windowsx said:

   
If that bug can make me rich enough to throw a fortune for silly toys without affecting highend quality of life, I'd rather have that bug honestly.

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gregorio said:

   
1. If it's not an audible improvement, then it's obviously not an "improvement", or at least, not an aural improvement, though possibly a visual improvement. Measurements are very useful and can (depending on what we're measuring and what the measurements are) tell us all we need to know but other times, measurements may be inconclusive, in which case we have to look elsewhere for an answer and by far the most reliable place is some form of DBT.
 
2. I object to your classification system and clearly defining me as an objectivist. The main reason I love my work as an audio engineer is because it's almost entirely about subjectivity; making subjective evaluations and then creating subjective corrections/modifications based on those subjective evaluations. Few jobs are as subjective as mine and I'm paid for my subjective abilities. I am in fact therefore a subjectivist, the exact opposite of what you're tying to classify me as!!
 
3. "Very high price" is a weapon audiophiles commonly use in a futile attempt to make a some point or other. It's futile and foolish for two reasons: 1. The point it most commonly proves is nothing other than how gullible/susceptible to marketing BS they are and 2. It's a pathetic, puny little weapon compared to the weapons many of us (you're calling "objectivists") routinely use. My speaker system cost about $30,000 and I've spent around double that figure on acoustics. I regularly work in rooms/systems which cost over $1m and occasionally in ones which cost $20m or so.
 
Despite my own roughly third of a million dollar environment and my experience in other commercial environments costing nearly 100 times more than that, I've never bought (or seen in any other studio) a USB cable which cost more than about $10! Compared to the hundreds of thousands or millions spent, a few grand for a USB cable is a relatively insignificant amount money which we would/could easily purchase if such a USB cable actually made any difference but as expensive USB cables don't make even the tiniest of audible differences, I (and the far more costly studios) would far rather spend our money on items which do actually make a difference or not spend it in the first place! Bare in mind that even a relatively modest facility like mine has to spend at least $1k-$2k on cables any way, so it's nothing to do with any aversion to spending money on cables, where it makes a difference!!
 
So please, enough of the "high-end" and other nonsense because I doubt you've ever experience really high-end!
 
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windowsx said:

   
I stopped reading your post after you're trying to tell me you're a subjectivist. From your past posts, you're a objectivst thorough and rough. Try asking anyone if they're agree with you that you're a subjectivst. If I tell you I'm actually an objectivist investing a lot of highend gears from highend market and studio market and do research and measurements with real highend audio shop myself, will you believe it?
 
By the way, I know some studios producing very good sound quality, they pay attention to every detail and build dedicated DAW PC with good quality USB cable. It's not crazily expensive but still much better than $10 ones. If you really work on audio engineering fields, please share or PM me some of your works. Let me see if you can pull out qualities surpassing my expectations.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee

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mr rick said:

  Discussions such as this bring to mind Andrew Jones. A man capable of designing reasonably priced, and capable speakers for the masses, as well as mega-buck systems for those with very deep pockets. I attended a seminar in which he explained the compromises and trade-offs he has to make when designing to a "price point". It was very enlightening.

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windowsx said:

  By the way, I know some studios producing very good sound quality, they pay attention to every detail and build dedicated DAW PC with good quality USB cable.

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gregorio said:

   
A dedicated DAW PC costs a few hundred bucks and I'm talking about $20m+ world famous studios. Again, please give up the high-end nonsense, your not even on the same planet and you're just making yourself look foolish!
 
And, I don't buy "very good quality" USB cables, I buy PERFECT quality USB cables and the last one I bought was, if I remember correctly, quite a bit less than $10!!!
 
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windowsx said:

   
Hey. What about your albums? Come on, I'm going to purchase audio works done by you and see if your works can change my way of thinking.

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windowsx said:

It costs a fortune for better sound quality. Everything costs a lot and there's no clear scientific evidence that can prove for better sound. Yet a few wealthy audiophiles are willing to purchase them and appreciate them.

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gregorio said:

   
A dedicated DAW PC costs a few hundred bucks and I'm talking about $20m+ world famous studios. Again, please give up the high-end nonsense, your not even on the same planet and you're just making yourself look foolish!
 
And, I don't buy "very good quality" USB cables, I buy PERFECT quality USB cables and the last one I bought was, if I remember correctly, quite a bit less than $10!!!
 
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bfreedma said:

I'm not sure which I find more frustrating:

Your continuous trolling of Sound Science with these threads or your refusal to accept well qualified responses to your posts without providing a rational counterpoint and/or valid data supporting your position.

Either way, please stop and take the daily troll bait to the Cables forum.

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windowsx said:

   
Dear gentlemen,
 
I think that depends on community. I'm posting the same thread in reddit and audioasylum too as you can see here.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/5o2psx/is_highend_audio_evil_science/
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=pcaudio&m=162513
 
And I think those two communities are engaging in more positive manner than in Head-Fi Sound Science forum. Don't you agree, dear gentleman?
 
By the way, I'm still waiting for albums produced by gregorio. I'm kind of person who'll look at what they do rather than what they talk. It'd be an enlightenment for me if his works are really great, I'd love to follow his footsteps for real. You don't see much of people whom you're arguing with trying to learn from your point of view like this. Please think of this action in more positive light, please.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee

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watchnerd said:

   

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windowsx said:

   
You lazy bum!

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windowsx said:

bfreedma said:

I'm not sure which I find more frustrating:

Your continuous trolling of Sound Science with these threads or your refusal to accept well qualified responses to your posts without providing a rational counterpoint and/or valid data supporting your position.

Either way, please stop and take the daily troll bait to the Cables forum.

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Dear gentlemen,
 
I think that depends on community. I'm posting the same thread in reddit and audioasylum too as you can see here.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/5o2psx/is_highend_audio_evil_science/
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=pcaudio&m=162513
 
And I think those two communities are engaging in more positive manner than in Head-Fi Sound Science forum. Don't you agree, dear gentleman?
 
By the way, I'm still waiting for albums produced by gregorio. I'm kind of person who'll look at what they do rather than what they talk.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee

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bfreedma said:

LOL

Am I supposed to be surprised that Reddit and AA are consuming your posts without appropriate technical scrutiny?

If you simply want subjective opinions masquerading as knowledgeable responses, I'm sure those two sites are superb resources for you.

Here's where I think you're struggling. You are receiving technically correct answers here that don't fit your sales objectives and preconceived notions. That you refer to that as negativity only highlights the reality that you aren't searching for the right answer, but instead are searching for opinions that right or wrong, agree with your ideas about audio reproduction.

Good luck. I'll await the next thread about green markers improving CD audio playback.

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