and EQ'ing 10db down at 8khz will most likely affect all your midrange up to 8khz.  Try EQ'ing 16khz down 8db and 8khz down by maybe 4-6db.

 

That's still too drastic for my taste but it should be better.

post #12403 of 18086

Sorry about your wallet beerchug.gif

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You guys have convinced me - I just ordered my pair :D 

post #12404 of 18086

What type of EQ are people using with the HE-400?

I've seen a few posts in here, most seem to tone the treble down somewhat, I'm included in that group:
 


I obviously have a preference towards a warmer sound cool.gif

post #12405 of 18086


Here's mine :D
Seems to work perfectly, but I'm open to suggestions.

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