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Dec 3, 2010 at 4:17 PM Post #1,426 of 16,931
If the M3 is a bigger and better M2 then I probably would like them. I find the M2 more of a fun earphone and can probably substitute my HJE900 in that category. It does have a slight boost in the bass area and I did a short comparison with the HJE900 since I received a PM about the two and it does seem like the M2 has more weight in the bass which is something I was surprised at. However the M3 probably isn't very practical with the M2 already in my possession and the HJE900 gathering dust as the days pass (I need to sell the HJE900 whenever I get around to it) unless of course someone wants to give me a M3 which is very unlikely :)
 
The NE-700 does seem interesting and I've never heard a Nuforce earphone so if  the NE-700 is competitive with the other top models in the sub $100 earphones then Nuforce probably has made something quite good and the competition in that particular price range continues to get more and more difficult. It's never been a better time to get started in this hobby and spending not as much money to get much better quality than just a few years ago.
 
Dec 3, 2010 at 4:20 PM Post #1,427 of 16,931
Hey Joker.
 
Here I am again contemplating over my new IEM. Seems like Xcape is going to be it. I already have the M1. How would you compare the Xcape to the M1? Do you think it's an upgrad? Please give me some details..
 
Thanks alot for the M1 and the PL30 I own.
 
Dec 3, 2010 at 7:36 PM Post #1,428 of 16,931
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Joker, I see that you're currently listening to 1964Ts. Can't wait to hear your impression on them.
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Lol... It'll be a while.
 
 
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If the M3 is a bigger and better M2 then I probably would like them. I find the M2 more of a fun earphone and can probably substitute my HJE900 in that category. It does have a slight boost in the bass area and I did a short comparison with the HJE900 since I received a PM about the two and it does seem like the M2 has more weight in the bass which is something I was surprised at. However the M3 probably isn't very practical with the M2 already in my possession and the HJE900 gathering dust as the days pass (I need to sell the HJE900 whenever I get around to it) unless of course someone wants to give me a M3 which is very unlikely :)
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Mine are going out on loan to JxK but if he doesn't like them I can certainly let them make another stop on the way back.
 
 
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Here I am again contemplating over my new IEM. Seems like Xcape is going to be it. I already have the M1. How would you compare the Xcape to the M1? Do you think it's an upgrad? Please give me some details..
 
Thanks alot for the M1 and the PL30 I own.
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The Xcape is an upgrade to the M1 but only if it lines up with your listening preferences. It's not as soft or liquid-sounding as the M1 but it is a bit clearer, slightly more spacious, and more detailed. If you've felt that the M1 is not analytical enough than the Xcape is probably right for you. However, if you're happy with the detail and clarity of the M1, aren't willing to sacrifice the lush midrange, and just want a bigger soundstage and better presence across the range the M3 might be a better option.
 
Dec 3, 2010 at 8:27 PM Post #1,429 of 16,931


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Mine are going out on loan to JxK but if he doesn't like them I can certainly let them make another stop on the way back.
 
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Yeah, with joker's permission, after I've tried them I could just send them directly to you rawrster. And considering the M3's odd shape, and my own oddly shaped ears, I may end up sending them to you sooner than expected.
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Dec 3, 2010 at 8:59 PM Post #1,430 of 16,931


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Mine are going out on loan to JxK but if he doesn't like them I can certainly let them make another stop on the way back.
 
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Yeah, with joker's permission, after I've tried them I could just send them directly to you rawrster. And considering the M3's odd shape, and my own oddly shaped ears, I may end up sending them to you sooner than expected.
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The odd shape is the thing that concerns me. If it had anything similar to the R02 or M2 it would be quite tempting but the shape of the housing leads me to believe I may have some issues with fit. Things sticking out usually means bad fit for me. I'll have to see if time allows me to have a loaner whenever it is you have it and are done with it.
 
 
Dec 4, 2010 at 6:25 AM Post #1,432 of 16,931
 
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Here I am again contemplating over my new IEM. Seems like Xcape is going to be it. I already have the M1. How would you compare the Xcape to the M1? Do you think it's an upgrad? Please give me some details..
 
Thanks alot for the M1 and the PL30 I own.
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The Xcape is an upgrade to the M1 but only if it lines up with your listening preferences. It's not as soft or liquid-sounding as the M1 but it is a bit clearer, slightly more spacious, and more detailed. If you've felt that the M1 is not analytical enough than the Xcape is probably right for you. However, if you're happy with the detail and clarity of the M1, aren't willing to sacrifice the lush midrange, and just want a bigger soundstage and better presence across the range the M3 might be a better option.
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I find the M1 sounds a little thin compared to the PL30.. it's not as smooth.. feels rather very dry. The bass HITS hard but I can't feel it.. a little boomy I think. I love how the vocals sound on it though.. Im thinking of an upgrade as a better IEM with a little more bass which I can FEEL.. I think the M1 lacks synergy among the ranges.. they're all good on their own.. they aren't as good TOGETHER... you still think I should go for the Xcape or just buy the M2 instead? I feel I'd get an itch to upgrade very soon again with the M2.. since it's not really a superior phone.. just the things I'd want in the M1.. I don't need hot treble and recessed mids though..
 
Dec 4, 2010 at 8:34 AM Post #1,433 of 16,931


 
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I find the M1 sounds a little thin compared to the PL30.. it's not as smooth.. feels rather very dry. The bass HITS hard but I can't feel it.. a little boomy I think. I love how the vocals sound on it though.. Im thinking of an upgrade as a better IEM with a little more bass which I can FEEL.. I think the M1 lacks synergy among the ranges.. they're all good on their own.. they aren't as good TOGETHER... you still think I should go for the Xcape or just buy the M2 instead? I feel I'd get an itch to upgrade very soon again with the M2.. since it's not really a superior phone.. just the things I'd want in the M1.. I don't need hot treble and recessed mids though..
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I have the M1's and they don't sound thin to me, but I do not have a lot of experience.
Recntly I switched to RE0's and compared to the M1's I would say that they sound thin but there is a lot more detail. Sometimes the detail overwhelms me since I mostly listen to acoustic, slow music (read: Bob Dylan). The RE0, similar to Xcape from what I can read, is a better IEM but it sounds quite different. I liked the warm sound from the M1's. To me, none of them carry a lot of bass. I am getting a iBasso T4 soon, some recommend a warmish amp for the RE0's and some others say the T4 is that kind of amp.
Time will tell.
 
Dec 4, 2010 at 1:59 PM Post #1,434 of 16,931

 
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I find the M1 sounds a little thin compared to the PL30.. it's not as smooth.. feels rather very dry. The bass HITS hard but I can't feel it.. a little boomy I think. I love how the vocals sound on it though.. Im thinking of an upgrade as a better IEM with a little more bass which I can FEEL.. I think the M1 lacks synergy among the ranges.. they're all good on their own.. they aren't as good TOGETHER... you still think I should go for the Xcape or just buy the M2 instead? I feel I'd get an itch to upgrade very soon again with the M2.. since it's not really a superior phone.. just the things I'd want in the M1.. I don't need hot treble and recessed mids though..
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If you feel that way about the M1 the Xcape is definitely not for you. The PL30 sounds smoother by virtue of glossing over a lot of detail and texture - I agree with s0lar that the M1 is not thin or dry at all in the grand scheme of things. Things like the RE0 and and to a lesser extent the Xcape are much more offensive if you find the M1 lacking smoothness and thickness. I don't think the M2 is really an upgrade to the M1 - it has more mid-bass but if you want rumble it won't do - extension is very similar between the two. Maybe the Thinksound TS02 or something though that's more of a fun sound and arguably more grainy than the M1. Silver Bullets might be to your liking.
 
Dec 4, 2010 at 11:14 PM Post #1,435 of 16,931
Just curious but how do the M1 and M2 compare signature wise? I'll assume that the M2 is superior to the M1 on technical ability. I know that the M2 is a rebranded R02 but the M1 doesn't have a ViSang equivalent and unless I'm mistaken isn't a rebrand of any model. So I'm wondering if the M2 and M1 are similar in any way.
 
Dec 5, 2010 at 2:33 AM Post #1,436 of 16,931


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Just curious but how do the M1 and M2 compare signature wise? I'll assume that the M2 is superior to the M1 on technical ability. I know that the M2 is a rebranded R02 but the M1 doesn't have a ViSang equivalent and unless I'm mistaken isn't a rebrand of any model. So I'm wondering if the M2 and M1 are similar in any way.
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The M2 is actually a rebranded R03 - the ProAlpha is a rebranded R02. The M1 is also OEMd by ViSang and very closely related to the M2. It is obviously tuned differently with higher impedance and a different chamber, though. M1 and M2 are indeed very similar but the M1 is lacks some of the mid-bass hump and subsequent warmth of the M2. A second result of the flatter response is that it doesn't sound quite as relaxed up top. Detail, clarity, timbre, speed, etc are quite similar between the two but the M1 is a little harder to drive and really comes alive with a more powerful player. The M2 does too to an extent but it's still very efficient. Overall the M1 is more to my liking than the M2 but I rate the M2 a tad higher overall because it has a slightly more cohesive signature and more of an 'x-factor'. I quite like the M2 - always have - it has an atmospheric feel to it despite the forward mids and mediocre soundstage depth and never gets boring or fatiguing. I think when I wrote up all of the popular <$80 bass earphones I said that I prefer the M2 over the Eterna and Hippo VB, which are likely superior from a technical perspective, and I stand by that.
 
Dec 5, 2010 at 6:22 PM Post #1,437 of 16,931
Found this quote, from a LONG time ago, I believe this was my third or fourth post... I was so naive... I am going with the E7, unless anybody has anything to add. 
 
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They seem excellent. Haven't heard any bad reviews. They seem like a nice change. I will be buying them most likely. Would you suggest an amp for them? Or is that not necessary with an iPod. I don't need maximum volume.


I would suggest running them without an amp first. If you find yourself liking the signature and end up selling the S4, you can invest in an amp. IMO you'd have to spend around $90-100 to get a decent pairing with the RE0. None of the <$20 Fiio toys will do.
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Dec 5, 2010 at 6:38 PM Post #1,438 of 16,931


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Just curious but how do the M1 and M2 compare signature wise? I'll assume that the M2 is superior to the M1 on technical ability. I know that the M2 is a rebranded R02 but the M1 doesn't have a ViSang equivalent and unless I'm mistaken isn't a rebrand of any model. So I'm wondering if the M2 and M1 are similar in any way.
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The M2 is actually a rebranded R03 - the ProAlpha is a rebranded R02. The M1 is also OEMd by ViSang and very closely related to the M2. It is obviously tuned differently with higher impedance and a different chamber, though. M1 and M2 are indeed very similar but the M1 is lacks some of the mid-bass hump and subsequent warmth of the M2. A second result of the flatter response is that it doesn't sound quite as relaxed up top. Detail, clarity, timbre, speed, etc are quite similar between the two but the M1 is a little harder to drive and really comes alive with a more powerful player. The M2 does too to an extent but it's still very efficient. Overall the M1 is more to my liking than the M2 but I rate the M2 a tad higher overall because it has a slightly more cohesive signature and more of an 'x-factor'. I quite like the M2 - always have - it has an atmospheric feel to it despite the forward mids and mediocre soundstage depth and never gets boring or fatiguing. I think when I wrote up all of the popular <$80 bass earphones I said that I prefer the M2 over the Eterna and Hippo VB, which are likely superior from a technical perspective, and I stand by that.
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Yeah I meant the R03. The only thing I wish for the M2 was that it would be less sensitive. I can increase the impedance but not much I can do about sensitivity. They challenge my Livewires as the most sensitive earphones I currently own. I was excepting something more of a R02 but better when I got the M2 so didn't expect it to be as bassy as it is but it replaced my HJE900 as my fun earphone so it works for me. I once owned the Eterna v1 but I was unable to switch earphones to compare since it would either be too bass light or heavy depending on if I was coming from or to the Eterna. I don't have that issue with the M2 as I've been able to use my Livewires without any issues. Although the M1 does sound interesting and I do have a pair coming in the mail..eventually. Maybe I'll actually open that package.
 
 
Dec 5, 2010 at 11:24 PM Post #1,439 of 16,931
Anyone know any good sources for biflange tips? I know meelec has some, but I'm curious if some other places sell them too. Can anyone comment on how the ebay ones compare to the meelec stock ones (not the balanced ones) in terms of size, thickness, and firmness?
 
Ebay ones: http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Flange-Earbud-Tip-Panasonic-In-Ear-Headphone-/200541822638?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item2eb1395eae#ht_3285wt_1115
 
After getting the meelec stock ones for my RE262, I love them and they sit perfectly comfortable in my ear. But I'm curious now and want to test out some other tips :)
 
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