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Multi-IEM Review - 352 IEMs compared (Pump Audio Earphones added 04/03/16 p. 1106)
Jul 15, 2014 at 12:33 AM Post #14,056 of 16,931
ljokerl said:
 
When writing the review that was pretty much my line of thinking - if only the sub-$25 MH1C supply on ebay hadn't run out, I would have been less impressed with the Pistons. I still prefer the MH1C, personally, but I think the Piston has more of a "wow" factor for the average listener.
 
BTW, the DN-2000 comparison was actually prompted by someone sending a PM asking whether the Piston is better
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Well, the thing is that here in Europe one can still get the sony for around $20 on amazon uk coming with the tips in two colors like the retail package. 
And now after all that hype and the Pistons selling for circa 30 I can't really be that impressed with them while the mh1 is still available and especially given that a month ago I got my vsd3s for $37. 
And yeah, as I said the hype got crazy with claims the Pistons were better than dn1k and other more expensive stuff and that's why I said some people have unrealistic expectations. Now, for someone who hasn't heard anything better they will be very impressive. And it will save them a lot of money in the long run coz I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who have the Pistons and now due to the hype think they can only upgrade them if they spend north of 200 bucks, so they'll stick to them 
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Jul 15, 2014 at 1:45 AM Post #14,057 of 16,931
Hi joker, did you try the Xiaomi Pistons with Dirac HD on a Xiaomi phone?
 
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Jul 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM Post #14,058 of 16,931
kova4a said:
  Well, the thing is that here in Europe one can still get the sony for around $20 on amazon uk coming with the tips in two colors like the retail package. 
And now after all that hype and the Pistons selling for circa 30 I can't really be that impressed with them while the mh1 is still available and especially given that a month ago I got my vsd3s for $37. 
And yeah, as I said the hype got crazy with claims the Pistons were better than dn1k and other more expensive stuff and that's why I said some people have unrealistic expectations. Now, for someone who hasn't heard anything better they will be very impressive. And it will save them a lot of money in the long run coz I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who have the Pistons and now due to the hype think they can only upgrade them if they spend north of 200 bucks, so they'll stick to them 
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Doesn't seem to be limiting the number of higher-end options hitting the market, so that's fine by me. I see myself recommending the Pistons quite often though, especially as the PM I receive most often these days is "Recommend me a ($25/$30/$40/$50) earphone for EDM with lots of bass and crystal clear treble... bro"
 
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Hi joker, did you try the Xiaomi Pistons with Dirac HD on a Xiaomi phone?
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Nope, sorry. 
 
Jul 15, 2014 at 12:53 PM Post #14,059 of 16,931
pastapipo said:
  Wow, 8.1.
I tried them myself and found them to be too U shaped. Mids were totally recessed to my ears.
The highs of the Pistons are natural and the best I've heard in a long time. The bass was to mid-bassy for me.
 
I wouldn't give them a 8.1, but then again, I haven't heard anything near a percentage of iems joker has. He is the sole reason I started this hobby anyway. 
 
BTW I tried the Ivery IS1 clearhead was hyping a while ago. There nothing special. Fine for the price paid, but far to bassy and veiled over the rest of the spectrum.
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Jul 15, 2014 at 2:08 PM Post #14,061 of 16,931
kova4a said:
  If you're referring to the Pistons' foam I personally strongly advise against it. 
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Most people have said that it's better without the foam.  It extends the treble and makes it more balanced.
 
Jul 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM Post #14,062 of 16,931
grayson73 said:
  Most people have said that it's better without the foam.  It extends the treble and makes it more balanced.
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Nah, it opens up slightly the sound and ruins the bass impact and the treble response. I guarantee you that if Tyll had measured the Pistons with the foams removed it would measure very bad in the 300Hz square wave and the impulse response graph.
I also have to admit that while I assume why joker decided to go for the m6's tips for the Pistons aside from the better fit, I kinda question his choice coz the choice of tips for the Pistons is kinda hard and can change the final review in several places. For instance the M6's tips give probably the most acceptable bass for me from the Pistons - less boomy and out of control but they reduce the treble, especially the top extension, while using wider bore tips opens up the sound but make the bass softer and boomier but then you can't say the vsd1s sounds more spacious. Overall my personal choice will be the meelec rx12's tips or the brainwavz Delta's ones coz they are exactly the same.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
 
Jul 17, 2014 at 1:05 AM Post #14,063 of 16,931
kova4a said:
  Nah, it opens up slightly the sound and ruins the bass impact and the treble response. I guarantee you that if Tyll had measured the Pistons with the foams removed it would measure very bad in the 300Hz square wave and the impulse response graph.
I also have to admit that while I assume why joker decided to go for the m6's tips for the Pistons aside from the better fit, I kinda question his choice coz the choice of tips for the Pistons is kinda hard and can change the final review in several places. For instance the M6's tips give probably the most acceptable bass for me from the Pistons - less boomy and out of control but they reduce the treble, especially the top extension, while using wider bore tips opens up the sound but make the bass softer and boomier but then you can't say the vsd1s sounds more spacious. Overall my personal choice will be the meelec rx12's tips or the brainwavz Delta's ones coz they are exactly the same.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
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Right, with the tubby housings of the Pistons I was just happy to find a single-flange that was both comfortable/secure and not terribly boomy. 
 
Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM Post #14,065 of 16,931
Hi ljokerl,
 
I read your review of the Xiaomi Piston 2 and am very interested in it.
 
I'm wondering how it compares to the Fidue A63 overall.  I note that you said that it is not mid-forward like the Fidue nor as forgiving in the top-end, and that it doesn't lag behind the Fidue in terms of clarity.
 
Compared to the Fidue, are the mids any more veiled in the Xiaomi?  Which is more detailed?  Which is more dynamic?  I assume the Xiaomi is warmer than the Fidue, but does that warmth make it a less quality performer in the midrange compared to the Fidue, or does it simply take the midrange clarity of the Fidue and add a bit of warmth and weight to the low-end without sacrificing any of the midrange clarity and detail of the Fidue?
 
I like the Fidue, but I could use a bit more presence/weight in the bottom-end, as long as it doesn't sacrifice the midrange clarity and detail of the Fidue (which is the best part of the Fidue, in my opinion) and as long as the bass isn't too boomy.
 
Thanks in advance for any thoughts that you have on the matter.
 
Jul 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM Post #14,066 of 16,931
danikus said:
  So, how much approximately does vsd3s score sound quality wise? My guess is 8.4
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Haven't received it yet :/
 
steelglam said:
  Hi ljokerl,
 
I read your review of the Xiaomi Piston 2 and am very interested in it.
 
I'm wondering how it compares to the Fidue A63 overall.  I note that you said that it is not mid-forward like the Fidue nor as forgiving in the top-end, and that it doesn't lag behind the Fidue in terms of clarity.
 
Compared to the Fidue, are the mids any more veiled in the Xiaomi?  Which is more detailed?  Which is more dynamic?  I assume the Xiaomi is warmer than the Fidue, but does that warmth make it a less quality performer in the midrange compared to the Fidue, or does it simply take the midrange clarity of the Fidue and add a bit of warmth and weight to the low-end without sacrificing any of the midrange clarity and detail of the Fidue?
 
I like the Fidue, but I could use a bit more presence/weight in the bottom-end, as long as it doesn't sacrifice the midrange clarity and detail of the Fidue (which is the best part of the Fidue, in my opinion) and as long as the bass isn't too boomy.
 
Thanks in advance for any thoughts that you have on the matter.
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Yeah, it's as you would expect - the A63 has tighter bass but also less of it, more forward mids, and smoother treble. The Piston sounds boomy in comparison but has better bass extension also. It's warmer and more full-bodied. A little more veiled, but not as much as you might expect from such a bassy earphone.
 
Except for the bass, where the Piston loses a bit of refinement/control, I didn't think either had an advantage in detail, etc. 
 
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