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Audio-GD Singularity 19
Feb 24, 2017 at 1:45 AM Post #76 of 285
kingwa said:
  The S19 or DAC19 had different NOS design than NOS19.
In the S19 or DAC19, In NOS setting ,sound a bit warmer than 8x oversampling.
NOS19 had not warm sound , but soft or musical, even any NOS mode setting.
S19 is neutral or colder than DAC19.
Its sound flavor close the Singularity 7.
If customer want warmer sound as the DAC19, can custom order, we can adjust few parameter let them sound close.
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hi kingwa thanks for the response.
 
i am currently looking at s19 or nos19 and i am still looking at an amp to pair with them.
 
i plan to get a nfb-1amp and connect using acss. Will it change the sound of s19 or nos19?
 
or should i use the single ended c11?
 
Feb 25, 2017 at 6:13 PM Post #77 of 285
gunwale said:
hi kingwa thanks for the response.

i am currently looking at s19 or nos19 and i am still looking at an amp to pair with them.

i plan to get a nfb-1amp and connect using acss. Will it change the sound of s19 or nos19?

or should i use the single ended c11?
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Let me try an answer: the acss is the most transparent and neutral way to go, pick the c-2 if you can't mod your headset to balanced and/or if you need the possibility to tweek the sound flavor assuming the dac's settings are not sufficient. Driving a set of headphones single-ended gives 4 times less power with the NFB-1Amp.

There is no benefit as far as sound is concerned (or degradation) using the balanced headset out on the C-2. The NFB-1 is slightly better than the c-2 using the balanced out and gives the same power. But Lower noise level in theory. Not sure how big a difference it is however...These are two good choices, i picked the Nfb-1 cause i already used the Acss out of my dac to feed the pre and i knew the balanced was better than the RCA out on the master-7. If the c-2 had had a balanced in, i could have chosen it instead.
 
Feb 26, 2017 at 11:17 PM Post #78 of 285
Cool to hear a couple first impressions. S19 is in the works :)
Which would you say sounds more real, musical, smooth, and still has great resolution? -which is what I want. Basically I don't want the same thing as the Modi MB/Bimby - they're great though. I'm sure they all are special in their own way
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S19, DAC19, NOS19?
This has me thinking twice about my choice.... like always. 
 
-T
 
Feb 26, 2017 at 11:28 PM Post #79 of 285
turbosquid67 said:
Cool to hear a couple first impressions. S19 is in the works :)
Which would you say sounds more real, musical, smooth, and still has great resolution? -which is what I want. Basically I don't want the same thing as the Modi MB - it's great though. 
S19, DAC19, NOS19?
This has me thinking twice about my choice....

-T
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me too. i want something different. according to kingwa s19 is dead neutral dac19 is warm and nos19 is musical.
 
Feb 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM Post #80 of 285
Research is key 
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 and then we want different stuff anyways, lol. 
 
I understand it's quite early, but  how's it going with the S19's everyone? Dying to receive mine.
 
I'm curious....
Would anyone be so kind as to share their impressions on their Audio-gd DAC experiences, the PCM1704UK and R-2R in particular, in comparison with that of the Gungnir MB?
 
I could use the search function hehe. 
 
Thank you
 
-T
 
Feb 28, 2017 at 6:13 AM Post #81 of 285
Hi guys, I need your help! I cannot decide between de Audio-gd DAC19 (last version) and the new Singularity 19. What would be the best option? The PCM1704 chip is famous,
but the new technology of the SING19 smiles at me as well. Hope you can help me out!
 
Feb 28, 2017 at 6:19 AM Post #82 of 285
jodokus said:
Hi guys, I need your help! I cannot decide between de Audio-gd DAC19 (last version) and the new Singularity 19. What would be the best option? The PCM1704 chip is famous,
but the new technology of the SING19 smiles at me as well. Hope you can help me out!
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me too i cant(and probably will never be able to) decide between s19 nos19 and ares... i am just too afraid that the dead neutral s19 being too neutral. I wanted nos19 but it is actually software dsp tuned (nothing wrong with that actually). ares has too many capacitors... i just wish i could at least audition them before buying.
 
Feb 28, 2017 at 11:50 PM Post #84 of 285
jodokus said:
I contacted the European distributor of Audio-gd and asked the same question. Here is the (google) translation of his reply and reason to choose for the DAC19. Sounds reasonable? 

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If the PCM1704 chip was still available (payable) Audio GD had not R2R dac.That's enough evidence for me to think not underestimate the DAC19 ;-)The PCM1704 is a R2R dac chip (the last available by the way)!The difference with an R2R ladder DAC such as the SING19 is that R2R at PCM1704 is in a chip, and at the SING19 discrete is built up.Building a R2R discrete dac is no easy chore and not use them for anything 0.1% resistors!I know that the process to build such R2R boards very complex, especially sticking very precise and accurate.The fact that a discrete R2R dac is make it a special design but not necessarily a better DAC course!That DAC sounds different than the PCM1704 is evident that Audio GD express done so I suspect.Kingwa (Audio GD) mailed me the following: The R2R sounds very open but not as rich as the PCM1704. And that's exactly right!A PCM1704-K chip cost three years ago, $ 300, -. Audio GD expects the price within not foreseeable future towards the $ 800, - is, like the TCA1441 chip from Philips!Such a price can not be holding chamber is full, the DAC is too costly and is an R2R interesting.A SING19 on NIS is not DAC19, the PCM1704 sounds more natural (not warmer, a tube or a Wolfson DAC chip sounds colored), a PCM1704 not. Richer and more natural.The specifications of the PCM1704-K are unsurpassed - it is not everything - but for a R2R chip this is really top class
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the denafrips ares has 0.01% resistors (thats what i was told in the denafrips thread) although i have no idea how can we translate that to sound quality.
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 1:32 AM Post #85 of 285
gunwale said:
the denafrips ares has 0.01% resistors (thats what i was told in the denafrips thread) although i have no idea how can we translate that to sound quality.
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That would result in less noise and less THD. So theoretically what you get is more clarity and detail, where it would have been glossed over with more noise and more THD. 
 
The degree to which this is different from the Ares to the S19 to the DAC19? That would be minute and undetectable to some people but for golden eared folks, a distinguishable difference might be apparent. 
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 9:03 PM Post #86 of 285
Haven't really used my Singularity 19 much as I'm having issues with the primary source I was going to use with it. I've got a Magna Hifi Mano Music Streamer that works perfectly with my Master 11 via I2s, but for some reason with my S19 I get distortion on 44.1/16 files. Strange thing is that it plays 96/24 files perfectly. Really frustrating.
 
Mar 2, 2017 at 2:47 AM Post #87 of 285
jodokus said:
  I contacted the European distributor of Audio-gd and asked the same question. Here is the (google) translation of his reply and reason to choose for the DAC19. Sounds reasonable? 
 
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[color=rgb(33, 33, 33)] If the PCM1704 chip was still available (payable) Audio GD had not R2R dac.That's enough evidence for me to think not underestimate the DAC19 ;-)The PCM1704 is a R2R dac chip (the last available by the way)!The difference with an R2R ladder DAC such as the SING19 is that R2R at PCM1704 is in a chip, and at the SING19 discrete is built up.Building a R2R discrete dac is no easy chore and not use them for anything 0.1% resistors!I know that the process to build such R2R boards very complex, especially sticking very precise and accurate.The fact that a discrete R2R dac is make it a special design but not necessarily a better DAC course!That DAC sounds different than the PCM1704 is evident that Audio GD express done so I suspect.Kingwa (Audio GD) mailed me the following: The R2R sounds very open but not as rich as the PCM1704. And that's exactly right!A PCM1704-K chip cost three years ago, $ 300, -. Audio GD expects the price within not foreseeable future towards the $ 800, - is, like the TCA1441 chip from Philips!Such a price can not be holding chamber is full, the DAC is too costly and is an R2R interesting.A SING19 on NIS is not DAC19, the PCM1704 sounds more natural (not warmer, a tube or a Wolfson DAC chip sounds colored), a PCM1704 not. Richer and more natural.The specifications of the PCM1704-K are unsurpassed - it is not everything - but for a R2R chip this is really top class[/color]
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We have finished the Singularity design long time but still had not release because we are afraid once we release, the customers don't like the PCM1704 anymore, that time we have a lot PCM1704 in stock.
The Singularity 19 had better detail, better image, better dynamic, this is sound quality.
It is more neutral than DAC19, DAC19 is warmer sound, this is sound flavor (sound colour).
Just like a business suit, is the important of the quality  or the colour ?
In fact we can adjust the Singularity19 sound like the DAC19, but this time we like to adjust it sound like the Master 7, because a lot users feedback the Master 7 had the high end sound , if you want sound like the DAC19 can custom order.
Even it sound adjust the sound warmer like the DAC19, it still had better sound quality on detail, image and dynamic .
This sound quality is based on the high speed chips (450MHz) applied , and the codes design in the CPLD can made the performance better.
Our R2R design had not applied the 74XXXX chip to converte the input signal, the 74XXXX chip  are more depend on the resistors because they had not codes to improve the performance, and  most had 80Mhz max speed.
 
Mar 2, 2017 at 2:59 AM Post #88 of 285
kingwa said:
We have finished the Singularity design long time but still had not release because we are afraid once we release, the customers don't like the PCM1704 anymore, that time we have a lot PCM1704 in stock.

The Singularity 19 had better detail, better image, better dynamic, this is sound quality.

It is more neutral than DAC19, DAC19 is warmer sound, this is sound flavor (sound colour).

Just like a business suit, is the important of the quality  or the colour ?

In fact we can adjust the Singularity19 sound like the DAC19, but this time we like to adjust it sound like the Master 7, because a lot users feedback the Master 7 had the high end sound , if you want sound like the DAC19 can custom order.

Even it sound adjust the sound warmer like the DAC19, it still had better sound quality on detail, image and dynamic .

This sound quality is based on the high speed chips (450MHz) applied , and the codes design in the CPLD can made the performance better.

Our R2R design had not applied the 74XXXX chip to converte the input signal, the 74XXXX chip  are more depend on the resistors because they had not codes to improve the performance, and  most had 80Mhz max speed.
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hi kingwa!!! can you give me abit comparison on your design with the denafrips please. i am not a technical person. i read somewhere that the sound quality is not just about the dac chip like 0.1% resistor vs 0.01 or 0.005% resistor but more on the whole implementation. i also read about capacitor(denafrips) and capacitorless(audio gd) design? what about the 2 clocks and the 5 or 8 psu? does better sound quality means less musical? i really want to get a s19 or nos19 but i am afraid that i cannot hear anything different on s19 because it is dead neutral. i read somewhere many master 7 onwers modded to purely nos?
 
Mar 2, 2017 at 8:06 AM Post #89 of 285
kingwa said:
 
We have finished the Singularity design long time but still had not release because we are afraid once we release, the customers don't like the PCM1704 anymore, that time we have a lot PCM1704 in stock.
The Singularity 19 had better detail, better image, better dynamic, this is sound quality.
It is more neutral than DAC19, DAC19 is warmer sound, this is sound flavor (sound colour).
Just like a business suit, is the important of the quality  or the colour ?
In fact we can adjust the Singularity19 sound like the DAC19, but this time we like to adjust it sound like the Master 7, because a lot users feedback the Master 7 had the high end sound , if you want sound like the DAC19 can custom order.
Even it sound adjust the sound warmer like the DAC19, it still had better sound quality on detail, image and dynamic .
This sound quality is based on the high speed chips (450MHz) applied , and the codes design in the CPLD can made the performance better.
Our R2R design had not applied the 74XXXX chip to converte the input signal, the 74XXXX chip  are more depend on the resistors because they had not codes to improve the performance, and  most had 80Mhz max speed.
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For the last 12 years you told customers the PCM1704 chip was neutral and one of the best in the market and now the PCM1704 is warm and not enough detail.
There is an emergency because there are no PCM1704 chips anymore and now Audio-GD made something better all of a sudden.
I have listened to the SING19 but my personal taste is the DAC19, it is more resolving and emotional.
 
Mar 2, 2017 at 10:17 AM Post #90 of 285
gk2013 said:
   
For the last 12 years you told customers the PCM1704 chip was neutral and one of the best in the market and now the PCM1704 is warm and not enough detail.
There is an emergency because there are no PCM1704 chips anymore and now Audio-GD made something better all of a sudden.
I have listened to the SING19 but my personal taste is the DAC19, it is more resolving and emotional.
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DAC-19 is definitely not more resolving.  That was one of the first things I noticed when I switched over to the S19.  
 
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