XMOS XU208 USB BRIDGES - THE LATEST GEN HAS ARRIVED!

music_man · Jan 29, 2017 at 6:52 AM

you are obviously very sensitive and i can understand that. i did not mean to hurt your feelings or realize it was going to. i was mad i got the wrong thing and acted like a jerk about it. i admit that. as far as your equipment i should not have insulted it. however, unless you feel you have reached end game it would serve you to get better equipment than all these usb tweaks. that is just imo. i do know all about russian tubes. some real gems to be had. i use solid state for pleasure but am no stranger to tubes in the studio. you do not have to feel insulted by everything i say. trust me, people say a lot worse things on the internet. i am sorry you do not like me. that is your prerogative though. i have a lot of rep here.

Sligolad · Jan 29, 2017 at 10:04 AM

music_man said:
it would serve you to get better equipment than all these usb tweaks. that is just imo.

Your opinion has been clear for some time but it is time to let this go......and do you really need to disparage someones equipment or USB tweaks given the thread is about USB!!
It is such a shame to see a thread derailed like this.......you just could not let it go.

It obviously did not work for you but it has worked wonders for many of us who have been following Robs discoveries.

Narayan23 · Jan 29, 2017 at 10:35 AM

music_man said:
you are obviously very sensitive and i can understand that. i did not mean to hurt your feelings or realize it was going to. i was mad i got the wrong thing and acted like a jerk about it. i admit that. as far as your equipment i should not have insulted it. however, unless you feel you have reached end game it would serve you to get better equipment than all these usb tweaks. that is just imo. i do know all about russian tubes. some real gems to be had. i use solid state for pleasure but am no stranger to tubes in the studio. you do not have to feel insulted by everything i say. trust me, people say a lot worse things on the internet. i am sorry you do not like me. that is your prerogative though. i have a lot of rep here.

You´re obviously very sensitive too and very repetitive which you´ll have to excuse me but is starting to get annoying, let it be, Rob has unfortunately left the building. You´ve said you weren´t going to post in this thread any more two or three times and you´re still at it...maybe you did have ulterior motives after all, please stop baiting Rob into responding.

ccschua · Jan 29, 2017 at 11:07 AM

music_man said:
you are obviously very sensitive and i can understand that. i did not mean to hurt your feelings or realize it was going to. i was mad i got the wrong thing and acted like a jerk about it. i admit that. as far as your equipment i should not have insulted it. however, unless you feel you have reached end game it would serve you to get better equipment than all these usb tweaks. that is just imo. i do know all about russian tubes. some real gems to be had. i use solid state for pleasure but am no stranger to tubes in the studio. you do not have to feel insulted by everything i say. trust me, people say a lot worse things on the internet. i am sorry you do not like me. that is your prerogative though. i have a lot of rep here.

dont live in the dark side. we know your intention is to evil. nobody likes yoiu to be anywhere near this forum.

rb2013 · Jan 29, 2017 at 11:09 AM

music_man said:
you are obviously very sensitive and i can understand that. i did not mean to hurt your feelings or realize it was going to. i was mad i got the wrong thing and acted like a jerk about it. i admit that. as far as your equipment i should not have insulted it. however, unless you feel you have reached end game it would serve you to get better equipment than all these usb tweaks. that is just imo. i do know all about russian tubes. some real gems to be had. i use solid state for pleasure but am no stranger to tubes in the studio. you do not have to feel insulted by everything i say. trust me, people say a lot worse things on the internet. i am sorry you do not like me. that is your prerogative though. i have a lot of rep here.

You have not hurt my feelings - in the slightest - I'm a big boy. I think you don't read posts - just like spouting off. Otherwise you would have not waisted money on the wrong device.

What you have done is wreck a great thread - that was going very well before you arrived.

As for better equipment - do you think Ayre is totl? An Ayre DDC? A Ayre DAC better then the $30K APL NWO 3.0 GO - really? I have always found their equipment tonally thin and bare - sometimes harsh. Is that the sound your looking for? I can see why you would not like the beautiful rich tone we are hearing. I guess you never read my reply to you on my equipment history?

Now you are a tube expert too? "i do know all about russian tubes." Funny in my thousands of posts on the 6N23P never heard you chime in with all your vast experience. So glad you didn't. You see it's become very clear you are pretty much full of it.

What's you rep here? Have you started any ground breaking threads? Large reviews? Don't see any.
Have you seen my detailed 17 tube shootout review? Of course not - you don't read - just spout off.

Well I say to those who want to join the fun over at USAM - the new thread has over 400 views in one day! Sorry Headfi you have lost out

music_man · Jan 29, 2017 at 12:17 PM

we completely agree. i just prefer a very sharp, highly detailed unforgiving sound. i hate tubes and vinyl. that is just me. i see that you are going for a completely different sound than what i prefer. now, it makes sense to me. that is fine but i see why we clashed. it is really just a misunderstanding. also, to be honest yes i had a ulterior motive. i was very angry i bought the wrong thing to try and now the correct thing is no longer available at my dealer. i honestly do apologize i was a jerk about it and took it out on you though. that is all i can say. the thread does not need to be derailed. carry on. i fully admit i was a jerk at first. you did nothing wrong rob, i did.

i do actually know a lot about tubes but they are not my forte so i just don't discuss them. i have used them extensively but as i said i am going for a completely different sound than you are. there is nothing wrong with what either of us prefer or anyone for that matter. audio is all personal preference. i will tell you if this makes it sound anything like vinyl i would hate it. i like a sharp digital sound. hear every minute detail. study the music. pick it apart. again, you can see why we clashed. we are coming from two completely different schools. i doubt you would touch a ess chip with a ten foot pole. that is fine.

i think having different opinions about audio would not be a big deal. i figure you are unhappy with me because i had been a jerk about it. i was in fact. i took out my frustration on you and for that once again i apologize.

i will make everyone a deal here. if no one replies to this neither will i and i will be out of this thread. i know i said that before. i really don't belong here. i thought it was a great idea. usb over lan. i messed it up. then i realized it will provide a sound i do not even prefer. i have nothing to add to this thread so there is no reason for me to reply. until if and such time i may be interested in revisiting this. i mean ps-audio claims it is the cats whiskers. i don't know.

as i said if no one says anything about this thread other than something related to audio. even my preference for audio, i will not further add to this thread. i promise.

Brooko · Jan 29, 2017 at 4:37 PM

[Moderator Comment]

Normally I wouldn't do this - but I've had enough, and I'm sick of tired of some members thinking they can slander others and because of our stance on not discussing moderation - basically get away with it.

So here is the recent attacks from Rob - so you can really see what is going on:

rb2013 said:
Oh it's not him it's this Moderator Piggo or Brooko or something. What a jerk.

It's been a great 4 years - 6050 posts - around a million views.

But it time to dump this place - greener pastures!

rb2013 said:
Your apologies are completely accepted. I just don't understand why you criticize something you don't own. You admit you bought the wrong one - so of course it won't work right. Anyway - I'm leaving due to a very nasty PM I received from the Moderator here. Just unfair. I have had my clashes with some before - but I was always treated with some respect.

Folks need to know the history and back story. You see in my moniker the title 'Contributor' - that was awarded to me for my 6922 Tube review. This is rarely done here. I had uncovered a hidden jem in the 6dj8/6922/E88CC/ECC88/E188CC/CCa family. This is one of the most popular signal tubes used in Audio.

Actually I had 'discovered' the tremendous SQ of a whole group of compatible tubes made in Russia in the 70's for their space program. They still make them today - but the SQ of a few of these vintage NOS tubes are just superb. The best I call the 'HG's or 'Holy Grail' 1975 Reflektor 6N23P Silver Shield SWGP. These tubes were totally unknown until I had gone to extreme lengths to discover (bought over 1,000 6N23P tubes from shady and crooked Eastern Europe Ebay dealers. Bought a tube tester and began to assemble properly matched pairs to evaluate). Long, long story - my blogging was initially flamed to a burnt crisp. Especially after posting my monster tube review. You see I do nothing half a**ed - I'm in all the way, or not at all.

Not one to roll over I fought back and was banned from Headfi for a few days. Jude interceded and I was reinstated. I'm still banned from the Lyr tube rolling thread.

Just Google '6922 Tube Review' and see what pops up #1 in the search.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/761078/6922-tube-review-17-top-6922-6n23p-e88cc-cca-7308-e188cc-tubes

Anyway - these magical HG tubes have become unbelievably popular. Used to sell for $10 a tube - now you are lucky to find a decent pair for $200. The nearly overwhelming concurrence on the SQ merits of these tubes has been sweet satisfaction for me. After many, many bruising battles to fight for their recognition - at least so folks would give them a try. That in my opinion was my major contribution back to the Audio Community - one that has given me so much musical joy over the decades.

Wash, rinse, repeat on the discovery of the Gustard U12 DDC, and then a whole host of other great (and cheap) DDC's. On to the XU208 class of DDC's and the Singxer F-1. I was the gent to put that on the map - and the later SU-1. Then on to the Rednet 3 AOIP Dante AES67 audio chains.

Now here. So you see this is not my first rodeo. IN MY threads - Headfi only a venue for them - I have been the driving force behind these blogs and experiments - has gone largely unrecognized by the Admin here. Other then my many thanks to Jude for his support.

I do not suffer fools lightly - and you come off as a fool. So I apologize to you and anyone who felt I treated you unfairly.

But it's time to move on...I have many more exciting audio discoveries to report on...so on we go.

Cheers everyone!

Now - lets look at the truth so you can actually see behind the lies portrayed.

My interaction has been mainly in cleaning up the thread - when things get nasty (and they invariably do when anyone crosses Rob). In his time here, he's been able to "monster" people out of what he considers to be his thread. And he does it without sticking to the rules or even following what most people would consider common etiquette. My only actual interaction with him has been twice.

I gave him a simple warning that we don't allow FS notifications in the main forum - its a standard message we issue to any members doing it - and advises how they can put it in their sig. Here is the PM. It was never replied to.

Hi,
I'm sorry, but I've had to edit your post below as for sale (and "Wanted to Buy") posts and threads are not permitted in the main forums (this includes references to them)

If you wish to promote one of your classifieds, you can add it to the bottom of your signature while editing it using the menus provided.

For information about selling items, including the requirements, please see the For Sale and Trade Forums FAQ.

Thanks for understanding.

rb2013 said:

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Yes you have that right. Now since the SU-1 has it's own built in LPS - the need for a good external one is not important like it is for the F-1. This is were the Wyrd, Regen and Recovery are most benefical. They all allow the fed of a high quality LPS to the F-1, additionally they provide some low noise power regulation.

Now be very careful as it's one model of the many the Icron/Startech USB extenders that provide the SQ boost that I and many others have heard - the one that is GB LAN compatible and does iso audio devices. Like this one from Startech:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HFGQESY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=

The Startech two devices REX and LEX allow for powering by linear power supplies. On the REX (the side that outputs USB to the DDC), this could also act as a USB power delivery to the F-1 or like devices using a USB power feed.

I'll be listing my Startech in the classifeds today at a good price - if anyone is interested in trying this. I have moved to AOIP.

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Yep - nothing untoward in this - standard message, delivered nicely.

And the only other one has been when Rob reported music_man multiple times a couple of days ago. I went through every one of his posts and guess what - m_m was simply conveying his own experience. He broke no forum rules, and even apologized (profusely) for a misunderstanding with hardware / drivers. During this exchange - he was unmercifully attacked by Rob. You all saw it. And its still there in the thread.

So I replied to Rob with the following - and again got no reply:

Hi

You flagged the following posts:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/829639/usb-strikes-back-watch-out-aoip-usb-ethernet-chain-beats-all-at-least-for-me/480#post_13207045
http://www.head-fi.org/t/829639/usb-strikes-back-watch-out-aoip-usb-ethernet-chain-beats-all-at-least-for-me/480#post_13207394
http://www.head-fi.org/t/829639/usb-strikes-back-watch-out-aoip-usb-ethernet-chain-beats-all-at-least-for-me/480#post_13207726
http://www.head-fi.org/t/829639/usb-strikes-back-watch-out-aoip-usb-ethernet-chain-beats-all-at-least-for-me/480#post_13207933

as being "prohibited"

I've been through the entire 4 posts, and apart form an opening sentence mentioning the work placebo, I could find nothing in them which broke any Head-Fi rules. He was actually quite conciliatory as the posts progressed. What I did find though was this from you:

Forget the ' meds ' this morning?

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Well first I doubt you ever had the Startech - as you mention the 'drivers' don't work - there are no drivers.

Second you come crashing into this thread with disjointed rantings - about the Startech and the DAC60, much of it not making any sense. Never seen you post much here or in any of my other threads on DDC's. Your tone is rude and aggressive.

I've been through many battles with folks like you before - any one remember 'PROT'? I don't want this thread shut down like has happened to the Gustard U12 thread (thanks Beemer), or the XU208 thread (Thanks Blizzard aka Mike aka Minerva Audio)! After this post I'm just going to ignore your disjointed - wall of solid text - barely legible rants.

Just to say - have you read my threads? Obviously not. Not only have I owned over a dozen high end DAC's - I had a renowned APL NWO 3.0GO - which I traded for a smaller version:
That DAC was over $30,000. And was Srajan Eben of 6Moons fame, main reference DAC for many years. Sorry bud - but I've been there and done that. The cost of gear is not an arbiter of SQ. I would take my heavily modded DAC60 over the APL I have now and had then any day.

As far as analog experience - well here is pic of my old $30,000 Rig.

And what I'm hearing now blows that away.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/aplhifi/nwo30go.html

My suggestion - if my and other's posts on the sound quality superiority of this hybrid USB/Ethernet chain - bothers you - GO START YOUR OWN THREAD! DON"T TROLL THIS ONE.

I have flagged all your posts as abusive.

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And to someone else about the poster

Ignore this ranting lunatic and he will go away.

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I just want to remind you:

While you may be the thread starter - it is not your thread, and everyone has a right to post in it.

If I was inclined to remove any posts - it would be yours. Your replies to a new poster were uncalled for.

I would suggest toning it down. The guys who did answer were respectful, helpful, and he was coming around. Your posts were the direct opposite.

Thanks

Paul
cc Mods/Admins

Now if from the above - you can construe that I was in any way disrespectful to Rob, or unfair, or nasty, or was even being a "jerk" - then I'm afraid I cannot see it. I hope you guys can see the real villain.

Regardless of where Rob wants to set up - he is welcome at Head-Fi (he has always been welcome here) as long as he sticks to the rules. But he has lied to you all, and made an unwarranted and flagrant attack on the Moderation team here - so I am banning him for a month. Considering what he has done - this is quite lenient.

I will now unlock the thread - but keep all posts intact. I hope this is a learning experience for all involved.

Paul

somestranger26 · Jan 29, 2017 at 11:09 PM

brooko said:
And the only other one has been when Rob reported music_man multiple times a couple of days ago. I went through every one of his posts and guess what - m_m was simply conveying his own experience. He broke no forum rules, and even apologized (profusely) for a misunderstanding with hardware / drivers. During this exchange - he was unmercifully attacked by Rob. You all saw it. And its still there in the thread.

***. He bought the wrong device and he posted his "own experience" of how bad it sounds. He "apologized" while still insisting that we don't know what we're hearing despite never owning the device we're talking about. Seems like a total troll to me.

Brooko · Jan 29, 2017 at 11:24 PM

He broke no rules and got abused for it. You can't do that here. It doesn't matter who you are. What happened to empathy?

Not only that- how does that excuse or justify the deplorable response?

enigmus12 · Jan 31, 2017 at 7:31 AM

Hi there,

just a few thing from a long time reader of Rob posts without being active (like a large majority of the readers of a forum). I do agree that Rob posts are of use, really, he keeps finding some new stuff in the digital mess that is the market nowadays so my hat off for this. I've purchased a Singxer Su1 thanks to the reading of one of its post and i'll probably will never been aware of it without it. But i've done it only because it was suiting my needs as an audio-gd owner (hdmi i2s and serious design) not because of the sometimes dithyrambicRob's claim.

Anyhow, and as the moderator as pointed it, Rob have a serious problem with the way a forum is working. It seems that he want the whole autority and when he changes his mind or gets some guys trying to argue, he just close the big topic he had created. I was very pleased to read the topic :

XMOS XU208 USB BRIDGES - THE LATEST GEN HAS ARRIVED!

But Rob just closed it when switching to AOIP (because of a guy arguing with him). The fact is that the closing of this topic just close any discussion on the matter leaving some people alone with their question that has arise because of him (and a few topics are sometimes popping from those people on singxer etc..,). It's like they are the past and are not to be considered anymore. I mean it is its right to just leave and let others talk about it, but no he just close everything.

It's probably the third big topics he opened and closed like this and that's not a normal behaviour to me. The people saying he is on its right are probably scared to be left alone with their through or to have no more place where to share on the topic.

Rob do things for the community, opens gate and gives all the readers questions but it only provide is own answers and when it doesn't go its way or that he is not interested anymore, he just say "the doors are closedd, no more discussion" in the only topic that was doing the discussion...

I hope he'll get back but also that he gets a more open minded view. I don't like to read such thing from Rob :
"do you think Ayre is totl? An Ayre DDC? A Ayre DAC better then the $30K APL NWO 3.0 GO - really? "

Audio is subjective, don't forget it. We are all on our rights just stay open-minded to others and enjoy the discussion.

Brooko · Jan 31, 2017 at 11:52 PM

I just had to remove a number of further posts. As the thread has effectively outlived its usefulness - it is now permanently locked.

NewMoon · Sep 28, 2018 at 12:40 PM

rb2013 said:
Here is a picture of one of the key components - the Singxer F-1 DDC:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Singxer-F-1...416314?hash=item282429e17a:g:iZcAAOSwB09YJa5A

Hope you can help. I am New to USB / Digital and have been doing my own chain link, blindly, when i came across this thread (which is excellent by the way) I have a XiangSheng DAC-05B 32bit/384K DSD AK4495 x 2 XMOS. Though it has the Xmos in it, is it still worth putting the Singxer-F-1 in the chain..?? Apologies if that sounds silly..!!

Zenvota · Sep 29, 2018 at 7:33 PM

NewMoon said:
Hope you can help. I am New to USB / Digital and have been doing my own chain link, blindly, when i came across this thread (which is excellent by the way) I have a XiangSheng DAC-05B 32bit/384K DSD AK4495 x 2 XMOS. Though it has the Xmos in it, is it still worth putting the Singxer-F-1 in the chain..?? Apologies if that sounds silly..!!

The F1 could sound better, but more than likely the increment will be small. You might be better served by a usb reclocker like the uptone regen/iso regen, wyred4sound recovery, ifi usb ipurifier, etc. Having a hub chip before the usb>spdif/i2s chip is often beneficial.

You can see by my sig I'm a fan of full isolation from source and ac mains so maybe look into that as well.

NewMoon · Sep 29, 2018 at 8:12 PM

Zenvota said:
The F1 could sound better, but more than likely the increment will be small. You might be better served by a usb reclocker like the uptone regen/iso regen, wyred4sound recovery, ifi usb ipurifier, etc. Having a hub chip before the usb>spdif/i2s chip is often beneficial.

You can see by my sig I'm a fan of full isolation from source and ac mains so maybe look into that as well.

NewMoon · Sep 29, 2018 at 8:18 PM

Thanks alot for that. That is what I have arrived at. I have ordered wired4sound recovery (LPSU from China). So it goes - microrendu> recovery> iPurifier3. Dac...!!

It is already sounding better than I ever dreamed it would and I know there are a few more miles to go. Thanks again.

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