bowei006 said:

  Dang.....don't know what you are doing to come to a conclusion that you need a few grand in just parts costs for a server

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Seriously. I have two HP servers sitting my garage doing absolutely nothing and I got them for free. Just had to add memory and storage.

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mechgamer123 said:

  Oh, so you're graduating after this year or taking time off to do an internship?

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latter, I'll be finishing my degree after the internship.
 

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Ah I see. No offense, I don't know how different the culture is in HK from the US but most of my friends that said they were taking a break from school and would go back and get their degree "later" never finished. 
 

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mechgamer123 said:

Which is exactly why I was advocating for better high ISO performance from DSLRs when mirrorless cameras can do it so much better in the same price range, even though other people were saying it's not necessary, because when would you ever need to use an ISO value that high? 

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I don't need that high of ISO tho. ISO 2000 is still good on the D7100, I just typically don't like using over ISO 1000. I had to use ISO 2000 for some of those taiko drum photos for sure though because I needed a faster shutter speed.

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Oh right, your DSLR actually lets you shoot at more than just a couple of canned settings like mine does... >.>
 

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deadlylover said:

   
You could probably build like 3-4 decent PC's for that money. I'd hate to see everything grind to a halt when a fault develops.
 
Ehhhh 4k+ is a lot of money but not if you stretch it out to 5+ years or so, it just hurts in terms of value.
 
If you make money with your computer go for it, if you're a hobbyist with absolutely no better ways to spend/invest the money go for it, otherwise you should think about getting 80% of the performance for 30% the price or something. I wonder if a 5820k rig will do?
 
I probably shouldn't be one to talk because I've spent quite a lot of money on my lab, but then again it helps pay the bills so it's kinda sorta okay. XD

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I guess having this for a software developer would be like having a stockpiles of spare parts.
it doesn't really generate money directly but if you've ever got an idea, you can easily try it out without much hassle.
That and 1 high-end computer can be used as many low-ends ones but it doesn't work the other way around.
 
Though I should probably ask if any of my friends wanna pitch in on this because I won't be using all compute resources at all times.
 

bowei006 said:

  Dang.....don't know what you are doing to come to a conclusion that you need a few grand in just parts costs for a server

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Mainly cloud gaming (I'm a laptop user and probably always will be)
Also stuff like media processing / analysis, waifu2x and other neuro net programs.
(media = Anime, CGs, Anisongs/OSTs)
 

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Since we're on the topic, check out whatanime.ga
It's an anime image reverse lookup tool developed by a friend of mine.
It works by indexing frames from thousands of anime and looking up those hashes from a search server (don't remember if he used elastic search or solr).
Be warned that a lot of hentai OVAs are also indexed in that same database.

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Hmm, what about something like this? http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/
 
Dayum, do you use that many computing resources so often? :O
 
Wow, that looks crazy awesome! Where is he hosting that server where he can just index that much anime???

akiroz said:

  I guess having this for a software developer would be like having a stockpiles of spare parts.
it doesn't really generate money directly but if you've ever got an idea, you can easily try it out without much hassle.
 
Though I should probably ask if any of my friends wanna pitch in on this because I won't be using all compute resources at all times.

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Hmmmm trying out ideas doesn't sound very confident, because if you're just trying things out then you can wait a bit longer for compiling/rendering. XD
 
If something takes 10 hours, what's another couple of hours going to hurt? (Do things even take that long for most tasks in day to day use?, I don't have a clue about software development =P)
 
I'd also imagine 6 cores screaming along at 4.2ghz+ might be faster in most(all?) tasks than 10 cores at 2.3ghz, especially for things that aren't well optimised for multi threaded performance.
 
But even stock, I'm not seeing a big difference, have look at some benchmarks here. Even if we cherry pick there are only a few things where the Xeon pulls ahead by 30%, I don't think that's worth an extra $1000 or more. 
 
Taking all that into consideration, it just seems like pure overkill waste and is a step backwards in some respects. I think it's better to go with the 5820k and divert the funds into more important things, and you're gonna have to sell me on getting workstation class graphics cards, what exactly are you using them for again? (next gen is around the corner, better wait for them because it's quite the process jump) 
 
I've learnt the hard way that stockpiling unnecessary stuff is reaaaal bad. Cash flow is your highest priority and every single dollar that you spend must have a clear purpose into directly improving it. If you haven't made a cent using your PC/Laptop/whatever then it's just an expensive toy, and you should view it as such.
 
Like mechy said going for used Xeons is a very enticing option, because in my eyes it's only being used for hobbyist purposes so duck and weave all you can!

deadlylover said:

 

akiroz said:

  I guess having this for a software developer would be like having a stockpiles of spare parts.
it doesn't really generate money directly but if you've ever got an idea, you can easily try it out without much hassle.
 
Though I should probably ask if any of my friends wanna pitch in on this because I won't be using all compute resources at all times.

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Hmmmm trying out ideas doesn't sound very confident, because if you're just trying things out then you can wait a bit longer for compiling/rendering. XD
 
I've learnt the hard way that stockpiling unnecessary stuff is reaaaal bad. Cash flow is your highest priority and every single dollar that you spend must have a clear purpose into directly improving it. If you haven't made a cent using your PC/Laptop/whatever then it's just an expensive toy, and you should view it as such.
 
Like mechy said going for used Xeons is a very enticing option, because in my eyes it's only being used for hobbyist purposes so duck and weave all you can!

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Honestly I think he just wants to do hentai@home and is using all this other stuff as an excuse. XD
 
Do you really need your own custom firewall, hypervisor level access, and all that jazz for what you're trying to accomplish?
 
This. I've been really trying to downsize and get rid of stuff I don't use as well unless I have some emotional attachment to it. Though by that philosophy would it be considered a waste if I bought that $2000 laptop for use in college? 
 
And I say that as I, uhh, "invest" all my spare money into toys. XD

mechgamer123 said:

  This. I've been really trying to downsize and get rid of stuff I don't use as well unless I have some emotional attachment to it. Though by that philosophy would it be considered a waste if I bought that $2000 laptop for use in college? 

 
And I say that as I, uhh, "invest" all my spare money into toys. XD

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Hmmm I think you get a pass if it's a laptop used for...educational purposes. 
 
*whistles innocently*
 
Still waiting for the new Macbooks to come out and bring the prices down on the old refurbs, I really don't want to set up a PC in the garage. X(

deadlylover said:

   
Hmmmm trying out ideas doesn't sound very confident, because if you're just trying things out then you can wait a bit longer for compiling/rendering. XD
If something takes 10 hours, what's another couple of hours going to hurt? (Do things even take that long for most tasks in day to day use?, I don't have a clue about software development =P)
 
I'd also imagine 6 cores screaming along at 4.2ghz+ might be faster in most(all?) tasks than 10 cores at 2.3ghz, especially for things that aren't well optimised for multi threaded performance.
But even stock, I'm not seeing a big difference, have look at some benchmarks here. Even if we cherry pick there are only a few things where the Xeon pulls ahead by 30%, I don't think that's worth an extra $1000 or more. 
 
Taking all that into consideration, it just seems like pure overkill waste and is a step backwards in some respects. I think it's better to go with the 5820k and divert the funds into more important things, and you're gonna have to sell me on getting workstation class graphics cards, what exactly are you using them for again? (next gen is around the corner, better wait for them because it's quite the process jump) 

 
I've learnt the hard way that stockpiling unnecessary stuff is reaaaal bad. Cash flow is your highest priority and every single dollar that you spend must have a clear purpose into directly improving it. If you haven't made a cent using your PC/Laptop/whatever then it's just an expensive toy, and you should view it as such.
 
Like mechy said going for used Xeons is a very enticing option, because in my eyes it's only being used for hobbyist purposes so duck and weave all you can!

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Nobody wants to change 1 line of code and have to wait more than 5 seconds to see if they got it right
Having a fast computer lets me concentrate on what I'm trying to do and not how I'm trying to do it,
 
It's really the memory access that the real bottle-neck in most programs I'll be running, so I'm expecting boost there instead of the instruction-per-second factor.
The major difference between Core and Xeon is the internal bus architecture.
 
Workstation cards are just artificially overpriced versions of their GTX counterpart, GTX cards can be upgraded by flashing a new firmware and changing a few resistors to match the device ID.....
That said, I need the workstation cards because enterprise software refuses to work with GTX and I don't want to risk bricking my GTX card by modding it.

akiroz said:

  Nobody wants to change 1 line of code and have to wait more than 5 seconds to see if they got it right

Having a fast computer lets me concentrate on what I'm trying to do and not how I'm trying to do it,
 
It's really the memory access that the real bottle-neck in most programs I'll be running, so I'm expecting boost there instead of the instruction-per-second factor.
The major difference between Core and Xeon is the internal bus architecture.
 
Workstation cards are just artificially overpriced versions of their GTX counterpart, GTX cards can be upgraded by flashing a new firmware and changing a few resistors to match the device ID.....
That said, I need the workstation cards because enterprise software refuses to work with GTX and I don't want to risk bricking my GTX card by modding it.

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I'm still very sceptical Borisu, surely there are hard numbers or benchmarks you can show me where an equivalent-ish Xeon (excluding 12+ core monsters) walks over a Core i7 in your intended usage? The max memory bandwidth on both those processors is 68GB/s from the Intel website.
I will concede to your choice of picking a workstation card over a consumer one, as that's a situation where a consumer one won't work at all. But a E5-2650 v3 over a 5820k? 
 
$475 for dual e5-2670, 2 socket mobo and 128GB RAM, you've got to be kidding me. 

deadlylover said:

  I'm still very sceptical Borisu, surely there are hard numbers or benchmarks you can show me where an equivalent-ish Xeon (excluding 12+ core monsters) walks over a Core i7 in your intended usage? The max memory bandwidth on both those processors is 68GB/s from the Intel website.

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Oh damn! I mistaken the system bus with the memory bus while skimming the datasheets!
 
The Xeon has a faster system bus that uses the QPI architecture instead of DMI2 in the Core series.
That's used to communicate between (multiple) CPUs and the PCH, but my motherboard's PCIe slots aren't even attached the the PCH.
Really gotta thank you for pushing me to do additional research.
 
*replaces E5-2650 with i7-5960X*

akiroz said:

 
*replaces E5-2650 with i7-5960X*

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Aahahahah while I think that's quite a bit overkill it seems we've reached a half measure, I can live with that.  
 
I'd personally get the 5820k and instead upgrade the GPU or storage, or perhaps use the extra cash for a nice monitor or 2.

mechgamer123 said:

  Honestly I think he just wants to do hentai@home and is using all this other stuff as an excuse. XD
 
Do you really need your own custom firewall, hypervisor level access, and all that jazz for what you're trying to accomplish?

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Nah, I already have my H@Hs setup on free cloud hosting trials.
H@H is a network bandwidth intensive task, something that I have very little of at home.
Got one on my Amazon EC2 a few days back and I just set up a new one on a Digital Ocean Droplet.
Network on the EC2 is doing worse than expected, hope the Droplet will do better:

 
I need a custom firewall / NAT gateway because my parents didn't spend that much on the first one and BT-ing with a couple thousand connections will kill that crappy router.
Besides, getting a custom firewall is just gonna be a simple matter of creating an extra VM with 2 NICs attached to it (might use FreeBSD for this one).
 
...and I need hypervisors because I'm kind-of paranoid... I want

1. a stable linux server handling my daily backups and static file storage (CentOS)
2. a Windows gaming station where I'll install all my VNs and Steam (Win7)
3. a linux workstation where I'll be doing experiments in, I'll install all kinds of crap on this one (ArchLinux)
4. a Windows workstation where I'll be doing experiments in (Win7)

Just finished watching NVidia's talk at GPU Tech Confrence 2016.
 
Pascal-based Tesla cards starts shipping 2017 Q1, nothing announced for Quadro and GTX yet.
Now I can safely grab a Maxwell card with no regrets.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1596670/anandtech-hp-unveils-spectre-the-world-s-thinnest-laptop
 
Not my kind of look but very nice engineering here. Cooling part intrigues me.

Went to the Muse concert, Honoka's VA didn't show up =(((((

Here's some highlights with my ****ty phone camera!
 

Pascal just Maxwell on 14nm + FP64 + HBM2?

Turns out that we have one anime publisher left in Poland. It was established in the last few years, announced they're going to publish the recent Sailor Moon series and I haven't heard from them afterwards.
Turns out they have released some Sailor Moon movie in the meantime and today they have announced 5 Centimeters Per Second and Voices Of The Distant Star. Which is neat, because I haven't seen them.