McClelland
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Props to @Baycode for putting together the material on Hearing Safety and Ear Health in his thread in the Members Lounge. This will hopefully be a similar thread that pulls together member experience with hardware or software issues that were related to powerful, unexpected audio events.
I am not looking for indictments of products or manufacturers, accusations, or conflicts developing about those specifics, but for issues that might be generic to different components or software in general and helpful to newbies in particular. Please use good judgment if you do think a specific product is implicated. I think the best thing to do in those circumstances would be to say in your post that members can PM you if they want more specifics. PM me if you are wondering where to go with mounting data you've gotten from PM's and I'll get the advice of an administrator.
I especially want to avoid confusion about cause and effect assertions. In my case below there's strong evidence that I've ended up with hearing deficits, but the issue is just as important even if damage had not been caused. I wouldn't want anyone else to be as rattled as I was after this experience with a hardware/software pitfall if it can be avoided.
USB BUGS: Don't Get Bitten
Short version:
New to headphones (HPs)
New to USB as a digital signal pathway for HPs
Sudden jump of music from HPs driven by amp/dac to computer internal speakers
Extreme volume burst following a brief volume drop-out
Permanent hearing loss with tinnitus that was very likely caused by the bursts.
Take home message:
Even the best USB connections can be unstable and “buggy”, causing weird audio events that can be confusing and frustrating at the least; damaging at the worst.
Shout out to members:
I have no idea how common this is, but would like to get a better sense of that. I’ve corresponded with four members who have had similar experiences, with USB and fortunately without damage, so this post is another shout-out to members who have had similar USB experiences, or experiences with other hardware/software glitches with scary, traumatic or damaging consequences that everyone should be aware of, even if rarely occurring.
Please post your experience to this thread or a point us to your post in another thread.
Long version:
I had the unfortunate experience 6 weeks ago, early in my exploration of headphones, HPs, of being exposed to three extreme, volume bursts. I did not have prior audiology testing to compare, but my ENT doc and audiologist believe that I now have permanent tinnitus and hearing deficits in my left ear as a result of this exposure. Without the prior testing it is impossible to know these events were the cause with 100% certainty, but their arguments are strong.
I discovered that USB instability was the likely culprit after weeks of A-B testing, correspondence with manufacturers, testing my home electrical service for any causes of a power surge, and most usefully from knowledgeable Head-Fi members and from the forums.
I’ve been an audiophile on a very modest budget for over 45 years. I’ve made plenty of dumb mistakes as I’ve tinkered with an ever-evolving room system, but none with serious consequences. I followed the emergence of audiophile quality computer sources, but hadn’t explored them, as my room system continued to meet my needs with CDs. When my computer was the source, I used an adapter cable to run the headphone jack into RCA inputs on my DAC, then my room system for streaming or playing audio files ripped to my hard drive. I had also tried out Toslink optical connections.
I had never used USB for digital audio until early March when I got the Schiit Magne2/ Modi 2 combo to run my HPs. I never had a problem of any sort with them, repeat, I never had any problem with my Schiit system. I had problems when I upgraded to a new solid state amp/dac from a reputable manufacturer.
The first signs arose when the sound jumped abruptly from my HPs to my internal computer speakers. That points to something awry in the USB signal path so the computer is abruptly unable to recognize the the amp/dac. Both the computer USB output and the USB input module on the device powering the HPs can be the culprit, as I understand it. In my case, I was able to A-B test the amp/dac with two different computers and the same problems arose, pointing to the USB input on the dac/amp.
I’ve also been advised that some USB input modules and implementations may have had particular problems with instability, but I don’t know any details about that.
Had I known about the “jumping audio” clue, I would have shifted immediately to the Toslink optical input that was available on the new amp/dac and focused the manufacturer on whether the USB input module had any known problems. I would have avoided the subsequent volume bursts.
I’ve returned the amp/dac to the manufacturer and they report no problems so far on any of their testing. They initially thought the problem was a result of a power surge to my electrical outlet, but there has been no evidence pointing to this as a cause. It was only through my searches in these forums and PM’s to members that I Iearned about USB complications.
Check for a future post if you wondering why it took three experiences of the volume bursts before I stopped using my rig. It might be titled, “Whose Got The Pot?”
I am not looking for indictments of products or manufacturers, accusations, or conflicts developing about those specifics, but for issues that might be generic to different components or software in general and helpful to newbies in particular. Please use good judgment if you do think a specific product is implicated. I think the best thing to do in those circumstances would be to say in your post that members can PM you if they want more specifics. PM me if you are wondering where to go with mounting data you've gotten from PM's and I'll get the advice of an administrator.
I especially want to avoid confusion about cause and effect assertions. In my case below there's strong evidence that I've ended up with hearing deficits, but the issue is just as important even if damage had not been caused. I wouldn't want anyone else to be as rattled as I was after this experience with a hardware/software pitfall if it can be avoided.
USB BUGS: Don't Get Bitten
Short version:
New to headphones (HPs)
New to USB as a digital signal pathway for HPs
Sudden jump of music from HPs driven by amp/dac to computer internal speakers
Extreme volume burst following a brief volume drop-out
Permanent hearing loss with tinnitus that was very likely caused by the bursts.
Take home message:
Even the best USB connections can be unstable and “buggy”, causing weird audio events that can be confusing and frustrating at the least; damaging at the worst.
Shout out to members:
I have no idea how common this is, but would like to get a better sense of that. I’ve corresponded with four members who have had similar experiences, with USB and fortunately without damage, so this post is another shout-out to members who have had similar USB experiences, or experiences with other hardware/software glitches with scary, traumatic or damaging consequences that everyone should be aware of, even if rarely occurring.
Please post your experience to this thread or a point us to your post in another thread.
Long version:
I had the unfortunate experience 6 weeks ago, early in my exploration of headphones, HPs, of being exposed to three extreme, volume bursts. I did not have prior audiology testing to compare, but my ENT doc and audiologist believe that I now have permanent tinnitus and hearing deficits in my left ear as a result of this exposure. Without the prior testing it is impossible to know these events were the cause with 100% certainty, but their arguments are strong.
I discovered that USB instability was the likely culprit after weeks of A-B testing, correspondence with manufacturers, testing my home electrical service for any causes of a power surge, and most usefully from knowledgeable Head-Fi members and from the forums.
I’ve been an audiophile on a very modest budget for over 45 years. I’ve made plenty of dumb mistakes as I’ve tinkered with an ever-evolving room system, but none with serious consequences. I followed the emergence of audiophile quality computer sources, but hadn’t explored them, as my room system continued to meet my needs with CDs. When my computer was the source, I used an adapter cable to run the headphone jack into RCA inputs on my DAC, then my room system for streaming or playing audio files ripped to my hard drive. I had also tried out Toslink optical connections.
I had never used USB for digital audio until early March when I got the Schiit Magne2/ Modi 2 combo to run my HPs. I never had a problem of any sort with them, repeat, I never had any problem with my Schiit system. I had problems when I upgraded to a new solid state amp/dac from a reputable manufacturer.
The first signs arose when the sound jumped abruptly from my HPs to my internal computer speakers. That points to something awry in the USB signal path so the computer is abruptly unable to recognize the the amp/dac. Both the computer USB output and the USB input module on the device powering the HPs can be the culprit, as I understand it. In my case, I was able to A-B test the amp/dac with two different computers and the same problems arose, pointing to the USB input on the dac/amp.
I’ve also been advised that some USB input modules and implementations may have had particular problems with instability, but I don’t know any details about that.
Had I known about the “jumping audio” clue, I would have shifted immediately to the Toslink optical input that was available on the new amp/dac and focused the manufacturer on whether the USB input module had any known problems. I would have avoided the subsequent volume bursts.
I’ve returned the amp/dac to the manufacturer and they report no problems so far on any of their testing. They initially thought the problem was a result of a power surge to my electrical outlet, but there has been no evidence pointing to this as a cause. It was only through my searches in these forums and PM’s to members that I Iearned about USB complications.
Check for a future post if you wondering why it took three experiences of the volume bursts before I stopped using my rig. It might be titled, “Whose Got The Pot?”