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HeadPhones for a Hearing Impaired Person? (Audiogram Included)

post #1 of 19
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Hello,

I realize this is quite unusual. I have been hearing impaired since I was little. I love music and unfortunately most HeadPhones I have tried are just so awkward and horrible to me, especially since nowadays everyone wants Bass and I get dizzy from bassy headphones. And then I have the thing where one side of the headphones always seems louder the other not loud enough, it's just horrible... I love music you know. Anyway, I was thinking that if I attached my recent audiogram you might be able to tell me which HeadPhones would suit me best or maybe recommend HeadPhones that are programmable or something. Thank you for your time.

 

 


Edited by Hard of Hearing - 5/3/11 at 5:37pm
post #2 of 19

I wish I had an answer for You, let's see if We can get You some sound advice on this.

post #3 of 19

Your French audiogram is a little different than an American one.  My wife just got new hearing aids in December so I've seen hers recently.  It only goes down to -100dB but I think the difference between -100dB and -120dB probably isn't that much of a big deal.  She's -60dB at 500 Hz, -75dB at 1kHz, and -100dB above that.

 

She loves the Sennheiser PX100.  They're the old version and I don't know what the difference is between it and the new version.  She can also listen to them with her new hearing aids on without feedback.

 

The PX100 has slightly elevated bass, but it's by no means a bass heavy headphone.   It's also my favorite inexpensive, portable, open headphone.

 

For noisy environments, my wife has a pair of VModa Bass Freqs, which are extremely bass heavy so wouldn't work for you.  I'd suggest looking in this thread for an in ear if you want one.  http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/478568/multi-iem-review-164-iems-compared-ortofon-e-q5-etymotic-mc5-added-04-28

 

post #4 of 19

It is impossible for us to intelligently advise you further without knowing more about your current situation.  Do you use hearing aids currently?  Are they in ear, behind the ear, or other?  What headphones have you already tried and what was your experience with them?

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Originally Posted by kwkarth View Post

It is impossible for us to intelligently advise you further without knowing more about your current situation.  Do you use hearing aids currently?  Are they in ear, behind the ear, or other?  What headphones have you already tried and what was your experience with them?



Hello kwkarth and everyone,

I use Intra Hearing Aids. When I use a phone or headphones I take them off because the sound just gets too weird otherwise. So far I have used Apple's Standard Earphones and found those to be the most neutral. I have several times tried entry level high end headphones Grado, AKG but those made me feel horribly dizzy, probably because of bass I guess.

 

I don't know if this is worth mentioning but I wear spectacles so this should be considered when choosing the headphones I guess as some can get quite uncomfortable with spectacles.

 

Thank you for reading my thread! regular_smile%20.gif


Edited by Hard of Hearing - 5/2/11 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Hard of Hearing View Post

Hello kwkarth and everyone,

I use Intra Hearing Aids. When I use a phone or headphones I take them off because the sound just gets too weird otherwise. So far I have used Apple's Standard Earphones and found those to be the most neutral. I have several times tried entry level high end headphones Grado, AKG but those made me feel horribly dizzy, probably because of bass I guess.

 

I don't know if this is worth mentioning but I wear spectacles so this should be considered when choosing the headphones I guess as some can get quite uncomfortable with spectacles.

 

Thank you for reading my thread! regular_smile%20.gif

Not sure I understand your terminology.  By "Intra Hearing Aid" do you mean Intracochlear, intra-oral, etc.  So, I would like to more specifics like where the microphone for the aid is located, behind the ear or as the name would imply, in the ear canal.  Is the hearing aid digital?  Does it employ anti-feedback technology?  When you put on a sealed back headphone, do your hearing aids feed back?
 

 

post #7 of 19

Without anti feedback, an open headphone would cause feedback.  If my wife turned up the volume too much, her hair caused feedback.  Her hearing aids are the behind the ear kind.  Her new digital ones are pretty amazing.  They don't feedback at all and they also don't amplify background noise as much.  She used to have to turn off her hearing aids in restaurants, but with the new ones she doesn't.  They also cost $6000, but are well worth it.

post #8 of 19
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They are in the ears not outside. Not sure about specifics but at the time they were the best ones on the market (The sound was quite different from anything I had heard before too, I thought it was fake and 'boxed' but according to my doctor I was hearing the world as people really hear it for the first time...

 

They're the SIEMENS ARTIS 2 e2e.

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Originally Posted by Hard of Hearing View Post

They are in the ears not outside. Not sure about specifics but at the time they were the best ones on the market (The sound was quite different from anything I had heard before too, I thought it was fake and 'boxed' but according to my doctor I was hearing the world as people really hear it for the first time...

 

They're the SIEMENS ARTIS 2 e2e.

I am sorry I'm not more familiar with this but as best I can tell, the Siemens Artis 2 is a BTE (behind the ear) type with 12 channel programmability.  Its frequency response is roughly limited to 100Hz-~6kHz.  The issue here is the location of the microphone port.  Seems to me that it would be located in the body of the instrument, behind the ear.  That would explain why you experience unusual results when you wear the Artis 2s with headphones.

 

If my surmising is correct, you will get the best results using a very large circum-aural open type headphone if you want to wear the aids with headphones.  Something like the Sony MDR-F1 comes to mind.  You really are going to need to try every specific earphone that you consider though.  You need a brick and mortar store like 32 Ohm Audio in Portland, OR, where you can actually put all the headphones on and try them before you buy them.

 

If you want to use a headphone without the hearing aides, a closed type with mid centric response will probably be most appropriate.  Something like the Beyerdynamic DT-250/250 or DT-48E/25 or DT-48E/200.  There are many factors that need to be taken into consideration including comfort, drivability, etc.  I wish there was an easier, more cut and dried answer, but I think your situation needs more careful attention.  Even the Sony MDR-V6/7506 might work well for you.  You will get best results using equalization in addition finding the right headphone.
 

The supra-aural Sennheiser PX-100 might actually work for you, as scompton suggested.  That would be great since they're very reasonable cost-wise.  

post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by Hard of Hearing View Post

They are in the ears not outside. Not sure about specifics but at the time they were the best ones on the market (The sound was quite different from anything I had heard before too, I thought it was fake and 'boxed' but according to my doctor I was hearing the world as people really hear it for the first time...

 

They're the SIEMENS ARTIS 2 e2e.



My wife had a similar problem with her new hearing aids.  She has the Oticon Chili.  Besides being a regular hearing aid, they also come with a device that turns them into a bluetooth headset.  She couldn't deal with the way things sounded though bluetooth.  She described it as staticy.  In reality, she was probably hearing mid tones for the first time.  She ended up returning the parts that enabled the bluetooth since they cost $400.

 

Auditioning is a great idea, but there are very few places that have auditioning stations in the US.

 

kwkarth, the mike of behind the ear hearing aids is usually at the very top of the hearing aid so that the ear doesn't block sound from in front of the person.

post #11 of 19
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Hello kwkarth,

They are not BTE's they are intra auriculars, this is what I mean:

 

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post #12 of 19
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My wife had a similar problem with her new hearing aids.  She has the Oticon Chili.  Besides being a regular hearing aid, they also come with a device that turns them into a bluetooth headset.  She couldn't deal with the way things sounded though bluetooth.  She described it as staticy.  In reality, she was probably hearing mid tones for the first time.  She ended up returning the parts that enabled the bluetooth since they cost $400.

 

Auditioning is a great idea, but there are very few places that have auditioning stations in the US.

 

kwkarth, the mike of behind the ear hearing aids is usually at the very top of the hearing aid so that the ear doesn't block sound from in front of the person.



Hi scompton,

Sorry, I forgot to specify that I lived in France. What do you mean by auditioning?

post #13 of 19

My ex is practically deaf (and in fact has a cochlear implant now) and she always just used special interconnect cables that attached to her hearing aids from her iPod.  Do your hearing aids have any sort of plug like this?  Honestly, I think it's silly to use headphones with hearing aids on, you won't really be hearing the headphones at all, just what the hearing aids gather from the sound the headphones are giving you.

 

How deaf are you, by the way?  A percentage, I mean? (my ex was somewhere above 95%...hence the cochlear implant)

post #14 of 19

I forgot.  Go to a FNAC and they have a listening station where you can try headphones before you buy them.   It's been 20 years in the US since stores like FNAC allowed you to try headphones.  I don't remember if they have the Sennheiser PX-100 at the listening station.  They do have them on the web site.  Another similar headphone that I do know they have at the listening stations is the Koss Portapro.  They should also have larger, circumaural (around the ear) headphones.

post #15 of 19
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My ex is practically deaf (and in fact has a cochlear implant now) and she always just used special interconnect cables that attached to her hearing aids from her iPod.  Do your hearing aids have any sort of plug like this?  Honestly, I think it's silly to use headphones with hearing aids on, you won't really be hearing the headphones at all, just what the hearing aids gather from the sound the headphones are giving you.

 

How deaf are you, by the way?  A percentage, I mean? (my ex was somewhere above 95%...hence the cochlear implant)


I think this is like 50%.

 

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