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post #106 of 347
I have said that I would be the first in line for a pair of LCD3's IF and only IF they are truly OUTSTANDING. 
 
The only reason I have used the Stax 009 as a bar, is because it's a 5200.00 headphone that many have said nothing compares to. Now as much as I love my LCD2 v1, the LCD3 can't be slightly better. They can't be a 5-20% improvement, they need to be a vast improvment. And because of the price point I hope that most people interested are going to make dam sure they are worth it. 
 
Someone on the thread wondered if other companies would now come out with 2000+ flagship headphones because of Audeze's move to raise the "flagship bar" to 2000k. Someone else answered that they indeed thought that other companies would follow suit, but in my opinion Sony, Senheiser, and everyone else can come out with a 10,000.00 headphone and this would mean nothing without having a product to match the price.
 
It's up to us the people who are buying these products to be as honest as we can with each other in these groups. If the Audeze LCD3 (which I have not yet heard) is really only a small improvement over the v1 or v2 then we shouldn't buy the LCD3, this is the only way we can send a clear message to the manufacturers, telling them that the price must justify the product. 
 
If we don't do this all "flagship" headphones (Amps etc) are going to be priced at the 2000-5000 mark within a year or two, when they could have been priced at the same 1000.00 price point of today. 
 
Remember that if a company releases a product with a massive profit margin, and they sell a massive amount of product. Other companies say ie.. "are you serious....they sold 200,000 units....let's follow suit"
 
These threads could (they don't always do, but they could) keep everyone honest. 
 
My 2 cents. 
 
 ;)
post #107 of 347
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

 

“A completely re-designed planar transducer with the all-new LOTUS diaphragm.”
 
I would sure like to hear some elaboration regarding this re-design, as well what LOTUS means, is it an acronym for something or what.
 
As far as the new cable connectors go they do look nice, but I am not a fan of the more extreme forward angle as my LCD-2 amplifier is situated behind me.

 

 



I found a you tube video of Tyll pulling apart the HE6 driver.  I realise how important the magnet structure is and the arrangement pattern.  Alex in the RMAF interview video said that the magnet structure was all new as well as the diaphragm material, I think these are extremely critical components in the headphone performance.  I'm also having a guess that the "LOTUS" is a kinda tribute to the Ortho Ninjas.

post #108 of 347

Alex said the diaphragm material is much lighter now than it was in the LCD2, so that's got me interested. :)

post #109 of 347
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

Alex said the diaphragm material is much lighter now than it was in the LCD2, so that's got me interested. :)


much lighter also means that is more easy to drive?

 

post #110 of 347

Could be but I'm not sure.  We'd need to see an impedance graph and the efficiency of the HP.  The LCD2 is very easy to drive and I have faith that the LCD3 will be as well.  Assuming the strength of the magnetic field stays the same, a lighter diaphragm means a faster driver.  I like fast drivers.  biggrin.gif

post #111 of 347
Volume knobs were just about the same with both 2 and 3. If anything I would say the 3 might be just a tiny bit more efficient.
post #112 of 347
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

Could be but I'm not sure.  We'd need to see an impedance graph and the efficiency of the HP.  The LCD2 is very easy to drive and I have faith that the LCD3 will be as well.  Assuming the strength of the magnetic field stays the same, a lighter diaphragm means a faster driver.  I like fast drivers.  biggrin.gif



i think that the lcd-2, to express its potential, needs a lot of current.

for this reason , my question

post #113 of 347
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Originally Posted by alota View Post

much lighter also means that is more easy to drive?

 



easy to drive ?  why do you want that ?? 

LCD2 were already quite easy to drive. good quality amplifier did good with them.

 

( i mean so say why dont you want to spend on a good desktop amplifier ? they are certainly not portable )

 


Edited by singh - 10/17/11 at 2:19am
post #114 of 347
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Originally Posted by singh View Post

easy to drive ?  why do you want that ?? 

LCD2 were already quite easy to drive. good quality amplifier did good with them.

 

( i mean so say why dont you want to spend on a good desktop amplifier ? they are certainly not portable )

 



i say this because i tried the lcd-2 with two amplifiers(solide state and balanced)

with one amplifier, the lcd-2 play but the sound was no satisfactory.

with the other(beta-22) the headphone changed completely

post #115 of 347

Don't you also move more air with a lighter diaphragm resulting in better airiness and treble? 

post #116 of 347
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Originally Posted by Audiowood View Post

The very reason I am still keeping the Hd800 was the better high, soundstage and comfort.. Seems like LCD-3 has all that and an even better bass than LCD-2..I will go for it base on the initial rave review so far from highly respected members here.. from skylab, Jalo, jude et al...and many others.. I doubt they are pulling my leg.. Will order in advance when available .. and if I don't like it, I doubt it will be the case... I can still sell it for 10% less and it will be gone in 1 day at the used forum... Its all about fun.

 

I will be selling HD800 as soon as I got LCD-3. Can't wait..and life is too short to be on waiting list for months of back order.

 

 

 

 


I would estimate the HD 800 would beat the LCD-3 regarding soundstage and comfort still. Maybe highs as well. Question is would it perhaps be better to keep the LCD-2 and HD 800 for the same price and get one of the best orthos and one of the best dynamics? That is what I am going to do. I am so satisfied with the LCD-2 I am completly arrogant about the LCD-3 ;). More often then not fully satisfied with the HD 800 but it does occasionally have a bit of a to bright tonal balance to cope :)

 

post #117 of 347

My plan is to keep my SR009 rig at home and upgrade my amp to the WES, while LCD-3 will replace my LCD-2 in my office rig.

 

Depending on how good the LCD3 is, I may upgrade my office "bricks"  to some decent desktop DAC and amp, such as the Antelope Zodiac Gold with Voltikus power supply. 

 

I don't think there are many other headphone systems better the the two rigs above, but of course I still have my custom IEMs for portable use, and my pre-ordered Thunderpants which I believe is as good as any "portable" full sized phones can get.  

 

This should give me some breathing space, hopefully for a couple of years, before things like the LCD-4, the SR010, the Esoteric K-00, or the Zodiac Platinum, come out. 
 

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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

I would estimate the HD 800 would beat the LCD-3 regarding soundstage and comfort still. Maybe highs as well. Question is would it perhaps be better to keep the LCD-2 and HD 800 for the same price and get one of the best orthos and one of the best dynamics? That is what I am going to do. I am so satisfied with the LCD-2 I am completly arrogant about the LCD-3 ;). More often then not fully satisfied with the HD 800 but it does occasionally have a bit of a to bright tonal balance to cope :)

 



 


Edited by googleli - 10/17/11 at 3:25am
post #118 of 347
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Originally Posted by googleli View Post

My plan is to keep my SR009 rig at home and upgrade my amp to the WES, while LCD-3 will replace my LCD-2 in my office rig.

 

Depending on how good the LCD3 is, I may upgrade my office "bricks"  to some decent desktop DAC and amp, such as the Antelope Zodiac Gold with Voltikus power supply.


I would get another SR009 rig with the new flagship cavalli amp for home, move the SR009 and WES to your office and then use the LCD-3 as your bathroom rig.

 

Seriously, what do you do for a living, I need to change job lol

 

post #119 of 347
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Originally Posted by sperandeo View Post

 

[...] They can't be a 5-20% improvement, they need to be a vast improvment. [...]


Why are you expecting/hoping for this? This is high-end gear we taking about here, not entry level.

You pay big bickies for small amounts of refinements, as they are generally hard to achieve.

 

I am going to speculate that the LCD-3s will be an improvement, sure, but I would not be expecting twenty-plus percent worth.

post #120 of 347
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Originally Posted by K3cT View Post

Don't you also move more air with a lighter diaphragm resulting in better airiness and treble? 



A lighter diaphragm all else being equal means, as N3rDLING said, a faster driver.  It can change atmospheric pressure quicker, which leads to better instrument definition.  Moving more air at a given frequency simply means a higher volume.  Loud bass also need lots of air to be moved.  Better "airiness" in almost all cases pertaining to head-fi, usually just means more of an upper frequency volume in relation to lower frequencies, which also seems to lead many to believe "soundstage" is "deeper".

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