Not a weird conclusion.
Yes, if I used Sennheiser HD 800 or Stax 009 in a noisy place they could not sound as good as in a quiet setting and stereo imaging would definitely suffer. But they are not intended for this type of use and in any case they start with world class imaging, not poor imaging.
I found the the KSC75's imaging poor even in ideal conditions i.e. used in a quiet environment with no extraneous noise and attached to something that can drive them easily to reasonable levels. It's not as good as other 'phones I had to hand to make a comparison, which are:
Shure SE215 (IEM - closed)
Sennheiser HD 500 (headphone - open)
Sennheiser MX 5 (earbud - open)
Sennheiser CX 95 (IEM - closed)
The KSC75 are described by Koss as follows:
"The ideal active headphones for music lovers living an active lifestyle."
"Perfect for travel, the KSC75s deliver outstanding sound at home or on the move."
So it's reasonable to try them in those circumstances. If you find Senn or Stax making similar claims about the suitability of the HD 800 or 009 for travel and activity use then I'll begin to take that particular criticism seriously (maybe) but as it stands it is a bit silly.
Background noise is obviously a factor in stereo imaging because noise substantially narrows the dynamic range and negatively affects the ability to clearly distinguish different sounds and quiter sounds may be completely masked. The illusion of a coherent soundtage and of position within it is broken. I'm surprised it's neccessary to state this but you did actually write:
"Background sound kills the stereo imaging, bs."
",bs" offers no information or argument. It isn't a useful comment. Why even bother?
Your final sentence decribes the stero imaging both as "pretty good" and then "sound is not enough clean,
to talk of true/good stereo separation".
Both cannot be true at the same time.
The Koss KSC75 do have some positive aspects but when it comes to soundstage they are very firmly in the class of "a bit on the left, a bit on the right and some sound on the front of the head".
I've been using the KSC75 again today with my iRiver H140, my Sansa Clip+ and my PC with C-Media CM6206 based USB soundcard. I've also been using my Senn CX 95 and Shure SE215. I've got the KSC75 on right now while I listen to the CD that I think has the best soundstage of any I own (York Bowen's Symphonies 1 & 2 ; BBC Philharmonic, Sir Andrew Davis). I'm completely confident in restating that both the CX 95 and Shures offer much better stereo imaging, and even the MX 5 buds do this a little better.The Koss KSC75 have some good qualities but the ability to create a coherent soundstage is definitely not among them.
Yes, if I used Sennheiser HD 800 or Stax 009 in a noisy place they could not sound as good as in a quiet setting and stereo imaging would definitely suffer. But they are not intended for this type of use and in any case they start with world class imaging, not poor imaging.
I found the the KSC75's imaging poor even in ideal conditions i.e. used in a quiet environment with no extraneous noise and attached to something that can drive them easily to reasonable levels. It's not as good as other 'phones I had to hand to make a comparison, which are:
Shure SE215 (IEM - closed)
Sennheiser HD 500 (headphone - open)
Sennheiser MX 5 (earbud - open)
Sennheiser CX 95 (IEM - closed)
The KSC75 are described by Koss as follows:
"The ideal active headphones for music lovers living an active lifestyle."
"Perfect for travel, the KSC75s deliver outstanding sound at home or on the move."
So it's reasonable to try them in those circumstances. If you find Senn or Stax making similar claims about the suitability of the HD 800 or 009 for travel and activity use then I'll begin to take that particular criticism seriously (maybe) but as it stands it is a bit silly.
Background noise is obviously a factor in stereo imaging because noise substantially narrows the dynamic range and negatively affects the ability to clearly distinguish different sounds and quiter sounds may be completely masked. The illusion of a coherent soundtage and of position within it is broken. I'm surprised it's neccessary to state this but you did actually write:
"Background sound kills the stereo imaging, bs."
",bs" offers no information or argument. It isn't a useful comment. Why even bother?
Your final sentence decribes the stero imaging both as "pretty good" and then "sound is not enough clean,
to talk of true/good stereo separation".
Both cannot be true at the same time.
The Koss KSC75 do have some positive aspects but when it comes to soundstage they are very firmly in the class of "a bit on the left, a bit on the right and some sound on the front of the head".
I've been using the KSC75 again today with my iRiver H140, my Sansa Clip+ and my PC with C-Media CM6206 based USB soundcard. I've also been using my Senn CX 95 and Shure SE215. I've got the KSC75 on right now while I listen to the CD that I think has the best soundstage of any I own (York Bowen's Symphonies 1 & 2 ; BBC Philharmonic, Sir Andrew Davis). I'm completely confident in restating that both the CX 95 and Shures offer much better stereo imaging, and even the MX 5 buds do this a little better.The Koss KSC75 have some good qualities but the ability to create a coherent soundstage is definitely not among them.
Background sound kills the stereo imaging, bs.
I personally find the soundstage of ksc75 pretty good (illusion of space taken by the sound) , but their sound is not enough clean,
to talk of true/good stereo separation.