[waynes world]

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Edit: I don't really care if it's IEM, on-ear or over-ear, it''s all about the sound, with a restricted budget

 
I don't have the ES700's, but from everything I've heard, they are wonderful. And so are the Basso's imo. The Bassos are most likely more V shaped, and the ES700's will have more forward mids. Both are excellent value for the $. Depends on your signature preference and other preferences.

 

[waynes world]

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The PortaPro's are similar in that regard, but the S500's are more on the sub bass side IMO. You're right about the price difference though..

 
Looking at the below FR graphs, I think you're right about the S500 and sub-bass. The "thump thump" aspect of the S500's bass is strong. I always thought that was mid-bass, but maybe that is that sub-bass? 
 
Here's some graphs in in question (too bad I can't find the WS99's FR graph):
 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/PhilipsFidelioX1.pdf
 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/KossPortaPro.pdf
 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/JVCHAS500Z.pdf

 

[FraGGleR]

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Anyone else find it suspicious about these higher voltage output versions of GEEK (for more $) in addition to color options?  I feel like we're getting bait and switched here; what happened to making a commercially viable product and selling it at a specific price point?  Weird that they were so cautious before about abiding by kickstarter rules.

I posted this in the comments but my intuition tells me the only added expense is sourcing a few different parts for the power increase.  Why not start with the best part for the job and offer gain settings?

Will await for a better response but I wouldn't "fund" them further for something like this...

I've seen similar things like this in past KS projects that I have backed. Features are added as funding grows. I don't see anything too shady about it. On their blog they said something about sound quality decreasing too much if they had to attenuate for IEMs on the full power one.

 

[journeyy]

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Looking at the below FR graphs, I think you're right about the S500 and sub-bass. The "thump thump" aspect of the S500's bass is strong. I always thought that was mid-bass, but maybe that is that sub-bass? 
 
Here's some graphs in in question (too bad I can't find the WS99's FR graph):
 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/PhilipsFidelioX1.pdf
 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/KossPortaPro.pdf
 
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/JVCHAS500Z.pdf

 
The "thump" is a combination of mid bass/sub bass i think. If you take the sub bass out of the mix there will only be a "tok tok" left. But there's also stuff happening entirely in the sub bass range, especially in EDM and to a degree classical music, not so much in rock music etc.

 

[doctorjazz]

No posts in almost 24 hours? I think the world is coming to an end 

In order not to let it get any longer without a post, here's the link to my favorite power pop band of the moment...(playing soon in Brooklyn)
 
http://vimeo.com/7581382

 

[Dsnuts]

This week is indeed a slow one. Our Onkyo earphones are not where they should be at the moment and I will reveal more of what is happening with them but all in due time. On another note I decided to go ahead and try out some new cables for my X1. Thanks to ericp who discovered these Zu cables. I read words such as. "Lovefest" "better clarity, bass tighter, sound more involving." Says DannyBai. How could I not try this. I am guilty of falling into peer pressure.

Manufacturer says burn in these for 400 hours? Lol
 
BURN-IN
Mission miniphone to RCA will sound a bit grainy and possibly a bit harsh in the presence region when new, compared to how they will sound after burn-in. Nothing special is required, just play your music, enjoy the better fidelity than the junk cable you were using, and know that after several weeks of lots of play your Zu Mission will sound even better. (Full burned in is at least 400 hours, mainly due to the PTFE Teflon insulation which is used exclusively on the Mission miniphone to miniphone. For the possible hows and whys about burn-in please see our

 

[dnullify]

I found out what happened to my Onkyos... Ah well patience is everything.

 

[Dsnuts]

This came into my email.. Some new specs and a very interesting test of the line out of the GEEK..
 

  Larry Ho. Is Geeking out.! By the way he was responsible for the Asus Xonar Essence STX.

 

[doctorjazz]

DS-I went for this 2 nights ago, the original version. Did you go for higher power? I haven't gotten any of these updates yet-he said the link for the music was at the end of the video, but I didn't catch it, I'd be curious to check it out (my experience, though, is that it is often esoteric music that may not be of much interest). Thanks

 

[Dsnuts]

I am very much debating if I am gonna need that much power or not. The way I see it this thing clearly has a line out. Which means I will be able to hook up any of my amps to it. But it is the idea that this tiny little dac/ amp can and will power more power hungry phones straight from the device without the added need of additional amps which may or may not add more coloration to the sounds.  
 
I think if I was gonna upgrade to a more powerful Geek. It would have to be the super geek and not the Super Duper geek. Lets be honest here if you own a high end headphone I doubt your only gonna have a GEEK to use for your source.
 
You gotta look at what phones you use and what your gonna use the GEEK for and you might not need any of the upgraded more powerful versions at all. Just because it has more volume doesn't mean it will sound any better. Ultimately they are all the same product..I think the stock version is going to be just fine. If you feel the need to up the power. I say the Super at the most.. How often do you use your sources at max volume anyway.?

 

[Dsnuts]

In addition I would like to add. I have my Meridian Explorer. Power output rated at 130mW @ 16 Ohm . I don't recall ever maxing out the volume at all. The stock Geek will have a crazy 450mW @ 30 Ohm. I dont even think I am gonna need the Super geek to be honest That is plenty of volume. It is already at almost 4X the volume of the Dragonfly.  I don't recall anyone complaining about the lack of volume power for both the Dragonfly or the Meridian Explorer.
 
The added volume is nice but I am starting to think that extra $30 would be better spent somewhere else.

 

[doctorjazz]

Gavin replied to a message I sent him (very nice)...he said they are identical except for the power, not to bother unless you need to drive high impedance 'phones,>100 ohms. Imostly use iem's, which should be an easy load. The 2 hp's Iam concerned about are  the AT A-900x (don't know the specs) and the Senn HP-650, which are 300 ohns according to specs @ the Headroom site (Gavin sent the link). Seems like the increased power may be needed for these, particularly the Senn's...though that still leaves the question, if so, is the mid level sufficient or do I need the maxed out version? (I emailed Gavin again, let you know what I hear).

 

[doctorjazz]

If I understand this stuff at all (and that's iffy), it's not just a question of volume, you might be able to get volume out of a cheap or low powered amp driving difficult speakers, for example, but the sound would be adversly affected, distortion, loss of fidelity, that sort of thing. Could be wrong, that's what I gather from the audiophile world...

 

[waynes world]

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No posts in almost 24 hours? I think the world is coming to an end 

In order not to let it get any longer without a post, here's the link to my favorite power pop band of the moment...(playing soon in Brooklyn)
 
http://vimeo.com/7581382

 
Great song and great video! Looking forward to finding more from Valley Lodge. Thanks.

 

[sfwalcer]

^ Damn it all this talk about this magical little geek dac made me wish i was aware of it when the $99 option was still available. T_T
 
Oh well, don't listen on my comp enough to warrant a purchase, but still..... seems like an amazing deal.

 
edit: yeah boi!!!! The X1s has finally shipped this week, can't wait to get my dirty lil' hands on them.

 
.... again.