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Feliks-Audio EUFORIA - A Wolf in "Sheep's" Clothing...
Jan 19, 2017 at 11:38 AM Post #181 of 11,472
oskari said:
And the same here.

The reason we never discuss double-blind is that the discussion will never ever lead to anything useful.

Religion and politics are exactly the same.
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I can not disagree or agree with percentages or adjectives and superlatives for evaluation the same music with different setups, as it is a personal way of dealing, or trying to translate into numbers what is not possible. (Not forgetting that the hearing capacity of each one varies from oene another).
PSICOACUSTICA is the theme. And it is a Science and an Option
For this can be read for example
http://thepowerofsound.net/psychoacoustics/
Since the science of Tastes, Loves, and Memories is not defined, is felt, which implies all of our senses evaluated subconsciously and at one time in proper evaluation.
Sound is what gives us most PLEASURE
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 1:51 PM Post #184 of 11,472
hypnos1 said:
  Hi guys... interesting  UPDATE from Lukasz at F-A.
 
Firstly, as recommended/asked for by an Elise member some time ago (sorry, can't remember who) as another improvement, Euforia's new power circuit now includes reduction of the "power off" spike that can be disconcerting for some...welcome news indeed!...for you lucky guys anyway, my prototype is without alas (but doesn't actually bother me too much anyway lol
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Secondly, after @canthearyou's query a while back, they looked more closely into the actual power output figure and discovered it is in fact 10 to 20% greater than Elise after all...and so will benefit more power hungry headphones, as well as contributing to the more dynamic/powerful sound...so more good news!!
 
Now for my own update on tube acquisition lol...1x RFT EL12 (ST bottle) and 2x RFT EL12Ns (straight bottle)...and although I'm strictly a "Coke Bottle" fan, I must admit these 'N's look really nice...am very much looking forward to seeing just how the two types perform...as power tubes!!...but not until I get the OK from Lukasz that they should in fact at least not cause any damage to the amp...even though several folks have already tried them in their Elises with no apparent problems (as POWERS at least!) and to great acclaim...
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...I'm especially keen to see just how they compare to my all time favourite power tubes - the GEC/Osram CV2523/A1834...but this will be a while yet, methinks...   :
 
 

 
ps. There's something about (old) triode-strapped pentodes that gets me more interested/excited by the day lol!
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...along with @UntilThen, amongst many others (once again!
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CJ, I don't usually quote someone's post completely but in this instance it's quote worthy and so I will. 
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Boy am I excited to wake up with news of more known differences between Euforia and Elise.
 
Reduction of power off spikes and 10 to 20% more power for Euforia. Nice !!!
 
I'm also glad you bought the EL12N. Now you can verify my (@HOWIE13 and @DecentLevi too) findings that the EL12N are great sounding power tubes. I paid just AUD$57 for my NOS NIB RFT pair. I've been running Sylvania 6sn7wgt and EL12N for several days. Elise feels cool to touch when operational after a few hours. Needless to say. it sounds great or the tubes won't remain in there for so long.
 
Another pair of EL11 adapters are at the Post Office so I should be able to sample EL11 and EL12N combo over the weekend.
 
Ps.. triode-strapped pentodes sounds great indeed.
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 1:56 PM Post #185 of 11,472
frederick rea said:
  I can not disagree or agree with percentages or adjectives and superlatives for evaluation the same music with different setups, as it is a personal way of dealing, or trying to translate into numbers what is not possible. (Not forgetting that the hearing capacity of each one varies from oene another).
PSICOACUSTICA is the theme. And it is a Science and an Option
For this can be read for example
http://thepowerofsound.net/psychoacoustics/
Since the science of Tastes, Loves, and Memories is not defined, is felt, which implies all of our senses evaluated subconsciously and at one time in proper evaluation.
Sound is what gives us most PLEASURE
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Hi F R...given @DavidA's love of hi-fi, plus his exquisite taste in fermented liquids and gorgeous GFs, I would love to know his views on this lol!!
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But sound - specifically music - certainly fires synapses right across the brain...and is so much more than an intellectual exercise, of course...whether it's emotional 'feeling' or mordy's (and others'!) 'toe-tapping' etc.etc....ie. truly wondrous!!...
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 2:06 PM Post #187 of 11,472
aqsw said:
  Well , I put my Liquid Carbon and my Elise up for sale wanting to help fund my Euforia purchase, as I only need two amps. One for home and one for my office.
I would keep whichever one that did not sell first.
 
The Cavalli sold very quickly, which means I will have the Elise in my office and the Euforia in my home. I'm very happy with this.
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Not surprising the Liquid Carbon sold quickly because they don't produce that anymore.
 
However who would dispute that you'll be very happy with Elise in the office and Euforia at home. Elise still sounds amazing to me, which is why I'm not selling it plus it takes 20,000 leagues for it to get to Sydney.
 
Remember we're biking across Canada .... someday.
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 2:16 PM Post #188 of 11,472
seamaster said:
 
That is true but there are caps in between that can be overloaded or fried too. Anything short out in a electric circuit can not be healthy.
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Those caps sure do hold some juice...it always amazes me there aren't more problems caused by these things lol!
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...(I can never get out of my mind the video of someone's totally burned out amp due to installing a new cap next to his old one, without due care and attention...
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!!!). I suppose there is indeed something to be said for an "Output Capacitor-Less" OTL amp LOL!!...
 
But Elise and Euforia have protective circuitry that hopefully would at least mean the house doesn't burn down!!
 
However, of course, shorting tubes can themselves cause real damage, which again should be mimimised by said protection...
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 2:36 PM Post #189 of 11,472
untilthen said:
   
Not surprising the Liquid Carbon sold quickly because they don't produce that anymore.
 
However who would dispute that you'll be very happy with Elise in the office and Euforia at home. Elise still sounds amazing to me, which is why I'm not selling it plus it takes 20,000 leagues for it to get to Sydney.
 
Remember we're biking across Canada .... someday.
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I still own those motorcycles.
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 2:44 PM Post #191 of 11,472
untilthen said:
   
CJ, I don't usually quote someone's post completely but in this instance it's quote worthy and so I will. 
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Boy am I excited to wake up with news of more known differences between Euforia and Elise.
 
Reduction of power off spikes and 10 to 20% more power for Euforia. Nice !!!
 
I'm also glad you bought the EL12N. Now you can verify my (@HOWIE13 and @DecentLevi too) findings that the EL12N are great sounding power tubes. I paid just AUD$57 for my NOS NIB RFT pair. I've been running Sylvania 6sn7wgt and EL12N for several days. Elise feels cool to touch when operational after a few hours. Needless to say. it sounds great or the tubes won't remain in there for so long.
 
Another pair of EL11 adapters are at the Post Office so I should be able to sample EL11 and EL12N combo over the weekend.
 
Ps.. triode-strapped pentodes sounds great indeed.
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Ditto re. your own post, UT!
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...(plus, I'm wondering just what 'cosmetic/identification' tweaks they've come up with...if yours is prettier than mine, I just might breathe a wee sigh...
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...but only a teeny weeny one lol...(hmmmm, wonder what I can ask Lukasz for next...don't even go there!!!...
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Given the price of the EL12N, assuming F-A at least confirm they shouldn't cause any real problems as power tubes, these could indeed prove as big a find as the EL11 driver. Looking forward to your own results with 11/12N combo...and even more so different driver/ST 12 combos! As for me, I simply cannot see them surpassing my 11/GECs...in my system...but who knows - if they come even close, then they will indeed be an amazing bargain...
 
Now then, you just might be the one to help out a newbie who's been in touch with me asking about suitability of Euforia for his types of music - Chinese pop songs/Kitari/all modern. I personally think this amp would suit just fine, especially for vocals, given the smooth delivery and detail right across the FR. He's also looking for cans that might equal the T1s, but for less money...any ideas, after your experience with Elise? Anyone else's views/advice is also gratefully accepted!!...THANKS and CHEERS!...CJ
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 2:52 PM Post #192 of 11,472
untilthen said:
  I forgot which ones.
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I have two 650 Suzuki Burgmans which we would use. I have other bikes too, but we would look so cool on these two. They are very capable bikes for cross country.
Automatic cvt tranny too.
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 2:53 PM Post #193 of 11,472
hypnos1 said:
 
Now then, you just might be the one to help out a newbie who's been in touch with me asking about suitability of Euforia for his types of music - Chinese pop songs/Kitari/all modern. I personally think this amp would suit just fine, especially for vocals, given the smooth delivery and detail right across the FR. He's also looking for cans that might equal the T1s, but for less money...any ideas, after your experience with Elise? Anyone else's views/advice is also gratefully accepted!!...THANKS and CHEERS!...CJ
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Are you kidding me??? Elise sings like a chinese song bird. A pure diva. Just ask @richard68 ( I think that's his sign on). He loves Faye Wong and all the favourite chinese singers with his Elise.
 
I imagine Euforia will be better, no? 
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Anyway Richard is dancing now. So am I.
 

 
 
Cans cheaper than T1 for Elise and Euforia?  HD600 without a doubt.
 
Jan 19, 2017 at 2:59 PM Post #194 of 11,472
aqsw said:
  I have two 650 Suzuki Burgmans which we would use. I have other bikes too, but we would look so cool on these two. They are very capable bikes for cross country.
Automatic cvt tranny too.
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Oh wow those Burgmans do look cool indeed. I'm coming AQ !!!  Make sure your GPS is working.
 

 
Oh wait this is the 650.

 
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