Senn 600's Recabled with Mogami Neglex (pics)
Apr 10, 2005 at 8:57 PM Post #31 of 64
Sermon,

Yes, the pinless plug I made fits snugly into the headphone cup once I shaved it down to the right size (clay molds don't make exact copies).
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Apr 11, 2005 at 3:32 AM Post #32 of 64
Mono:
I've considered this too... A couple of problems:

1: Pop the screen off your senns, and look at the connection... it's completely encased in molded carbon-fiber... to get at it, you might SERIOUSLY destroy your cans.

2: If you did succeed, and someday wanted to recable again, each time you recabled, re-heating the connection to desolder, solder would do further damage to the carbon fibre houseing.

3: As much as wrestling with the Senn connectors irritates me, I really like the idea of detachable cords, especially so that when I or someone else trips/steps over/on my cord, it just pops the connector out instead of tearing the driver out of the phones, or doing other perminant damage.

Just some thoughts-

Sermon
 
Apr 11, 2005 at 4:50 AM Post #34 of 64
If you have even a small milling machine, you could make a two sided mold into a metal block. Precise measuring with a caliper would be no big deal. Then you could lube up the metal so the epoxy casting resin won't stick...a light machine oil, even PAM or olive oil. Just don't leave a thick coat, just a thin residue. Place the peices together in a vice, place the plugs in, pour in the epoxy resin. Let it harden, open the vice, BAM, instant precision connector. Then you just clean up any remaining flash with a hobby knife. You could even mill it out to be a little oversized (I'm talking a LITTLE oversided, like not even a millimeter bigger, because hand milling won't be so precise) then cut it down later. The hard part of course is milling the mold. Well, not even that, moreso actually HAVING a milling machine at your disposal, and the tiny milling bits to do so. But seriously, that would make the best plug, period. You can dye the epoxy too, so you can even have your blue and red for each channel.
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Hmm...gnewcomer just mentioned that the solder connections are encased in carbon fiber on the HD600. I won't be able to tell what that means without a picture or until my HD600 arrive, but methinks I'll have to rethink my cabling method. I got my HD600 slightly used and slightly broken without a cable for super cheap (just send the back to Sennheiser, free repair). I was going to just solder my DIY cable to the drivers, but that may not be so easy. I also considered using submini stereo jacks, which is a much cleaner solution than cutting up an existing cable, albeit doesn't work with any other cable. It's also hard to tell just how hard it would be to install submini or any other kind of two connector jack into the HD600 without looking at how the leads from the connector connect to the driver. I've heard of a "thin gold wire" which sounds rather delicate.
 
Apr 11, 2005 at 4:24 PM Post #35 of 64
Ooooo..... Milling machine have I. Emon, I'll have to give a whack at milling out a plug mold. As you note, the hard part may be finding the small bits.

If such a solution would work, there is one further issue: Does anyone know the specs of those little gold plugs themselves? It would be fantastic, really fantastic, if we could build our own plugs via epoxy molding, AND had a source for the little plug bits: Then, we wouldn't have to blow 15-35 bones on a cable just to cut it to bits.

-Sermon
 
Apr 11, 2005 at 4:27 PM Post #36 of 64
Somewhere there is a thread about having pins custom made that discussed the dimensions. Unfortunately, I think there were differences in the measurements by different people. I'm not sure if they ever settled on the right measurements.
 
Apr 11, 2005 at 10:47 PM Post #37 of 64
Don't touch that mill! I thought of an even easier and more effective method today.

Basically what I devised is a way to make a two part mold from epoxy resin. You'll need a small cup or box or some recepticle to pour the epoxy into to make the mold...let's say you have a little 2x2 inch clear plastic open top box. You oil up the insides of the box and all over the connector, just smear it on and remove any excess. You just want enough so the epoxy resin doesn't stick (and considering it's probably made not to stick that much it shouldn't be hard). A light machine oil like for bikes or sewing machines would probably work well. Then you fill the box with the resin and add the hardener. Then you need to hold the plug exactly halfway deep (more on that later). Wait for it to harden, take it out. You now have half a mold. You can repeat the process to get the other half, or you can do two plugs at once, then cut it in half between each half of a mold. Then you line them up, stick them in a vice (with slats of wood to pretect the plastic and even the force), stick your plugs/wire/strain relief gizmo in, pour in the resin and hardener and wait. Then you pop open the vice and you have a perfectly molded plug.
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The tricky part is making sure you set the plug into the liquid resin exactly half deep. You can't set it in farther because then things won't match up. Or, if you do set it in farther, you'll have to make the other half by placing the entire half mold into a taller but same width and length container, placing the plug in (perhaps use a little mild adhesive with the plug and the mold to make a seal, like nail polish so more epoxy doesn't flow underneath) and then pour epoxy onto the top of the half mold + plug. Of course everything has to be greased up as well, I just stopped mentioning that. The method I just mentioned should work as long for rectangular connectors, but anything with a curve and you won't be able to pull the plug out without destroying part of the mold...it would have to be exactly at the hemisphere.

Anyways, if you don't try that just mentioned method, you'll need a rig to make sure the plug only dips in exactly half way. I suggest you glue four lengths of string or fishing line to each corner of the plug on one side (a little dab of nail polish should hold it and is easily removed). You can tug on each string individually until you get it lined up and perfectly even. You'll want like a bar or a beam or something elevated on each side of the molding pot, you know like something that looks like a swingset without the swings, four total, one for each length of string. You can loop the string over the top of each bar and hold it in place with a little sticky tack. Adjust them one at a time, clamping it in place with the sticky tack until you get it perfectly even.

I have no idea if any of what I've said makes sense, so I'm going to draw a picture and get back to you.
 
Apr 12, 2005 at 1:14 AM Post #38 of 64
I've been doodling around with a couple of the plugs that I got from the Meier group buy, and although I'm not done with my cable, I've tried something that seems like it's going to work really well. If I could post pix, it would be much easier to understand. Basically I carefully cut each pin from the plug, then removed the cable from the other end, then used a pin vise to drill a hole straight back from each pin location, through the original wiring, about half way back into the plug. Then I drilled in at an angle from the cable end to connect to the first holes. Now I have a path for each pin from the cable end through to the pin location, and I still have a completely intact plug. Now it will simply be a matter of feeding the cables through their respective holes, soldering to the pins, pulling the cable/pin assembly back until the pins are back in their proper locations, and gluing each pin in place. Like I said, pictures would help, but I have no dig camera. Sorry.
 
Apr 12, 2005 at 1:16 AM Post #39 of 64
Edit: I just realized I was making this way harder than it had to be. See bottom, but keep reading my rant if you wish.

Here's a rough GIMP diagram of the alignment jig I proposed above:
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Basically you would pull on each string and hold it in place with some sticky tack, going from string to string until you get it exactly level. Well, it doesn't have to be EXACTLY level with the waterline (or epoxyline that is) but it should be pretty easy to get it damn close. You can use the existing plastic flash of the original connector as a guideline. And since the resin will be water thin until you add the hardener, you can take all the time you need.

If you wanted to use that method, you'd probably want to build a little setup onto a peice of plywood or something first. If you're like me and you have a ton of scrap metal, wood, pipes, electronics, plumbing stuff, anything you can imagine lying around your house that your dad has been saving for the past 40 years, you should have no trouble finding something to work as those bar thingies the strings attach to. Especially working on such a small scale makes it easier.

However it would probably be more simple to settle with an uneven mold, which would only work on plugs that don't have any curves or specific points where they become symmetric, otherwise it would get totally messed up. You could do like so:
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The purpose of the nail polish is to make sure the plug sticks to the bottom mold and makes a nice seal so the new epoxy won't flood under the plug and wash it away. Nail polish remover is easily removed by just snapping the plug out and cleaning up any excess with acetone (which damages plastics, including epoxy and the plug no doubt, so be careful. It won't melt it, not very fast, but be careful) or even better, a plastics safe electronics contact cleaner (any electronics contact cleaner for PCBs and stuff is plastic safe). Then when you're finished you have two half molds, and if you casted them in the same size container (like above when I said a square container and another, same size square container which is taller) you'll have a perfect, square fit between halves.

I'm probably still not clear, but I'm going to try this in the next few weeks, and if it works like I think it will, I'll write a tutorial and make a simple video showing the technique (probably using SketchUp since it has simple tools for that).

Edit: I just noticed that in my last drawing, it shows such a huge margin of error that the pins are completely encased in epoxy. That would be bad. As I said, the uneven method doesn't work for round objects, which would include the pins. However if your margin of error was low enough it should work. Although you still may want to think about that centering rig or even something simpler. Simple...hahah, I just got it.

Sooo simple. You'll want something flat, like a peice a sheet metal, some high quality wood, or best, a peice of float glass (which will be almost perfectly flat, well beyond what we would need, but still the best). Using some light adhesive such as nail polish, or, if you are trying to adhere to glass or plastic and roughening the surface doesn't help, you can use a small dab of silicone adhesive sealant, which you can buy at any hardware store. Use a VERY little bit, just enough to make it stick, and you want it to be as FLAT against the wood/metal/glass/etc as possible. Then it's simple. You get any containter with a flat top, like a film container (the little cylinders). The shorter the better, because you don't want to waste epoxy. And because it's easier to clamp later. I can't think of anything specific that is that damn tiny, but you can probably find something somewhere. The lower half of an Altoids container, perhaps. The flatter the rim the better. Then just drop the flat metal/plastic/glass/etc with the plug glued onto it on top of the container, and pour in the epoxy resin and add the hardener. Well, okay you'll probably want a hole in your flat surface to make that easier. But you pour it on (with the container on a FLAT surface like a good kitchen counter) veeery slowly until the waterlevel reaches your exact halfway point. Do that twice for two molds, or continue using the make-the-other-half-by-molding-it-against-the-first-mold-with-the-plug-glued-in-place method I mentioned above (the diagram with the nail polish stuff).

Wow...that probably made no sense. Again. But as said, I'll come up with a good video showing the technique after I master it. If it all works out as it does in my head, the entire build time for a custom plug should be a matter hours including epoxy hardening time. Materials cost will be somewhere around 10 or 20 dollars, the closest hobby store to me sells like 10 or 15 dollar jugs of epoxy casting resin and hardener for a few bucks. But it's good stuff to have around anyway.
 
Apr 12, 2005 at 1:33 PM Post #42 of 64
Emon,

I have been thinking about making the same kind of mold that you are talking about. You have to also think about making two channels in each half of the mold for the pins to rest in. If you make a mold with the pins still intact you would also be molding the pins.
 
Apr 12, 2005 at 4:05 PM Post #43 of 64
What do you mean, "you would also be molding the pins"? That's the idea...you make the mold with the original plug intact, that way you have two channels for the pins to rest in.
 
Apr 13, 2005 at 11:58 AM Post #44 of 64
Hullo,
Gorgeous cable there!
I was wondering about the 2-1 junction on your headphone cable, where the two strands go into one. There is a metal ring/adapter of some sort, it looks like a 1/4 plug in reverse... did you cut off the plug and just use the base? It's a little confusing.

thank you for the info in advance.
 
Apr 13, 2005 at 12:53 PM Post #45 of 64
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emon
What do you mean, "you would also be molding the pins"? That's the idea...you make the mold with the original plug intact, that way you have two channels for the pins to rest in.



I see what you are saying now. I was a little confused with how you were going to make your mold. After reading through your post carefully I can see that you are on the right track. Forget I said anything.

I hope this works.
 

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