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post #17926 of 25558
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Originally Posted by aserate View Post
 

Hey Mad Lust!

First, thanks for the in-depth guide of this topic.

I'm very interested in buying a gaming headset (or w/ souncard) so my googling brought me here. Sad to say the choices of headphones/soundcard here are limited, not to mention my budget.

 

Anyway, I'm currently eyeing on the Siberia V2 analog + budget sound card (xonar d* series maybe). Is that combination good? Or do you got something else on your mind. My budget would be about less than $130 for a headphone + soundcard combo. I'd be very much happy if you'll help me out on this one.

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Can anyone help me w/ this? Much appreciated :)

post #17927 of 25558
Thread Starter 
I haven't had any experience with the V2 Siberia. It was fairly popular back in the day, so I'm sure it's at least a capable performer for it's price. All I know is that I liked the SLYR for it's price range, if you absolutely need a headset, not a headphone.

You can also just spend $20 or so on a Sportapro, snap off the drivers, and attach it to the cheap Parts Express headband, which equals a KSC35. That is a VERY capable headphone for cheap, and I prefer it over everything else under $100 that I have tried. Look at the KSC35 listing on the guide. There is a video I posted explaining what to do.

Your soundcard I belive has Dolby headphone so you're good there. i believe those Xonar soundcards all have a headphone jack that doubles as an optical out (don't quote me on this) once you set the proper options in the software. Then later on, you can buy a cheap dac with an optical input (Fiio D03k), and a decent amp which will be a better combo than using the soundcard alone, though it's more clutter. I'd personally just save up for a used Fiio E17 or something which is both a dac/amp which you can attach to the Xonar soundcard.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/13/13 at 9:07pm
post #17928 of 25558
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I haven't had any experience with the V2 Siberia. It was fairly popular back in the day, so I'm sure it's at least a capable performer for it's price. All I know is that I liked the SLYR for it's price range, if you absolutely need a headset, not a headphone.

You can also just spend $20 or so on a Sportapro, snap off the drivers, and attach it to the cheap Parts Express headband, which equals a KSC35. That is a VERY capable headphone for cheap, and I prefer it over everything else under $100 that I have tried. Look at the KSC35 listing on the guide. There is a video I posted explaining what to do.

Your soundcard I belive has Dolby headphone so you're good there. i believe those Xonar soundcards all have a headphone jack that doubles as an optical out (don't quote me on this) once you set the proper options in the software. Then later on, you can buy a cheap dac with an optical input (Fiio D03k), and a decent amp which will be a better combo than using the soundcard alone, though it's more clutter. I'd personally just save up for a used Fiio E17 or something which is both a dac/amp which you can attach to the Xonar soundcard.

Would have been eyeing on SLYR if it's available here, but it's not :( ... Even the Senn PC* series are not available.

That would be great but I am not into headsets, I am more into Circumaural headphones (preferably w/ mic in-line to lessen the clutter)


Anyway. Do you have suggestion on which xonar D* series is better to pick? (DG, DS, DX, DGX, etc.)
I am really on to Siberia V2 now cos of the limited choices
Unfortunatley I don't have the luxury to buy headset + soundcard + dac/amp. And that is quite cluttery i must say.

My main purpose for buying this is for the positional audio for gaming (mainly bf3/4), if this will help.
 

post #17929 of 25558
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I haven't had any experience with the V2 Siberia. It was fairly popular back in the day, so I'm sure it's at least a capable performer for it's price. All I know is that I liked the SLYR for it's price range, if you absolutely need a headset, not a headphone.

You can also just spend $20 or so on a Sportapro, snap off the drivers, and attach it to the cheap Parts Express headband, which equals a KSC35. That is a VERY capable headphone for cheap, and I prefer it over everything else under $100 that I have tried. Look at the KSC35 listing on the guide. There is a video I posted explaining what to do.

Your soundcard I belive has Dolby headphone so you're good there. i believe those Xonar soundcards all have a headphone jack that doubles as an optical out (don't quote me on this) once you set the proper options in the software. Then later on, you can buy a cheap dac with an optical input (Fiio D03k), and a decent amp which will be a better combo than using the soundcard alone, though it's more clutter. I'd personally just save up for a used Fiio E17 or something which is both a dac/amp which you can attach to the Xonar soundcard.

Wait, so would any DAC work?
I mean I tried connecting the PX5 receiver to an external DAC via both the 1/8 jack, or toslink but it wouldn't work...
Is that different with a PC?
I am still a bit confused here smily_headphones1.gif
post #17930 of 25558
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post


Wait, so would any DAC work?
I mean I tried connecting the PX5 receiver to an external DAC via both the 1/8 jack, or toslink but it wouldn't work...
Is that different with a PC?
I am still a bit confused here smily_headphones1.gif

 

 

Since a DAC is a digital-to-analog converter, there can only be 1 DAC in the audio chain.  You only need to convert the signal to analog once.  The only reason you would use another DAC with something like the U3 is because the U3 isn't actually acting as a DAC if you simply use it to send out a DIGITAL signal.  The U3's only role in that setup is to decode the Dolby Digital 5.1 and then encode it into Dolby Headphone.  That signal still needs to be converted to analog though, so you use a DAC with toslink input afterwards to convert it.

 

Your PX5's toslink OUT is digital, but it's probably just a simple passthrough (check the manual), so there's no benefit in trying to run a signal through it to another device/DAC.  Running a toslink through it is no different than skipping it altogether.  It's just there purely for convenience.

 

The 1/8" jack on the PX5 is analog out.  So it's already gone through digital-to-analog (DAC) conversion. You can't run it to an external DAC, because it's already analog and DAC's only take digital inputs (otherwise they can't do their D to A job).


Edited by chicolom - 11/14/13 at 12:59am
post #17931 of 25558
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

 

Since a DAC is a digital-to-analog converter, there can only be 1 DAC in the audio chain.  You only need to convert the signal to analog once.  The only reason you would use another DAC with something like the U3 is because the U3 isn't actually acting as a DAC if you simply use it to send out a DIGITAL signal.  The U3's only role in that setup is to decode the Dolby Digital 5.1 and then encode it into Dolby Headphone.  That signal still needs to be converted to analog though, so you use a DAC with toslink input afterwards to convert it.

 

Your PX5's toslink OUT is digital, but it's probably just a simple passthrough (check the manual), so there's no benefit in trying to run a signal through it to another device/DAC.  Running a toslink through it is no different than skipping it altogether.  It's just there purely for convenience.

 

The 1/8" jack on the PX5 is analog out.  So it's already gone through digital-to-analog (DAC) conversion. You can't run it to an external DAC, because it's already analog and DAC's only take digital inputs (otherwise they can't do their D to A job).

This part I knew :]

The rest is new information somewhat.

Regardless, thanks a ton for the explanation, now I know it's 1 DAC only :]

post #17932 of 25558

Hi Mad Lust Envy,

 

I tried using my Marantz with dolby headphones yesterday and it did really well. Better than my 5.1 system! 

 

One more question, do you know any way to use a separate microphone on my 360 next to my headset? (iGrado) 

As I don't own a mixamp, I guess I need to buy a mic, cut off the (3.5 mm) jack plug, and solder a 2.5 mm jack on there? 

Do you know which part of the mini-jack is used for the mic in the controller?

 

Or is there an easier solution? 


Edited by Qupie - 11/14/13 at 5:20am
post #17933 of 25558
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Originally Posted by Qupie View Post

Hi Mad Lust Envy,

I tried using my Marantz with dolby headphones yesterday and it did really well. Better than my 5.1 system! 

One more question, do you know any way to use a separate microphone on my 360 next to my headset? (iGrado) 
As I don't own a mixamp, I guess I need to buy a mic, cut off the (3.5 mm) jack plug, and solder a 2.5 mm jack on there? 
Do you know which part of the mini-jack is used for the mic in the controller?

Or is there an easier solution? 

You can purchase adapters that take the 3.5 for a mic and mix them in with the 2.5 mic + voice jack for the 360. Sounds like you would be better served making one yourself and saving $ though.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002D41HKS/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1384439427&sr=8-2&pi=SL500
post #17934 of 25558
Thread Starter 
So I got my custom PX-100-II back from wje. After a few initial hiccups (took me ages to bend the clips to a position that works for me), I can say, it's working well. Even did a Sinegen sweep, and the drivers are matched well from about 8khz, all the way down to the lowest regions of bass that it reaches. As with every headphone, treble section sways left to right, but nothing too problematic. The right driver has slight bass distortion (a very slight rattle) under 35hz, though it's pretty much a non-issue. I'm quite happy overall, and I'll be using these a LOT. It takes me just a little longer to put on next to the 75 and 35s, but we're talking seconds.
post #17935 of 25558
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Originally Posted by aserate View Post
 

Would have been eyeing on SLYR if it's available here, but it's not :( ... Even the Senn PC* series are not available.

That would be great but I am not into headsets, I am more into Circumaural headphones (preferably w/ mic in-line to lessen the clutter)

Anyway. Do you have suggestion on which Xonar D* series is better to pick? (DG, DS, DX, DGX, etc.)
I am really on to Siberia V2 now cos of the limited choices
Unfortunatley I don't have the luxury to buy headset + sound card + dac/amp. And that is quite cluttery i must say.
My main purpose for buying this is for the positional audio for gaming (mainly bf3/4), if this will help.

Where is your location?

For your budget I would think to get the Xonar DG or DGX sound card and the rest of your budget on headphones.

Do you have access to the Takstar or Superlux (or Samson) brand of headphones?

post #17936 of 25558
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Originally Posted by Qupie View Post
 

Hi Mad Lust Envy,

 

I tried using my Marantz with dolby headphones yesterday and it did really well. Better than my 5.1 system! 

 

One more question, do you know any way to use a separate microphone on my 360 next to my headset? (iGrado) 

As I don't own a mixamp, I guess I need to buy a mic, cut off the (3.5 mm) jack plug, and solder a 2.5 mm jack on there? 

Do you know which part of the mini-jack is used for the mic in the controller?

 

Or is there an easier solution? 


So you have an xBox 360?

I would guess(?) you could plug a USB microphone into the xBox 360 (guessing).

post #17937 of 25558

I am trying to narrow down a quality headphone (preferably headset) used solely for gaming with a Astro 5.8 "wireless" mixamp on console platforms. I am willing to do the mic-mod on a set as long as the headset is geared toward pin-point accurate directional cuing aka sound-whoring. Any recommendations? I see many FPS gamers lean toward the following and I am hoping to have a little guidance towards my purchase. These are the few I am leaning toward:

 

- PC360 or PC 363D

- Audio Technica ATH-AD700

- AKG Q 701 Quincy Jones Signature Reference-Class

- Sennheiser HD 598

 

I currently own the 2011 Astro BXR A40's and get told by friends that they here static/muffled voice when I chat. I feel I would be better at sound-whoring with a different headset/headphone with mic-mod then the A40s I currently own. Any suggestion, please?

post #17938 of 25558
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
 

Where is your location?

For your budget I would think to get the Xonar DG or DGX sound card and the rest of your budget on headphones.

Do you have access to the Takstar or Superlux (or Samson) brand of headphones?

Philippines good sir. You can check the availability of cans in this site... https://www.tipidpc.com
If I can afford the DX, would it be worth it over the DG in terms of positional cues in gaming?

The price of DX here is two times the price of DG.

Only Takstar PRO80 is available.

Samson, a few only.
For the Superlux, there are quite plenty of choices, you can check it yourself... http://www.tipidpc.com/itemsearch.php?sec=s&namekeys=%22Superlux%22
Which one would you recommend?
 

post #17939 of 25558
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Originally Posted by aserate View Post
 

Philippines good sir. You can check the availability of cans in this site... https://www.tipidpc.com
If I can afford the DX, would it be worth it over the DG in terms of positional cues in gaming?

The price of DX here is two times the price of DG.

Only Takstar PRO80 is available.

Samson, a few only.
For the Superlux, there are quite plenty of choices, you can check it yourself... http://www.tipidpc.com/itemsearch.php?sec=s&namekeys=%22Superlux%22
Which one would you recommend?
 


The DG is Dolby Headphone 5.1 Surround Sound and the DX is Dolby headphone 7.1 Surround Sound.

I really doubt there is much of a difference for gaming.

The DX does have a better DAC chip then the DG, but I doubt you would even notice much during gaming.

With music and movies the difference might be noticeable.

Because of your over all budget, I would say to get the DG, leaves more cash for headphones.

If you could get a Creative Labs SB-Z (Sound Blaster Z), like the lower costing bare OEM card, that might be worth it, The SB-Z has the same DAC chip (CS4398) as the Xonar DX, but the SB-Z is better at driving headphones.

 

I have the Gemini HSR-1000 (which is just a renamed Takstar Pro 80) to me it's a really good (sound quality) low costing headphone, If Sony put their name on it, it would sell for $150.

The Takestar Pro 80 (Gemini) is a closed headphone

 

The Samson SR-850 has good feedback as a low costing gaming card, it's semi-open

(Superlux makes the SR-850)

The Superlux HD681 is considered a good low costing music headphone, I would assume(?) it would at least be decent at gaming.

 

Did not see the Takstar Pro 80 or Samson SR-850 on that website, but maybe i did not know were to look.

post #17940 of 25558
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
 


The DG is Dolby Headphone 5.1 Surround Sound and the DX is Dolby headphone 7.1 Surround Sound.

I really doubt there is much of a difference for gaming.

The DX does have a better DAC chip then the DG, but I doubt you would even notice much during gaming.

With music and movies the difference might be noticeable.

Because of your over all budget, I would say to get the DG, leaves more cash for headphones.

If you could get a Creative Labs SB-Z (Sound Blaster Z), like the lower costing bare OEM card, that might be worth it, The SB-Z has the same DAC chip (CS4398) as the Xonar DX, but the SB-Z is better at driving headphones.

 

I have the Gemini HSR-1000 (which is just a renamed Takstar Pro 80) to me it's a really good (sound quality) low costing headphone, If Sony put their name on it, it would sell for $150.

The Takestar Pro 80 (Gemini) is a closed headphone

 

The Samson SR-850 has good feedback as a low costing gaming card, it's semi-open

(Superlux makes the SR-850)

The Superlux HD681 is considered a good low costing music headphone, I would assume(?) it would at least be decent at gaming.

 

Did not see the Takstar Pro 80 or Samson SR-850 on that website, but maybe i did not know were to look.

Creative Sound Blaster Z is quite expensive, 4.6 times the cost of DG

 

Takstar PRO80 is available and is twice the cost of DG, I will take this into consideration.

Samson SR-850, not available (and this is a headphone not a card right?)

Superlux HD681 is also available and is very cheap compared to others I must say, costs as much as the DG.
I'm also eyeing on the Creative Aurvana Live!.

Now my choices are the: 

Superlux HD681 - $33 (not sure if this is great for positional cues/gaming)

Takstar PRO80 - $66 (not a fan of coiled wire but this is just a minor nitpick)
Creative Aurvana Live! - $80 (is the most expensive of the three but this won't really matter if it's worth the money)

Additional option:

Siberia V2 analog - $66 (someone is selling this cheap. Idk this is better but I like it the fact it has already a built in mic)

 

Question is, which is better of the following?

 

And do you still have another suggestion of cans? An in-line mic would be a very big plus for me.

 

Thanks for the fast reply


Edited by aserate - 11/14/13 at 11:37am
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