This whole thread is pointless. Some punk 15 year old yammering on about hypothetical situations that don't exist for most responisble people. I could say stuff, but it won't matter because mr. thick head won't listen anyways. Maybe this thread will get locked...

Biggie.

x1, you might think you know a lot about life at 16 with all the drugs and whatever surrounding you. You dont. When I was 16(2 years ago) I thought I knew everything. Now I look back and think of how ridiculously stupid I was. I realize now I am still a moron. You can't use the 'you dont know what its like' reason because I do.
Obviously something significant has made you feel this way about alcohol. Maybe you should think to yourself, what has made you feel so strongly about something you have little experience with, instead of questioning why people drink. Human nature is the reason why; hedonism. Now please look to yourself and figure out why you are so fanatical about this. It is your own choice whether you drink or not, but it is not your choice to decide whether others should drink.
You keep noting that no one is giving you an adamant rebuttal to you argument, but have you looked at your own reasoning? Its not very well organized or thought out, how can you expect someone to debate if you cannot give someone a proper argument.

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If you think you would have such a serious lapse in judgment as to drive drunk when the idea would abhor you as a sober person, perhaps it's good that you don't drink alcohol.

x1lexure
There are a few reasons I like to drink. I like the taste of some mixed drinks, wines and good beer (good beer is not the corn mash crap that they advertise during football games with talking frogs). After two or three, they can be relaxing and the effects are enjoyable. For me, it's not really more complicated than that.

The negatives of alcohol are largely tied to excess, which by my definition, I'm not really talking about here. There are many studies that suggest an occasional drink or even a glass of wine a day is good for your health. I've not seen any studies that indicate the occasional drink is unhealthy. In fact, an easier case could be made against sodas and a rather strong one could be made against diet sodas.

I don't drink and drive and I don't advocate it. I don't drink and use firearms or operate heavy machinery either. The fact of the matter is that a glass of wine doesn't really impair my ability to appreciate jazz. And, despite what you may have been told in health class, it doesn't really impair my ability to enjoy the things that can sometimes follow a couple glasses of wine and some jazz. But that's something else we'll have to discuss when you're older.

x1lexure - Wow, I dont even know where to begin. So I wont. I really dont feel like going through all your posts and dealing with every little ridiculous point. You stuck upon a few good concepts but your logic is clouded with judgment and misconceptions. Dont think im just some delusional old drunk, I turned 18 like a week ago and I dont even drink. I dont eat meat, dairy or eggs for that matter but thats another topic for another day. I used to drink, but personally I found it to be a complete waste of time. Regardless of my opinions on alcohol, im all for alcohol being legal. As long people can use it responsibly why should it bother you what they do?

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Umm, yeah . Alcohol is not the same as any drugs, except the one called alcohol. Its far worse that many illegal drugs in terms of addiction, abuse potential, and physical damage. Most people have this silly misconception that alcohol is safe because its legal. Dont fool yourselves, it is unquestionably a hard drug. The withdrawal from serious alcohol addiction is worse that that of heroin. Ive never seen an alocohol addict detoxing but ive had friends with heroin problems and its not pretty.

Now used sensibly, there nothing wrong with alcohol. But used sensibly theres nothing wrong with lots and lots of other illegal substances.

freethetree
I understand and agree with the spirit of your post and hope this doesn't detract from that. There's one point I'd like to focus on just a little bit. Some people say that alcohol is as bad or worse than some illegal drugs. This may or may not be true IF the illegal drug was not illegal -- but the fact that a drug is illegal DOES make it more dangerous.

I've known too many people to have their homes terrorized and torn apart by federal and state authorities only to be followed by astronomical court costs and prison time. The physical, emotional and psychological consequences of recreational illegal drugs can be quite large and I've seen too many children put in harms way over something that's "not a big deal." When you consider the consequences of taking a drug, please do consider the legal consequences too. They matter.

Whether the drugs should or should not be illegal is another debate entirely. I don't think it's any big secret that I feel out government is overlegislated. However, as long as those drugs are illegal they do still pose serious threats to the user, his associates, housemates and family specifically derrived from their illegal status. In this way, alcohol presently has a leg up on illegal drugs thanks to American finally regaining her common sense and repealing the biggest encrouchment on our personal freedoms since the invention of the income tax.

Sorry - just needed to say that.

Hmm, as another 15 year old (who should be doing homework right now), let me chime in here...

I don't think there's anything wrong with the occaisional drink or two (as kelly has stated), and in fact there's been a slew of recent medical research linking a glass or two of wine a day to reduced risk of heart disease and dementia.

On the other hand, underage drinking has been shown to affect brain development and a lot more stuff along that lines - generally, alcohol tends to do the most damage while your brain is still developing; after that, its effects tend to diminish, a lot.

Combined with the fact that I don't really like the taste of alcohol...

Drugs, apart from pot but including tobacco, are fairly different. I've seen enough research to show that they're quite addictive and quite damaging (and I'm not talking D.A.R.E. here) that there's a reason they're classified as Group/Section 1 - substances without any medical use that are harmful enough to be outlawed.

Pot, on the otherhand, isn't physically addictive (though psychological addiction is still possible) and seems to do less lasting damage than smoking, so I'm not quite sure why it's in the same class, as say, heroin. (for the record, I haven't tried pot; I don't need any worse of a memory than I already have)

Please correct me if I'm wrong in any of the above...

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Less lasting damage? *points down*
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...igarettes_dc_1

kelly - Yeah I sorta forgot to bring that up. I was going to put "Now dont even get me started on the ridiculousness of the drug laws in this country..." at the end of my post but I didnt want to open up that can of worms.

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Oh boy. You seem to be misunderstanding much of the governments intent here. Just a short list of schedule 1 drugs that dont fall into that category:

Mescaline
Psilocybin
Psicolyn
Bufotenine
2C-B
DMT
DET
AET

The list goes on. Now if you want me to mention drugs that could be pulled up as analogs and become scheduled I could literally list thousands.

Im not saying that all drugs are good, its just that lots of the ones with infinite potential are schedule 1. A good number of schedule 2, 3, 4 and 5 drugs are a lot more dangerous when used recreationally.