REVIEW: Cardas Golden Reference, Volex, and Blue Jeans Cables
Jun 2, 2006 at 10:33 PM Post #17 of 48
"I have a real hard time believing that it comes that close to equalling the Cardas in sound." Todd no amount of testing is going to convince you if you already have a bias hehe.
 
Jun 2, 2006 at 11:00 PM Post #18 of 48
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Originally Posted by Welly Wu
On one hand, the Cardas Golden Reference reproduce an extremely focused and delineated sound stage in terms of width and depth. Image specificity, layering, and instrumental bloom sound supreme. On the other hand, height is rather short. Micro and macro dynamic shading have an inextricable relationship. With ne plus ultra resolution, crucial micro dynamic details such as harmonics, note decay, sudden shifts in intensity, ambience, spatial dimensions, timbre, and presence appear with incisive clarity. With an unconstrained Macro dynamic range, sudden shifts from pianissimo (ppp) to fortissimo (fff) sound explosive, yet oh so smooth. Transient responses quickly gauge how accurately your reference system can reproduce signal changes. Dynamics are unfettered, yet there that hint of a pronounced drawl as heard with deep American South patois. And I reckon that ain’t a bad thing t’all. Regardless of the quality of the recording, the resolution is ne plus ultra without sibilance or fatigue.


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Originally Posted by Welly Wu
Multiple A-B-A-B-A-B sighted listening test results lead me to conclude that there are sonic nuances between the Cardas Golden Reference and Blue Jeans Cable along with Volex 17604 cables, but the magnitude is tiny. If I signed up to take a controlled scientific double blind A-B-X listening test comparing these three cable manufacturers products, then I honestly admit that I will fail.


I'm confused.
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The gist is that there isn't enough of a difference between these (or any?) cables to tell which is which blind:wire basically is wire. But on the other hand a wire can have a laundry list of distinctive attributes.

I'm not finding fault with your effort Welly as I think cable spotting is a tough task and a mine field to speak of publicly.

I've recently dropped wire way down on my list of priorities. This happened mostly by an accident of the reality check type as I searched for an upgrade for my speakers and the sheer amount of value for the dollar that could be had, had some cables look utterly, totally absurd in comparison. Looking back I try to imagine, for my own amusement, a nightmare scenario of having spent $4K on cables and cords instead of the three way floorstanders that are presently thrilling me and seem like an utterly, absurd bargain. Buyer's remorse NOT!

That said, a dealer near me wants me to borrow one pair each of interconnect and speaker cable of Nordost Baldur, Heimdall, Frey (and maybe Tyr?). I'm going to agree and despite my having lowered the value of connections, I'll keep an open mind as well as I can.

Thanks Welly
 
Jun 3, 2006 at 1:29 AM Post #19 of 48
I ordered a Blue Jeans 1m RCA cable yesterday to compare to some of the other cables I have (Golden Ref, Neutral Ref, Chimera Labs, Grover UR7, Bogdan). I'm no expert, and I am going in with an open mind. I'm likely going to also pick up either a Signal Cable Silver Resolution and/or an AudioPath 8 strand silver RCA as well. I'll report back, however it will take a while to do an actual comparison.
 
Jun 3, 2006 at 12:49 PM Post #20 of 48
I got fantastic experience with Ridge Street Audio Poiema!!!.
I thought I'm settled with Cardas Golden Reference cables forever,
but now it seems I have to sell them.
Tons of details, clarity and almost perfect bass and dynamics
with Poiema!!! And It's not just subtle differencies to Cardas,
you can hear it like day and night...
A bit precautions for those with bright systems.
They are born for headphone listening, because of extreme soundstage and depth.IMO
I had also Nordost SPM Reference and think there is no reason to spend on cables more than 1000$.
 
Jun 5, 2006 at 5:15 AM Post #22 of 48
Why is that Welly Wu? If you're happy with the Blue Jeans and Volex combination then why don't you sell off the Cardas gear to give you some cash towards your CD player?
 
Jun 5, 2006 at 5:30 AM Post #23 of 48
I still want to keep my Cardas Golden Reference cables because I buy and hold my high fidelity components like my equities. I can afford my Ayre Acoustics CX-7 Evolution CD player without having to sell any existing components. I do not plan on purchasing any more high fidelity components this year.
 
Jun 5, 2006 at 5:34 AM Post #24 of 48
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Originally Posted by Todd R
Does your Mom know you're playing on the computer?
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In other words, If I don't like them I might still have a use for them.
TR



Or better return them, not all cable manufacturers let you do that, specially at this price point...no questions asked, i returned a S_video to them because I had no use for it, and the refund was next day after receiving the cable in my account, OUTLAW for example IIRC, does not let you return cables, and they are more expensive...just to mention one...

Now for the other posters, just because someone had tested hundreds of cables, that does not make that reviewer, or poster, more trusty than anybody else, nor his/her opinion more valid, and written in stone, at least not to me. That is just his/her experience, and his/her opinion, that does not constitute a universal truth, in any way...One of the strengths of this review, and one of the things that it shows up, is just that, he states that is silly to follow those reviewers, nor all what you read about one particular topic. It is more practical and better to try to evaluate for yourself. Another point is that the hearing has to be also up to the task, don't forget that, some of us are old fellows with some deficiencies due to the age, that will hit us, regardless of how good or bad our gear will be...and we are more prone to not hear differences, specially if they are of this magnitude...so small.....BTW I'm not that old neither, and my hearing is very good, tested, and a little educated, by force here!!!!

BTW this review is just between this two manufactures, there is no further generalization IMO, nothing wrong on that, we have seen here many times reviews and comparisons among two or multiple manufacturers/items, you are entitled to your own conclusions after, and if you may want to generalize or not, depending on your experience...
 
Jun 10, 2006 at 1:31 PM Post #25 of 48
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it fair to say that for cables, BJC is pretty much at the bottom end when it goes to prices. They use boots though, and I don't think top of the end rca connectors. For double or a bit more you can get something like bullet plugs, but these seem to be the best option if you are on a tight budget.

I have no experience with them though.
 
Jun 10, 2006 at 2:35 PM Post #26 of 48
I personally do not believe that a cable will be responsible for such dramatic changes ToddR mentioned, those are indeed huge changes and differences, and given the bias he previously showed before getting them...
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....honestly I would like to try one day the Cardas, if someone lend them to me to hear those by myself, but for now I'm pretty satisfied with the sound I got from the BJC, it is true also that I have a very small room to test them in details and my system is pretty humble, so maybe that is why there is no need to go any further...

IMO a good cable just take the info from point A to point B and degrade it the less possible, lost of info happen during the process, specially changes in freq spectrum, but sorry I do not believe that the soundstage is a matter of the cables used, IMO soundstage is due more to the placement of speakers, mikes during recording, more than of the cables or equipment used...it is a 3D (or 2D better) distribution of the sound...how can a cable could change that, another question to answer (and prove) in that voodooish field of audio....
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But I may be totally wrong, I would like to try them though one day, but before it is good to state that I'm coming from the complete opposite side of bias as Todd was coming...
 
Jun 10, 2006 at 3:51 PM Post #27 of 48
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
I personally do not believe that a cable will be responsible for such dramatic changes Todd mentioned, those are indeed huge changes and differences, and given the bias he previously showed before getting them...
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....honestly I would like to try one day the Cardas, if someone lend them to me to hear those by myself, but for now I'm pretty satisfied with the sound I got from the BJC, it is true also that I have a very small room to test them in details and my system is pretty humble, so maybe that is why there is no need to go any further...

IMO a good cable just take the info from point A to point B and degrade it the less possible, lost of info happen during the process, specially changes in freq spectrum, but sorry I do not believe that the soundstage is a matter of the cables used, IMO soundstage is due more to the placement of speakers, mikes during recording, more than of the cables or equipment used...it is a 3D (or 2D better) distribution of the sound...how can a cable could change that, another question to answer (and prove) in that voodooish field of audio....
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But I may be totally wrong, I would like to try them though one day, but before it is good to state that I'm coming from the complete opposite side of bias as Todd was coming...



Two years in the making the results will hopefully put an end to it once and for all =) http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72890
 
Jun 10, 2006 at 3:56 PM Post #28 of 48
Jun 10, 2006 at 4:23 PM Post #29 of 48
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
I personally do not believe that a cable will be responsible for such dramatic changes Todd mentioned...


Well dramatic a is relative term isn't it? It was a large difference however with the proper music.

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
honestly I would like to try one day the Cardas, if someone lend them to me to hear those by myself, but for now I'm pretty satisfied with the sound I got from the BJC,


I got a pair I'd be willing to loan you when you're ready.

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
IMO a good cable just take the info from point A to point B and degrade it the less possible, lost of info happen during the process, specially changes in freq spectrum, but sorry I do not believe that the soundstage is a matter of the cables used, IMO soundstage is due more to the placement of speakers, mikes during recording, more than of the cables or equipment used...it is a 3D (or 2D better) distribution of the sound...how can a cable could change that, another question to answer (and prove) in that voodooish field of audio....
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The first part of your statement is true, cables can only loose information. Better cables just loose less of it on the way.
However, for the most part a perceived change in the frequency spectrum is usually from a loss elsewhere. I.E. a warm full sounding cable usually is missing information in the highs which would have balanced the sound back to neutral had they been there.

As far as the comments about soundstage, what you said does matter but only during the recording of the music, and during initial set up of your stereo.

If those low level acoustical cues that were captured on the recording are lost during playback, then the illusion of soundstage size, image placement, etc will be ruined.
Since the only variable in this test was the cable, it's obvious that was the BJC was culprit.

BTW, remember my Son took this test with no prior knowledge of what I was testing and his impressions confirmed mine.
TR
 
Jun 10, 2006 at 4:34 PM Post #30 of 48
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Originally Posted by Todd R
Well dramatic a is relative term isn't it? It was a large difference however with the proper music.



I got a pair I'd be willing to loan you when you're ready.



The first part of your statement is true, cables can only loose information. Better cables just loose less of it on the way.
However, for the most part a perceived change in the frequency spectrum is usually from a loss elsewhere. I.E. a warm full sounding cable usually is missing information in the highs which would have balanced the sound back to neutral had they been there.

As far as the comments about soundstage, what you said does matter but only during the recording of the music, and during initial set up of your stereo.

If those low level acoustical cues that were captured on the recording are lost during playback, then the illusion of soundstage size, image placement, etc will be ruined.
Since the only variable in this test was the cable, it's obvious that was the BJC was culprit.

BTW, remember my Son took this test with no prior knowledge of what I was testing and his impressions confirmed mine.
TR




Yo have my mailing address, and you still owe me that Prehead for evaluation (with no hum)....
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.....I never get it to a full listening test, and I'm interested, I use the Cross-1 myself regularly, and I would like to see how it sounds integrated in the amp...

If you want to send them to me, I really appreciated you gesture, and it is OK, but for sure I will not buy them, I will not spend $600.00 in cables, while my source is still under that price.....
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That makes no sense at all to me, OK? But at least I could have an referecne point to talk about with you later on, right?.....
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