Another PCB Layout - Gilmore Dynalo / Dynamid
Feb 28, 2005 at 12:44 PM Post #196 of 287
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Originally Posted by steinchen
but transistor matching is not unconditional neccessary for a working amp, is it ? the pots and the servos will put the offset nearly down to zero (if I understand some infos right). Matching transitors is for minimizing takeover distortion and maximizing performance.


The purpose (and importance) for matching transistors differ depending on which transistors we're talking about. At the output stage of the dyna{lo,hi}, since there are multiple pairs of transistors in parallel, matching the hfe between the NPNs helps to equalize the amount of current flowing through each branch. There are emitter resistors to help this too, so the matching is not too critical. The match between the NPN and the PNP sides are for making the transition between the two halves more linear, but since the output stage is operating in class A for most loads, the transistors never cut off so again the importance of matching here is not that great.

For the input differential stage, though, the matching is important for keeping the basic DC offset low, and to allow the global feedback to do its job properly, minimizing distortion.
 
Feb 28, 2005 at 12:48 PM Post #197 of 287
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Originally Posted by steinchen
Could only get 2SJ 109 BL and 2SK 389 BL, are the BL types ok for the Dynalo ?


Yes, the BL is actually the preferred grade.
 
Feb 28, 2005 at 12:52 PM Post #198 of 287
im getting a bit confused now ive powered my board up and started taking measurements.

can someone please let me know which way is the right way for me to be measuring dc offset.

input to output?
input ground to output signal?
input signal to output ground?

some measurements are way way off, some are close to what i want. when i connect common to output signal, positive to input signal (on my dmm, set to mv) i get 1-3mV of offset. when i switch the polarity of the probes around the figure moves around all over the place!
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after i've got this amp done i intend to publish a build diary to help others who are building it when the group buy gets in to swing!

zing thats it's current state
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Feb 28, 2005 at 1:47 PM Post #199 of 287
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Originally Posted by skyskraper
can someone please let me know which way is the right way for me to be measuring dc offset.


With the audio input tied to ground with a 10K resistor, measure the output+ terminal with respect to power supply ground. just use the two terminals on the output connector block.
 
Feb 28, 2005 at 2:25 PM Post #202 of 287
beautiful. im just letting the circuit settle in before i take some final readings. right now its very low dc offset with the op amp in, -1mV on one channel and 1mV on another, although im not sure my meter's resolution is fine enough for those to really be accurate figures, it fluctuates +/-3mv with nothing connected to it
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Feb 28, 2005 at 5:28 PM Post #203 of 287
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Originally Posted by steinchen
but transistor matching is not unconditional neccessary for a working amp, is it ? the pots and the servos will put the offset nearly down to zero (if I understand some infos right). Matching transitors is for minimizing takeover distortion and maximizing performance.

I got problems getting the trannies here in Europe. Could only get 2SJ 109 BL and 2SK 389 BL, are the BL types ok for the Dynalo ? Can't find the 2SA1015 and 2SA1815 at all, even bdent.com is out of stock. Is it possible to get a set with the pcbs ?



Have you tried FIBRA-BRANDT in Germany? I know Justin of headamp used to order all the trannies from them, but did mention that they were only cost-effective for large orders. Not sure if that applies to you since you are in Germany...

BL are fine (that's what mine are from MCM). My 2SA1015s and 2SC1815s are GR. All from MCM.
 
Feb 28, 2005 at 5:32 PM Post #204 of 287
been listening for a couple of hours now. mmm this is lovely.

for my millionth question, what resistor should i change to lower the gain? i've read a few posts and am just uncertain, it seems r2 should be increased to decrease the gain, but i'm not 100% on it.

big thanks to all of you guys who've answered my q's to date, im starting to understand whats going on in the circuit now
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Feb 28, 2005 at 7:05 PM Post #205 of 287
dgardner told me that the gain is controlled by R7 & R16 for one amp and R46 & R37 for the other amp, where R7 and R37 are 1K ohm, R16 and R46 are 10K ohm. To lower the gain increase the value of R7 and R37.

(I actually helped someone... I think
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Mar 1, 2005 at 3:01 AM Post #207 of 287
thanks! i'll give that a shot
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i couldnt find an off the shelf 220-240v -15,0,15 supply so i built my own using a pcb for a psu from another project. seems the 7815/7915 are only outputting 13.9v each atm though (i have a feeling the led's on the board are responsible for that!), seeing as my toroid is a 18-0-18, after rectification i should have enough power to run higher rated regulators
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Mar 1, 2005 at 9:08 AM Post #208 of 287
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Originally Posted by Pars
Have you tried FIBRA-BRANDT in Germany? I know Justin of headamp used to order all the trannies from them, but did mention that they were only cost-effective for large orders. Not sure if that applies to you since you are in Germany...

BL are fine (that's what mine are from MCM). My 2SA1015s and 2SC1815s are GR. All from MCM.



reichelt.de carries all needed trannies, didn't find them in the first try because they are listed as "SA 1015" and not "2SA1015" ... what a huge difference a little blanc can make ...

prices are quite reasonable so I'll buy a whole bunch of them for matching
 
Mar 1, 2005 at 11:08 AM Post #209 of 287
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Originally Posted by skyskraper
seems the 7815/7915 are only outputting 13.9v each atm though


That doesn't sound right. The regulators shouldn't be that far off. I think perhaps the regulator isn't seeing sufficient voltage at its input.

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seeing as my toroid is a 18-0-18, after rectification i should have enough power to run higher rated regulators
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Measure the AC voltage at the transformer secondary, as well as the DC voltage before the regulators and it should be clear what's going on.
 

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