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Multi-IEM Review - 352 IEMs compared (Pump Audio Earphones added 04/03/16 p. 1106)
Jan 10, 2011 at 3:36 PM Post #1,741 of 16,931
I bought the ViSang R02 based on this guide, but I was kind of disappointed by them. I don't know if I got a faulty model or something, but they have this really 'cheap' sound to them, I can't quite put my finger on what it is though. Everything sounds fine but there's a sort of 'flatness' to them, it isn't so much a problem with the bass, but the mids and highs sort of sound 'clustered' together (though the highs don't seem all that present at all) and the seperation between instruments seems to be somewhat absent. I'm still fairly inexperienced at this so I probably explained what I was trying to say quite badly there, sorry.
 
Edit: I forgot to mention, I find the vocal presentation to be very sub-par. When compared to my AKG K240 (while it may not be a fair comparison), they just sound 'empty'.
 
Jan 10, 2011 at 5:06 PM Post #1,743 of 16,931
Jan 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM Post #1,744 of 16,931

hmm, recently when I had similar experience the problem lied in bad connection - the jack "hole" was damaged

 
eternalempire said:
I bought the ViSang R02 based on this guide, but I was kind of disappointed by them. I don't know if I got a faulty model or something, but they have this really 'cheap' sound to them, I can't quite put my finger on what it is though. Everything sounds fine but there's a sort of 'flatness' to them, it isn't so much a problem with the bass, but the mids and highs sort of sound 'clustered' together (though the highs don't seem all that present at all) and the seperation between instruments seems to be somewhat absent. I'm still fairly inexperienced at this so I probably explained what I was trying to say quite badly there, sorry.
 
Edit: I forgot to mention, I find the vocal presentation to be very sub-par. When compared to my AKG K240 (while it may not be a fair comparison), they just sound 'empty'.
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Jan 10, 2011 at 9:07 PM Post #1,745 of 16,931
Joker,
 
I just wanted to let you know that this thread is an amazing accomplishment and you have my sincere thanks.
 
On the subject of cutting down on recommendations-type threads, it might help if there was an option to sticky this thread at the top of the Earphohnes forum. As my post count of one would indicate, I am new here so maybe I missed something, but is it not possible to do that?
 
Aside from that, I was hoping you might provide some clarification to help a bit further in my IEM choice. Based on where I live (Toronto) I have the option to purchase the following at a mostly reasonable price:
 
$150 - JAYS q-Jays
$195 - SHURE SE315
$185 - Etymotic hf2/3
$230 - Klipsch Image X5
 
Were I to go from what's on your summation chart, it looks as if I might like the q-Jays quite a bit. Comfort is great, sound quality is pretty great, there are plenty of accessories to help me get the right fit and it's damn small. The thing is, I didn't notice any of my other options on your chart, so I'm wondering if you may have used any of the others? I noticed that the hf3 was on your to do list, for instance.
 
If it matters, I'm going to be pairing these with both a 2nd gen. Zune 4GB and an HTC HD7 phone.
 
Jan 10, 2011 at 9:25 PM Post #1,746 of 16,931


Quote:
skjohnson said:
Joker,
 
I just wanted to let you know that this thread is an amazing accomplishment and you have my sincere thanks.
 
On the subject of cutting down on recommendations-type threads, it might help if there was an option to sticky this thread at the top of the Earphohnes forum. As my post count of one would indicate, I am new here so maybe I missed something, but is it not possible to do that?
 
Aside from that, I was hoping you might provide some clarification to help a bit further in my IEM choice. Based on where I live (Toronto) I have the option to purchase the following at a mostly reasonable price:
 
$150 - JAYS q-Jays
$195 - SHURE SE315
$185 - Etymotic hf2/3
$230 - Klipsch Image X5
 
Were I to go from what's on your summation chart, it looks as if I might like the q-Jays quite a bit. Comfort is great, sound quality is pretty great, there are plenty of accessories to help me get the right fit and it's damn small. The thing is, I didn't notice any of my other options on your chart, so I'm wondering if you may have used any of the others? I noticed that the hf3 was on your to do list, for instance.
 
If it matters, I'm going to be pairing these with both a 2nd gen. Zune 4GB and an HTC HD7 phone.
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That price for the X5 is really high for a street price here in the US.  It still loses out at $100 less then what you list IMO.  $200 for Shure 315s seem a lot as well when you should be able to do better for that price.  I'd zero in on the Qjays or Etys if I had to pick from your list.
 
Jan 10, 2011 at 11:10 PM Post #1,747 of 16,931
Quote:
eternalempire said:
I bought the ViSang R02 based on this guide, but I was kind of disappointed by them. I don't know if I got a faulty model or something, but they have this really 'cheap' sound to them, I can't quite put my finger on what it is though. Everything sounds fine but there's a sort of 'flatness' to them, it isn't so much a problem with the bass, but the mids and highs sort of sound 'clustered' together (though the highs don't seem all that present at all) and the seperation between instruments seems to be somewhat absent. I'm still fairly inexperienced at this so I probably explained what I was trying to say quite badly there, sorry.
 
Edit: I forgot to mention, I find the vocal presentation to be very sub-par. When compared to my AKG K240 (while it may not be a fair comparison), they just sound 'empty'.
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I really don't know what to say - perhaps next to the K240 the R02 does sound cheap (I wouldn't know) but without hearing them I can't tell you if they are defective or not.
 
 
Quote:
skjohnson said:
Joker,
 
I just wanted to let you know that this thread is an amazing accomplishment and you have my sincere thanks.
 
On the subject of cutting down on recommendations-type threads, it might help if there was an option to sticky this thread at the top of the Earphohnes forum. As my post count of one would indicate, I am new here so maybe I missed something, but is it not possible to do that?
 
Aside from that, I was hoping you might provide some clarification to help a bit further in my IEM choice. Based on where I live (Toronto) I have the option to purchase the following at a mostly reasonable price:
 
$150 - JAYS q-Jays
$195 - SHURE SE315
$185 - Etymotic hf2/3
$230 - Klipsch Image X5
 
Were I to go from what's on your summation chart, it looks as if I might like the q-Jays quite a bit. Comfort is great, sound quality is pretty great, there are plenty of accessories to help me get the right fit and it's damn small. The thing is, I didn't notice any of my other options on your chart, so I'm wondering if you may have used any of the others? I noticed that the hf3 was on your to do list, for instance.
 
If it matters, I'm going to be pairing these with both a 2nd gen. Zune 4GB and an HTC HD7 phone.
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I think the sticky subject would have to be pursued by a site moderator or admin but they don't really pay much attention to the portable forum.
 
Regarding your list, I have not heard the SE315 (unless it's exactly the same as the 310 and in that case I wasn't impressed) or the X5. That seems like a good price for the q-JAYS - they are a little more 'fun' than the HF2/3 albeit slightly less isolating. If they're coming up cheaper for you  with full warranty I'd say go for it.
 
Jan 11, 2011 at 1:31 AM Post #1,748 of 16,931


Quote:
ljokerl said:
I really don't know what to say - perhaps next to the K240 the R02 does sound cheap (I wouldn't know) but without hearing them I can't tell you if they are defective or not.
 
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I know the 'burn in' concept is somewhat controversial around here, but I guess the sound I'm hearing could improve and the problem is that they haven't seen much use yet. I'll try them out further, they might improve. I bought the MEElectronics M6 based on this guide also and was quite pleased with them, their performance was best with electronic genres and didn't sound as good when listening to rock or metal, but they were a good IEM overall. Ultimately my M6 met their demise when I tried to cut out the memory wire and severed the cable in the process, I guess my knife-work was a little heavy handed. They didn't break instantly but they didn't last very long afterwards sadly.
 
Jan 11, 2011 at 3:54 AM Post #1,749 of 16,931
Anaxilus, I hear you on the high price for the X5, which is why I said mostly. As for the other prices, I thought those were okay for my area. Short of driving across the border to Buffalo, I'm unfortunately at the mercy of sellers up here in Canada. I do feel good about the q-Jays though, as the two things I'm most concerned about (sound and comfort) are highly rated by Joker. I'll do a bit more searching to try and find other local vendors with relatively reasonable prices, but I don't really see it getting much better.
 
Joker, thank you for weighing in on my question. I must admit I had been leaning towards the q-Jays based on the high rating and relatively low price. If the sound isolation difference that between the q-Jays and the HF2 is as slight as you mentioned, that I'll definitely be picking up the q-Jays. Thanks again for your time and efforts overall.
 
Jan 11, 2011 at 5:28 AM Post #1,750 of 16,931
I was reading the R1 rev2 review and saw "Update (01/11)", and I was saying to myself, "wow, what happen to the R1 to make it deserve such a low score of 1 out of 11?"
It's late... I must be sleepy....
 
Jan 11, 2011 at 11:37 AM Post #1,752 of 16,931
Hey Joker. I am wondering why you rate CK10 and DBA-02 above the e-Q7 and RE262. What makes the dual armatures superior in your opinion?
 
Jan 11, 2011 at 3:50 PM Post #1,753 of 16,931
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pianist said:
Hey Joker. I am wondering why you rate CK10 and DBA-02 above the e-Q7 and RE262. What makes the dual armatures superior in your opinion?
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Inherently - nothing. There are plenty of dual armatures I consider inferior to the 262 or e-Q7. The Ortofons and RE262 both have a do-no-wrong type of sound which, while pleasant, never really clicked for me (I like the RE262 better than the e-Q7 personally). 
 
Jan 12, 2011 at 2:48 AM Post #1,754 of 16,931
Sound is always a subjective thing so YMMV. Also dual armatures are not always better technically than dynamic or singe BA based IEMs. The Apple in ear earphones have 2 balanced armatures  but loses to single driver heavyweights like the RE0 or the ER4. The number of drivers doesnt decide its performance. But one thing that's consistent (i find) is that a multiple BA based IEM would nearly always be better at potraying complex music like large scale classical works than single ones.
 
Quote:
pianist said:
Hey Joker. I am wondering why you rate CK10 and DBA-02 above the e-Q7 and RE262. What makes the dual armatures superior in your opinion?
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Jan 12, 2011 at 2:55 AM Post #1,755 of 16,931


Quote:
yifu said:
Sound is always a subjective thing so YMMV. Also dual armatures are not always better technically than dynamic or singe BA based IEMs. The Apple in ear earphones have 2 balanced armatures  but loses to single driver heavyweights like the RE0 or the ER4. The number of drivers doesnt decide its performance. But one thing that's consistent (i find) is that a multiple BA based IEM would nearly always be better at potraying complex music like large scale classical works than single ones.
 
Quote:
pianist said:
Hey Joker. I am wondering why you rate CK10 and DBA-02 above the e-Q7 and RE262. What makes the dual armatures superior in your opinion?
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Well a lot of times duals seem to provide a more coherent sound than triples as well.  Headfonia had a mention about that in their review of dual BAs and it lines up what I've heard as well as others.  In fact, the only phone I have heard that I like better than my DBA is the ES5 and possibly the IERM.  I would need more time side by side to know for sure about the latter.
 
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