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Mar 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM Post #61 of 1,933
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In this case maybe the Phonitor can help. I notice a clear differences between my Ultrasones PL-650 @ 10-25.000 Hz, and the K-702 @ 10-39,800 Hz. BTW the Phonitor go up to 200 Khz.


These kind of comments always disappoint me a little, when somebody makes comments that are just plain impossible.
 
Mar 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM Post #62 of 1,933
I believe the headphones sound different, but there is very little chance it's due to their ultrasonic frequency response
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Mar 26, 2010 at 8:47 PM Post #63 of 1,933
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It definitely seems to me like it is the same driver.especially considering the modest price increase. a newer driver would have probably surely meant a higher price for the new headphone. Could be they changed some things on the baffle, or damping or both or perhaps they do actually have an ace up their sleeve..if one finds its way to any of the orthoheads we can be assured to know what it is for sure
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The addition of LE at the end reminds me of the Stax 404 vs 404LE. I believe the 404LE "simply" has upgraded parts (cable/pads), and a tweaked driver. The 404LE's sound is much an improvement from what I have read...
 
Mar 26, 2010 at 8:53 PM Post #64 of 1,933
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The addition of LE at the end reminds me of the Stax 404 vs 404LE. I believe the 404LE "simply" has upgraded parts (cable/pads), and a tweaked driver. The 404LE's sound is much improved from what I have read...


Agreed, And I had a good friend of mine who i consider to be an ortho modding guru have a crack at re-damping the HE-5 and surprisingly he couldn't come up with a scheme that made me like the HE-5. I probably should have had him give it a few more tries..we'll see what the HE-5LE is all about soon enough.

I am hopeful to see ortho technology breaking new ground in the audiophile sphere of headphone listening. Just wish major American and western companies would make a push in this direction, they could easily overhaul the headphone industry again overnight and bring back the ortho glory days of the '70s.
 
Mar 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM Post #65 of 1,933
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I am LOL at you guys that think you can "hear" anything above 20kHz. Unless you have been to an actual audiologist who has tested this, I virtually guarantee that you cannot, unless you are part Bat.


We cannot hear 20kHz but if everything above that is cut off/brickwalled, we can hear how the absence affects frequencies below 20kHz.
 
Mar 26, 2010 at 10:46 PM Post #66 of 1,933
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These kind of comments always disappoint me a little, when somebody makes comments that are just plain impossible.


Hehehe, I didn't mean that some one will hear up to 200Khz, but this option will smooth the highs of any hps in the market, and this is my main point.
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Mar 27, 2010 at 12:21 AM Post #67 of 1,933
Well, 200kHz and 20kHz are very far from each other.

What does "smooth" mean here? Don't need to answer, it means nothing. As I said before it is a strategy for selling more with the excuse for "the more the better". Seems it worked for you...
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Hope you get my point
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Oh and remember, in most cases the FR range from a headphone is quite useless to determine which one is better.

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Hehehe, I didn't mean that some one will hear up to 200Khz, but this option will smooth the highs of any hps in the market, and this is my main point.
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Mar 27, 2010 at 1:26 AM Post #68 of 1,933
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We cannot hear 20kHz but if everything above that is cut off/brickwalled, we can hear how the absence affects frequencies below 20kHz.


I buy that where digital anti-aliasing filters are concerned. I don't buy it where transducers are concerned if we are talking about the natural roll-off of the driver. If it's being rolled off by electronics, that's another story. But if the driver just naturally rolls off above 20kHz, you're missing nothing .
 
Mar 27, 2010 at 1:48 AM Post #69 of 1,933
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I am LOL at you guys that think you can "hear" anything above 20kHz. Unless you have been to an actual audiologist who has tested this, I virtually guarantee that you cannot, unless you are part Bat.



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I couldn't resist. Figure the thread could use some light humor amongst this arguing!
 
Mar 27, 2010 at 2:18 AM Post #70 of 1,933
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I buy that where digital anti-aliasing filters are concerned. I don't buy it where transducers are concerned if we are talking about the natural roll-off of the driver. If it's being rolled off by electronics, that's another story. But if the driver just naturally rolls off above 20kHz, you're missing nothing .


Very true. And I don't think we really hear much musically above 16kHz with headphones. I do think that a headphone that drops off early and fast (or has peaks and valleys) in the upper treble will have a colored lower treble because of that.
 
Mar 27, 2010 at 2:27 AM Post #71 of 1,933
some would disagree about the 20Khz cutoff - because, as people who don't just know about tech but also a bit about music will tell you, overtones are what makes timbre, and you will have a lot of overtones in the timbre you like even though you cannot technically identify them by themselves. so one may at least try to argue that it is perhaps important not to cut off frequency reproduction artificially, since it will impair sound. as beagle wrote:

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We cannot hear 20kHz but if everything above that is cut off/brickwalled, we can hear how the absence affects frequencies below 20kHz.


I tend to agree, but I'm not even going to go there. all I'm going to say is, well, I would like to hear these cans, at least. I was sorely tempted by another planar headphone, and yet could not bring myself to justify it... but temptations are always nice :wink: when someone has them, somewhere in california, will we be able to take a listen?
 
Mar 27, 2010 at 4:16 AM Post #73 of 1,933
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Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I am LOL at you guys that think you can "hear" anything above 20kHz. Unless you have been to an actual audiologist who has tested this, I virtually guarantee that you cannot, unless you are part Bat.


That's because you don't have a Phonitor. Don't you know? It's the best amp in the world.
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Mar 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM Post #75 of 1,933
If Fang can fix the treble glare and the one-note bass response with the LE version, that would be great. I would also desire for more uniformity across the cans so I will not have a fellow Head-Fier asking me "what do you mean that the HE-5 is sibilant?!".
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