to the OP, i feel sad for you, not that you couldn't find happiness with your head phones but that you had to come on these forums and try to make a big scene with a topic that would no doubt, spark interest and responses. you're obviously just trying to get some attention. you must be very lonely.

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Nope. I'm fine. Thanks though.

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For someone who is looking for help, you are pretty damning, titling your thread "ALL Headphones Suck." Statements such as being in audio production since 2 and people falling for dumb marketing scheme is just putting icing on the cake.

I'm not sure what part of this looks remotely like an attempt to look for help either:
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I pointed out that I made similar observations to yours (+10-15db peak gain between 10-13kHz on all full sized headphones I have heard) and stated that it is acceptable in execution. You said it is not acceptable to you and that you are giving up. So why are you still here? No one is forcing you to stay. It seems as if you are stating that you give up on headphones every other post, yet 15 pages later you are still here posting about how people here are insane and unproductive. If that's not crying for attention I don't know what is. For crying out loud, make up your mind and try more headphones and see if you enjoy any of them, or just leave and never come back. It shouldn't need 15 pages of explanation.

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I remember you asking me way back what speakers I liked. I was going to attempt an answer, but I find it somewhat difficult to narrow it down to a reasonable number.. I don't know where to begin, lol. Maybe at a later time. For now, I will say.. the 'great/big Heil' ESS AMT-1 has always been one of my favorite tweeters, and I've had a lot of fun using it in different ways over the years. ProAc.. yeah. Speaking of ribbons, those Verhagens are interesting (haven't heard them). Quad ESL's are fantastic at what they do.. one of my most memorable experiences was with a set of originals. Orion.. haven't heard it, obviously aware of it (who isn't?.. lol).

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In all fairness to speakers, that's a fairly uneven comparison if you are commenting only on soundstage and bass extension. Speakers have a much larger diaphragm which aids bass extension and volume and can be any distance from the ear which aids with soundstage.
If you were to compare speakers and headphones for intimacy and headstage on the other hand I think the opposite would win-out.
I agree that if you want to be completely purist about audiophilia then speakers are the way to go. Still, it's not entirely unreasonable to put the HD650 on par with some fantastic speakers despite its short comings because of what it offers that speakers cant. A love for speakers and headphones often comes in hand but they dont frequently mesh.
Currently I happen to be of the type that prefers headphones though. I can't say I've heard a speaker setup that really compares to some of the headphone setups ive heard at my friends place and at marcus' shop however...

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Seems like everyone wants to point this out and make something of it, rather than understanding what I meant.. even after I'd already attempted to explain it. In any case, I never said that I'd been in audio production since 2. I said that audio reproduction (in the context of audio systems) is a bit of an obsession I've had since I can remember, and then I began reminiscing about some of my earliest memories, and then went on to say age 2. And yes, I have plenty of memories from age 2, and I'm far from the only person on this earth who remembers things at that age. It seems as though most people don't, but there are plenty who do. I guess I'm just one of them. I'm far from the only person with memories of constantly being intrigued with audio devices at such an early age.


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There have recently been more interesting posts popping up from people with good intentions who understand where I'm coming from, and I certainly don't mind responding to them.

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I now see your reason for coming back, but sadly, your first post, IMHO, did not exhibit an attitude of wanting "to appreciate these headphones," but instead seemed rather aggressive and dismissive. I think this thread is the epitome of poor communication and quick assumptions resulting in a flustered community of people that really aren't all that different, and I feel that your statements may have been the direct cause of that confusion because of the way you communicate. There's always more than one way to say something, and sometimes the intent is masked into a ball of unintended offense. I'm sorry if that is what has happened here.

By the way, I'm at my godparents' tree farm at the moment, and in their living room they have the following setup:

CEC TLF51X transport > AudioNote DAC3 > Conrad Johnson PV1 preamp > Jadis JA30 amps > Quad ESL63 speakers...

I saw your mentioning of Quad ESL earlier...

LOL

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I know thats coming ... Now Professional Studio Monitors used in - lets say 50% of studios for post production got some problems ...

I have one question for You !

Who you think you are to judge a posters here ?
Did you ever sonsider your self estrange for obsession you have ?
You have a big mouth - thats all i can see ...

You think actualy someone talk about YOU, cuz you are someone who are kinda special here?
No, Posting are about your stupid statements, and thats all ...

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I'm not judging anyone here, not even you.

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Strange? No. Estranged? No.
(I'm not trying to poke fun at you, I really thought it could have been either.)

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That's a first. I've always been told I'm the introverted quiet type.

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Of course I don't think I'm special. However, I do think a lot of people here do and say things simply because others say and do them. As a result of that, I've found it difficult to get any reliable information, much less have an interesting discussion. I just want to learn more about headphones in general, especially in regards to their inherent problems, as previously stated.

OK, sorry for my pistyping, i know i type a lot of wrong chrs words etc, but - english is not my native language !

Even i am US citizen - and dependent of US Army ..

How ever, after all, i think you are not a bad guy, just - like someone say, you have communication problem ...

I can agree with you in couple things, but man, you start on bad way here ...

Please understand, i would really like to hear from you and to learn from you, but - you have to change your behavior ...

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Reread your title for this thread and tell me how that kind of an attitude is helpful in any way to your goal (quoted above). It seems that you want to make learning "more about headphones in general" unnecessarily difficult.

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Like I said, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Idk.. maybe you're right. Do try to understand though, I was a bit frustrated when I started this thread. On top of that, I had a pessimistic outlook in regards to whether or not I'd ever find what I was looking for here, for reasons previously mentioned. Am I trying to make up excuses? No. I'm just saying.

This thread could have actually been better if some people in the industry ex. sennheiser designers/engineers(or other manufacturers) or whatever would explain why its so hard for headphones to sound as realistic as high end speakers instead of so many people ridiculing the OP. This thread can actually help the community more than anything else. I know many of us here love to listen to headphones but BHTX does have a point. Even though I love headphones so much, listening to one pair of cans exclusively does tend to bore me after a while more than even semi decent 1000 dollar speakers do even after years of use because theres always something annoyingly wrong with a certain cans frequency response. I thought that I would actually save money when starting with this hobby compared to speaker-fi but apparently I was wrong as you can see in my profile with all the headphones that have come and gone. With speakers, I tend to buy what I like and tweak it til my hearts content but I hardly get upgradeitus as much as the headphone hobby.

BHTX,

- How did you measure the frequency response of your headphones? I'd like to know your setup; did you use a dummy head, or just a simple microphone in free-air?
- Now that you've read the Stereophile article about free-field, diffuse-field, and flat equalization, what are your thoughts on your headphones responses?

On another note, have you tried virtualization effects (Dolby Headphone or similar HRTF algorithms) to help 'externalize' the sound from headphones? I know a lot of people here don't care for it, but I am fan of such post processing effects because it improves the soundstaging and comfort of long listening.