K1000 - music running 24/7 = warmer sound , burn-in is real!
Oct 9, 2006 at 12:30 AM Post #106 of 233
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Originally Posted by Firevortex
what you said prob makes sense as the big diaphragms in the K1000 would loosen up/expand due to heat. thus vibrations would tend to be larger giving it a warmer basser tone. just use a cheapo heater is good enough imo.


Yes, that's probably what is happening. When K1000 are cold the bass is gone and treble is emphasized. When they are warm I get too much bass!
After I improved my system it is impossible not to hear it now.


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Originally Posted by Firevortex
mr.Computerpro3 you seem to have a ******* sticker on your forehead.


What do you expect from a 13 year old iPod user? He seems to know more than those with 30 years of experience, and he brags about it...
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 1:21 AM Post #107 of 233
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
Yes, that's probably what is happening. When K1000 are cold the bass is gone and treble is emphasized. When they are warm I get too much bass! After I improved my system it is impossible not to hear it now.


I believe the ideal temperature for proper K1000 peformance is 71.6284 degrees.

Then again, 24 is the highest number.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 1:31 AM Post #108 of 233
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Originally Posted by F1GTR
I believe the ideal temperature for proper K1000 peformance is 71.6284 degrees.

Then again, 24 is the highest number.



I don't like when it sounds too warm. I think around 21.8-22.3 degrees is the best; little cooler than normal room temperature. When they are cold there is nothing in front of the music at all, it can't get any better than that.
But when they are warm I hear some background noise in music. Warmer is more revealing and it shows problems in the system.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 1:40 AM Post #109 of 233
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What do you expect from a 13 year old iPod user? He seems to know more than those with 30 years of experience, and he brags about it...


I'm not even close to 13; try within a few years of you. And I've been around the industry since birth - grandfather is a high end audio salesman, and knew John Grado casually as well as Saul Marantz. And you certainly don't have 30 years of experience...you're 25 years old! And so what if I use an ipod? It's not like it's my home source after all. Speaking of experience, me and NikonGod just ressurected the Maestrobation mods - what have you done for the industry besides buy brilliant pebbles and advertise for Nordost?

You ignore science, you ignore engineers, you ignore everyone except Nordost advertising. I don't doubt you hear what you hear for a second - you've convinced yourself you do. It's just that no one else will hear it either unless they go to the same level you have because it's purely placebo, 100% provable. I can just see some noob to the hobby dropping 5k on cables for his $200 dac thinking it will make the dead rise again, all because of you. That's just wrong.

And you talk about me ignoring people with more than 30 years of experience and acting like a 13 year old...

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Originally Posted by you
Benchmark DAC1 is the end of all DACs!


Yeah, okay. You know better than everyone else on the boards. Course.

That's not even mentioning this:

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"Using the same treatment as I would a $10,000 piece in my system, it sounds like a $10,000 piece!"


That's just such an obvious DEAD GIVEAWAY that what you're hearing is placebo.

There is a reason why 95% of the forum simply laughs and shakes their head when you post. And it's not because they can't afford your gear either.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 1:59 AM Post #110 of 233
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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
I'm not even close to 13; try within a few years of you. And you certainly don't have 30 years of experience...you're not even 40. And so what if I use an ipod?


Paul McGowan of PS Audio has 30 years of experience and you said their products are 100% placebo.


http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showp...2&postcount=34
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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
About five years ago I was even contacted and asked to help author an article to appear in a book dealing with UPS's and Power Supplies. The guy was quite surprised to find out I was thirteen


You seem to know everything about everything 100%.
Wait until the "teen ego" wears off and you get the "little fish in big pond" scenario.

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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
I can just see some noob to the hobby dropping 5k on cables for his $200 dac thinking it will make the dead rise again, all because of you. That's just wrong.


Is this thread about cables?
In 3 years people will use $1000 DAC, $1000 ICEpower amp, and $30 000 worth of cables. Mark this post!
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:03 AM Post #111 of 233
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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
That's not even mentioning this:
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"Using the same treatment as I would a $10,000 piece in my system, it sounds like a $10,000 piece!"



That's just such an obvious DEAD GIVEAWAY that what you're hearing is placebo.

There is a reason why 95% of the forum simply laughs and shakes their head when you post. And it's not because they can't afford your gear either.



I didn't write that, the reviewer did. At least I have one person who agrees with me.
It seems like you don't bother investigating a few seconds before saying you are right about everything.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:11 AM Post #112 of 233
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Paul McGowan of PS Audio has 30 years of experience and you said their products are 100% placebo.


Paul McGowan of PS Audio is of PS Audio . He's trying to make money. Dan Lavry's views are also known on things of such nature, and they are generally opposite of Paul McGowans. You could argue that he is also trying to sell things, and you'd be right, an impartial source would be better. However, he has even more of a reputation than McGowan. Just do a google, for every believer their are ten scientists and engineers and MIT physics students who laugh.

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http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showp...2&postcount=34
You seem to know everything about everything 100%.
Wait until the "teen ego" wears off and you get the "little fish in big pond" scenario.


No wonder you're in debt, you must have failed math. What's 13 plus 5 everyone? Or is math placebo too?


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I didn't write that, the reviewer did. At least I have one person who agrees with me.
It seems like you don't bother investigating a few seconds before saying you are right about everything.


But you put it in your sig. And as for the review, that isn't exactly the Bible or anything. I can produce reviews saying Bose is the best headphone ever. Is it? Not to those who know better. Those who don't go blithely along living in ignorance (hint hint).

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Is this thread about cables?
In 3 years people will use $1000 DAC, $1000 ICEpower amp, and $30 000 worth of cables. Mark this post!


Oh, I will.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:20 AM Post #114 of 233
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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
I spent $130 so far total. That's not bad at all for the peace of mind knowing my Melos won't crap out like the old ones did.

Besides, I'm modifying the melos for several reasons.

1. It's damn fun.
2. The old capacitors are prone to failure. I'd prefer this not to happen.
3. They have been proven in an A/B and DBT environment at many many meets to alter sound.

Hardwired Nordost and heating up AKG drivers have not.



I'd like to see those DBT results on the blackgates.

edit: a very respectable amp manufacturer feels the blackgate option on their amps is a waste of money.

I'm not claiming to believe anything that Patrick says; theres just no point in getting so pissed off at someone for something so petty.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:21 AM Post #115 of 233
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Originally Posted by J-Pak
It's a little funny you're railing on Patrick and you're modding your Melos with ridiculously priced Blackgates which alter the sound very little if at all.


I spent $130 so far total. That's not bad at all for the peace of mind knowing my Melos won't crap out like the old ones did.

Besides, I'm modifying the melos for several reasons.

1. It's damn fun.
2. The old capacitors are prone to failure. I'd prefer this not to happen.
3. They have been proven in an A/B and DBT environment at many many meets to alter sound.

Hardwired Nordost and heating up AKG drivers have not.


Actually now that I think about it, Patrick, weren't you downgrading because high end gear "got in the way of music" or something like that?


I do want to make it clear that I'm not trying to tell you how to spend your money - it's yours and you can spend it however you want. It just irritates me when you make claims that can be debunked scientifically by a 10 second google search. Like the whole debacle where you thought you could demagnetize your audio system with a degaussing cd.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:27 AM Post #116 of 233
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Originally Posted by J-Pak
I'd like to see those DBT results on the blackgates.

edit: a very respectable amp manufacturer feels the blackgate option on their amps is a waste of money.

I'm not claiming to believe anything that Patrick says; theres just no point in getting so pissed off at someone for something so petty.




I was referring to the Maestrobation mod being A/B and DBT. Just search in the meet threads for that. I'm not sure if it's the blackgates in particular which change the sound - it's more likely a combination of the auricaps, blackgates, etc, etc. I'm just following a template, and the blackgates happen to be in the mod which obviously sounds better than stock, so I'm putting them in.

I suppose it is pointless to get upset. It just seems like every day he's making "OMG AKG 1000 MADE ME FLY WHEN I SOAKED THEM IN WATER BEFORE USE" type threads. In other words, spam.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:28 AM Post #117 of 233
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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
I was referring to the Maestrobation mod being A/B and DBT. Just search in the meet threads for that. I'm not sure if it's the blackgates in particular which change the sound - it's more likely a combination of the auricaps, blackgates, etc, etc. I'm just following a template, and the blackgates happen to be in the mod which obviously sounds better than stock, so I'm putting them in.


To be a proper test everything in the amps including tubes would need to be the same other than the blackgates in order to show they made a difference.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:32 AM Post #118 of 233
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Originally Posted by J-Pak
To be a proper test everything in the amps including tubes would need to be the same other than the blackgates in order to show they made a difference.



Thats impossible due to the nature of the Melos - no two are truly identical that is known. Best you can do is get same tubes and same modifications, which has been done. There has not been a single person who has said they can't tell the difference between the Maestrobated and stock that has heard one - at least not on record. And plenty of people have heard them. When you can't get concrete facts, you have no choice but to go with circumstantial evidence. It's fairly overwhelming in this case.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:33 AM Post #119 of 233
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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
Thats impossible due to the nature of the Melos - no two are truly identical that is known. Best you can do is get same tubes and same modifications, which has been done. There has not been a single person who has said they can't tell the difference between the Maestrobated and stock that has heard one - at least not on record. And plenty of people have heard them. When you can't get concrete facts, you have no choice but to go with circumstantial evidence. It's fairly overwhelming in this case.


Then do the test on an amp thats actually stable. And change just the caps, SS would be easiest because even tube matching isn't perfect.

I'm well aware of Carlo's mods. I just highly doubt the blackgates are one of the major contributions to the better sound.
 
Oct 9, 2006 at 2:33 AM Post #120 of 233
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Originally Posted by Computerpro3
Paul McGowan of PS Audio is of PS Audio . He's trying to make money. Dan Lavry's views are also known on things of such nature, and they are generally opposite of Paul McGowans. You could argue that he is also trying to sell things, and you'd be right, an impartial source would be better. However, he has even more of a reputation than McGowan. Just do a google, for every believer their are ten scientists and engineers and MIT physics students who laugh.


You don't know him like I do. You only cherry pick words on his website and laugh, why? To boost up your ego? You want everything to be placebo so you can feel better about yourself.

It's like being outside the street and looking towards a building instead of going inside. If you go inside it cures ignorance. As I said, little fish big pond. Being afraid of the unknown doesn't lead you anywhere! The more you believe in something the further you are from the real truth.

Scientists and engineers are afraid of going inside to find the real truth. They just look at the surface of things. Their conclusions are only those which are already written down on paper and put together by themselves. Most of the inventors never finished school so they aren't brainwashed to rely on written material. After you enter the engineer school it's all over and you can't be brought back to reality. What is written on paper is not the complete truth, it's far more complex than that. Why don't you understand that?
 

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