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Why OP with your number of posts would you start another thread like this? That being said, I might read it just to enjoy the chaos. 
 

 
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Why OP with your number of posts would you start another thread like this? That being said, I might read it just to enjoy the chaos. 
 

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Exactly.  I've seen car accidents before... watching another doesn't hurt.  Also, I think to be fair that question comes up a lot about topics that have been discussed before.  There are many reasons to start new threads like this:
 
- Those 'original' threads can be quite old and sometimes there is new information- even new opinions or perspectives.
- We can't assume that we've all been here from the start.  The life of these sites depends not only on the Contributors but also on fresh blood.  They should be able to participate in the fun (and mayhem).
- You can only have so much fun reading something written four years ago and 200 pages long.
- Similar to the above, when I see a recent topic bumped up that I'm interested in and then I click on it to find out that someone just wrote comment #3356, I'm not going to go back to #1 and try to catch up.
 
Now, what were we talking about again?... 

Well I'm bowing out of this car crash while I still have some limbs left . With my parting shot:
 
Don't let the size of the first elephant stop you from noticing the second elephant lurking behind.
Because there are always two elephants in the room.

Every argument in this forum is circular, there is never anything that's actually new, there is never a clear winner, and that's just how it should be. Believers vs. skeptics, faith vs. science...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sorry, I nodded off.

Damn... and I though we were going to settle this thing once and for all right here.    Attitudes and outlooks do change over time.  But yeah- it often (and sadly) comes full circle.  Nobody sells CD Stoplight anymore, but I have a feeling something like it will come back if physical media as we know it is still around in the future.  I'm curious... what do all of those guys who praised green pens a few years back say about their findings today?  Are they bummed out that nobody sells those pens anymore?

I wouldn't say that this is really the "elephant in the room" in Sound Science. On the rest of the site, yes, given you cannot discuss dbt.

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No I shan't play! Just too many threads on this that achieved little. Oh alright then, just one analogy example from the Wine Lovers thread that Prog Rock Man didn't respond to at the time:
Where whisky lovers couldn't tell the difference between Single Malt and Blended in a DBT. Nevermind the more puzzling one where they couldn't even tell the difference between whisky and cognac.

 

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I thought I had responded, in that I do not why that happened. What I do know is that you and others here are unable to explain away the actual topic of this thread. All that you have come up with is a distraction topic and others have complained that this thread is flogging a dead horse.
 


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I have already answered that with a previous post on this thread. So what is the answer to the original topic of, cable believers need to ignore the likes of placebo to retain their belief that cables can sound different.
 
Too many people on this forum do not want to tackle this and other issues around the reality of their claims about cables. Their claims are bad science. Bad science needs to be challenged.

^ Point to the research or white papers that draw a correlation between ALL of the physical affects that the various materials in different cables have and how they affect the final sound (not talking about putting 5 morons in a room with blindfolds and asking them if they hear a difference). There is no scientific research that I'm aware of that has been done. The fact that there's an electrical connection being created isn't all there is to it. 
 
So, we blow hot air and threads end as they started, with each having to believe what he or she hears or doesn't hear. Which is where this thread will end regardless of your hope to finally solve and prove/disprove this age ol' audiophile question debate. 

The elephant is the obsession with the topic.

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^ Point to the research or white papers that draw a correlation between ALL of the physical effects that the various materials in different cables have and how they affect the final sound
 
Given that there is no real evidence that there are any differences in final sound it would be hard to separate out the impact of all the possible 
non-contributing properties, first establish that an audible difference actually exists then find out where it comes from.
 
 
(not talking about putting 5 morons in a room with blindfolds and asking them if they hear a difference).
 
Many folks who take part in these DB tests are self-confessed audiophiles, so you are in fact calling audiophiles morons
 
There is no scientific research that I'm aware of that has been done. The fact that there's an electrical connection being created isn't all there is to it. 
 
Really ? - But as there has been no scientific research done how can you be so sure that that is not all there is to it ?
 
 
So, we blow hot air and threads end as they started, with each having to believe what he or she hears or doesn't hear. Which is where this thread will end regardless of your hope to finally solve and prove/disprove this age ol' audiophile question debate. 

 


 

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Fine, your rubbishing of me, the thread and topic means I will not continue with this one.
 

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I am certain I could have passed a DBT with the two of them....

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Different from actually passing the test.
 
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Be prepared for someone telling you of sample variability in the actual manufacturing of the headphones themselves.

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Like Bill O'Reilly saying, "Be prepared for them to tell you it's the gravitational pull of the moon."
 
Uncle Erik- I don't like the term skeptic, although personally I don't mind being called that.  People seem to think that word means that you don't believe anything, when in fact a skeptic will believe ANYTHING if you simply provide proof.  You can't say the same for people who believe in ritual, superstition or stuff that is just plain made up.  The funny thing is most skeptics I know (self included) would LOVE to believe the things that they don't yet believe in.

Did this thread get "modded" ?