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Mad Lust Envy's Headphone Gaming Guide: (8/18/2022: iFi GO Blu Review Added)
Mar 14, 2014 at 6:07 AM Post #21,661 of 48,562
Mar 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM Post #21,662 of 48,562
ecjcc said:
  Hi, please I need some help. I already own a recon3d card with a pair of CAL to use with my ps4. I want to upgrade to a decent pair of Sennheisers, but I have my doubts between:
 
1.- Recon3d + PC 360. So connected to the ps4 through usb. I would sell the CAL
 
2.- PC 363D (dolby headphone). So connected to the 3.5mm Jack on the game controller (that shortens its battery life....). I would sell the CAL & Recon3d
 
What do your recommend? PC 360 is 50 ohms and PC 363D 32 ohms. So does the latter need an amplifier (I don't see how to connect it to the ps4...)? Is it worthwhile moving from the Dolby from Creative to Dolby Headphone?
 
Thks a lot
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I have the sennheiser u320s that don't need a amp (they have a amp dongle type thing) I use the console over optical to dac then rca out on the dac to headset!
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM Post #21,664 of 48,562
ecjcc said:
  Hi, please I need some help. I already own a recon3d card with a pair of CAL to use with my ps4. I want to upgrade to a decent pair of Sennheisers, but I have my doubts between:
 
1.- Recon3d + PC 360. So connected to the ps4 through usb. I would sell the CAL
 
2.- PC 363D (dolby headphone). So connected to the 3.5mm Jack on the game controller (that shortens its battery life....). I would sell the CAL & Recon3d
 
What do your recommend? PC 360 is 50 ohms and PC 363D 32 ohms. So does the latter need an amplifier (I don't see how to connect it to the ps4...)? Is it worthwhile moving from the Dolby from Creative to Dolby Headphone?
 
Thks a lot
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I think you have the two models of headset reversed.  The 363D comes with the in-line USB sound card, the PC360 uses dual analog connectors.  I would assume that since the 363D comes with its own sound card built-in it shouldn't need additional amping.
 
Personally, I like the THX from my Recon3D better than Dolby Headphone.  Given that, I'd stick with the PC360 and Recon.  YMMV.
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM Post #21,665 of 48,562
stillhart said:
  I think you have the two models of headset reversed.  The 363D comes with the in-line USB sound card, the PC360 uses dual analog connectors.  I would assume that since the 363D comes with its own sound card built-in it shouldn't need additional amping.
 
Personally, I like the THX from my Recon3D better than Dolby Headphone.  Given that, I'd stick with the PC360 and Recon.  YMMV.
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You're right, the 363d comes with usb. But, even without additional amping, will it be deliver dolby audio? I mean, can I get dolby audio without using the optical output on the ps4? Thkx
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM Post #21,666 of 48,562
No. Soundcards are all read as generic devices on the ps4. All you can get from any soundcard is stereo.

Without a dolby digital decoding device that converts to Dolby Headphone or other virtual surround via an optical digital cable, you're stuck. Mixamp-like devices only. If not, you think I wouldn't have at least mentioned others on the guide?

WITHOUT THE AUDIO SIGNAL GOING THROUGH AN OPTICAL CABLE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING SURROUND SOUND THROUGH HEADPHONES. Yes, there are receivers like Marantz and Harman Kardon, but thoss have been discussed. They can do it through HDMI or optical.

In short, unless whatever device that is connected directly to a headphone has dolby headphone WITH an optical input, you're only getting stereo. That is it. The ps4's controller audio jack is stereo only, and is pretty weak.
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 12:04 PM Post #21,667 of 48,562
Sounds like the Recon3D with optical from the PS4 into the PC360 is probably your best bet, with the choices you listed.
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM Post #21,668 of 48,562
Love this guide. Sadly I traded my MA900 for a pair of Mad dogs but I'm looking to sell my V Moda m100 to get a pair of gaming phones to replace my loved MA900.
 
I really love the MA900 soundstage is there a better soundstage headphone out there that also can be fun and not too sterile like the boring K701? 
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM Post #21,669 of 48,562
That or the Mixamp. I prefer the Mixamp, but the Recon3D is a good alternative. I just personally don't like THX Tru Studio as much as Dolby Headphone. YMMV.
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 1:12 PM Post #21,670 of 48,562
ecjcc said:
thkx, any decent DAC you would recommend? 
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Misinfo, that u320 is a stereo headphone for computers. If you want surround with a console, your options are the two receivers Mad mentioned, Astro Mixamp, Turtle Beach DSS ($30), DSS2, or the control unit that comes with a TB ear force seven, Tritton AX720+ base station, PLYR 1 base station, or Creative Recon3D USB (which is also a credible soundcard for PCs).

Personally I own a DSS, Mixamp 5.8, and a Recon3D USB, I like the recon best with a tube amp plugged into the headphone jack.
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM Post #21,671 of 48,562
mad lust envy said:
That or the Mixamp. I prefer the Mixamp, but the Recon3D is a good alternative. I just personally don't like THX Tru Studio as much as Dolby Headphone. YMMV.
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Yeah, or a Mixamp.  The only reason I mention the Recon3D is that he said he already has one.  That would save him over $100.
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM Post #21,672 of 48,562
cole doe said:
  Hello
 
I am new to the forum and new to headphones. I found Mad's guide, which is incredible, thank you so much for this break down.
 
I was hoping for a little advice to help choose my first set of headphones. I think I am currently torn between the M50's and DT770 80.
 
A little info about my situation: 
I have a pretty good 5.1 speaker system (Cambridge Soundworks, tower 300 mains) and an Onkyo receiver, which I have been using as my sole audio output for many years. I'm very satisfied with the sound and I live alone so I was never able to justify purchasing headphones. Recently I decided I wanted to add headphones for immersions sake, mainly when playing ps3/ps4 games (almost always single player campaign) but also for immersion in movies/tv at times also. On an impulse I bought the playstation gold headset but immediately realized the sound quality was not going to satisfy me, so I returned them. I'm now on a quest for proper headphones. I'm definitely on a budget as I never really intended to be doing this, but I quickly got a little ocd about getting the right pair. I realized that I will need a surround sound processor for the ps3/4, I will most likely be getting the mixamp pro. I posted a few questions in another thread re: the dss/mixamp here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/690663/ps4-with-3-5mm-x2-type-headset/210
As far as the headphones, I had all but settled on the M50's until I started to read about the soundstage (or lack thereof) even with the dolby headphone. That led me to the 770's which I think, I would enjoy but its really tough to know. I don't game competitively so, that is not really an issue. However, I do want to be able to pick out sounds I've never heard and also be able to have a good sense of direction. I just finished playing The last of us: left behind on on ps3. I definitely want to be able to hear where all the clickers are when they are surrounding me.
I guess my questions are essentially, will the m50's with a mixamp  be sufficient for me or will the lack of soundstage be too noticeable?  And re: the 770's, is the bass just too overpowering, will that be all I hear and become too frustrating?  I'm having a hard time choosing between these two situations. I also considered the the Mad Dog's. But I think between those and a mixamp it puts me too far over a price range I am comfortable with. I do want closed headphones. Also, I like the wire accessory situation of the m50x, that little detail makes me lean toward the m50's. I feel like due to the  extra short 3.5 cable I would actually use these at work sometimes as well, where the closed headphone, passive sound isolation would be so awesome. I do not believe I would do that with an attached long cable.
 
Thanks in advance for listening to to all this newb stuff for what I'm sure must be the 1000th time at least.
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I think I posted this is the wrong thread. I read the guide and posted here without opening up the forum and realizing there was a better place for this post. Sorry about that, I am going to repost where it belongs and see if I get any feedback.
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 2:24 PM Post #21,673 of 48,562
Anyone have any real advice on what headphones or a headset to get for serious competitive PC gaming? I play CS at a decently high level and I travel to play in events so I really need closed headphones that are good. My budget is about $250. I understand how much better open headphones sound for precision, but it's just not an option because I can't use open headphones at home and then use a completely different sound on the road, I need consistency.

I tried the DT770 Pro 250 ohms but the bass is extremely heavy =/
 
Mar 14, 2014 at 2:26 PM Post #21,674 of 48,562
zephah said:
  Anyone have any real advice on what headphones or a headset to get for serious competitive PC gaming? I play CS at a decently high level and I travel to play in events so I really need closed headphones that are good. My budget is about $250. I understand how much better open headphones sound for precision, but it's just not an option because I can't use open headphones at home and then use a completely different sound on the road, I need consistency.

I tried the DT770 Pro 250 ohms but the bass is extremely heavy =/
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There aren't a whole lot of competitive worthy closed headphones at that price point. The SoundMAGIC HP100 has some people that like it and they are sold for around $200. 
 
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