oBravo EAMT-3w impressions thread. Is it an apex IEM?
Apr 23, 2016 at 7:31 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 29
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The EAMT-3w has just arrived on this special Saturday, and it is pretty spectacular  track dependant. We'll be doing some comparisons to the other headphones we have on hand, and we'd love to hear from other folks on these.
 
Here is what oBravo has to say about them:
 
Features:

  • The world first Coaxial two-way IEM design by an implementation of AMT tweeter and NDD to deliver a rich sound stage listen experience in earphone market.
  • World class Comply ear tips implementation for balanced sound stage.
  • A Wooden ear cup designed model, eamt-3w , and a Precision Ceramic ear cup designed model, eamt-3c to provide a choice for different sound styles.
  • Easy way to enjoy a ultimate sound from a balanced output by an optional 2.5mm Balanced cable.

Specification:

  1. Frequency Response: 20Hz~45KHz
  2. Tweeter: 8mm Air Motion Transformer Tweeter
  3. Dynamic Driver: 10mm Neodymium Driver
  4. Impedance: 16 ohm
  5. Sensibility in dB: 105dB [haha should be sensitivity]
  6. Weight: 35 g

 
The EAMT-3w is on the left, whilst the ERIB-2a is on the right.

 
Apr 23, 2016 at 8:16 AM Post #2 of 29
Listened to quite a few of oBravo IEM during CanJam Singapore a couple of months ago, including their ToTL models, and my impression of them is very far from being apex.
 
Apr 23, 2016 at 1:29 PM Post #3 of 29
  Listened to quite a few of oBravo IEM during CanJam Singapore a couple of months ago, including their ToTL models, and my impression of them is very far from being apex.

The EAMTs and ERIBs basically need the Comply foams to sound their best. Did you listen with those, or the included silicone tips? Also, the oBravos are basically open IEMs that shouldn't be shoved in as far as you can, so a meet environment would probably underestimate what they can do, due to lack of isolation, or over-insertion that crushes the soundstage and eliminates their most exceptional quality. I've gotten a significant amount of listening in on the ERIB-2a, and have the EAMT-3w for a bit. I'll be putting the EAMT-3w through their paces tonight. The HD800s and IE800s are on tap, and we'll be powering them through the iBasso DX50, the Note 2, a Firstwatt DIY speaker amp with an attenuator, and the Chord Mojo. I'm teaming up with @Takeanidea tonight to see what these can do.
 
This is going to get wild. Stay tuned.
 
Apr 23, 2016 at 2:56 PM Post #4 of 29
  The EAMTs and ERIBs basically need the Comply foams to sound their best. Did you listen with those, or the included silicone tips? Also, the oBravos are basically open IEMs that shouldn't be shoved in as far as you can, so a meet environment would probably underestimate what they can do, due to lack of isolation, or over-insertion that crushes the soundstage and eliminates their most exceptional quality. I've gotten a significant amount of listening in on the ERIB-2a, and have the EAMT-3w for a bit. I'll be putting the EAMT-3w through their paces tonight. The HD800s and IE800s are on tap, and we'll be powering them through the iBasso DX50, the Note 2, a Firstwatt DIY speaker amp with an attenuator, and the Chord Mojo. I'm teaming up with @Takeanidea tonight to see what these can do.
 
This is going to get wild. Stay tuned.

 
Did try them with Comply. Not impressed in anyway.
 
Apr 24, 2016 at 5:43 AM Post #7 of 29
I think that the EAMT-3w are a mixed bag, which makes me sad at £1800 for a pair. They have an exceptional soundstage that is better than the ERIB-2a, which is saying something. The ERIB-2a has a special soundstage. They have the bass that the ERIB-2a were missing a bit. They do an amazing job with complex passages such as Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. However, on many tracks I found myself preferring the ERIB-2a. The mids on the EAMT-3w are slightly recessed, with a touch of saccharine. They just don't sound natural on rocking tracks like Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name or AC/DC - Highway to hell. The drum impacts are pushed down, and guitars don't sound as visceral. Attack is a little soft for me. It is a warm smooth signature that isn't my cup of tea for my musical tastes.
 
I think these would be fantastic for classical music and my listening backed this assertion up. They did a fantastic job defining the orchestral space and details were suspended in space with a coherent presentation. The smoothness was a benefit for classical music. Whether these are worth £1800 for you will depend on how much copper is in your coffers and your musical tastes. For me, these lack the attack and raw power on guitars and drums that I'm into. The vocals weren't exactly my flavour, either. For me the mids are where the music lives. These don't fully satisfy me on the mids. I've only had about 1.5 hours of listening on them at this point, and I'll have these for a bit longer, so may have more to report. Unfortunately, I won't have the ERIB-2a during this time period. I need to own the ERIB-2a. My headphone life feels incomplete without them.
 
The pair that were sent over are @PhilW's personal pair, and he thoroughly enjoys the smooth sound of these. I asked him about the differences between the shells, as I thought that maybe the wood was the problem for me and this is what he had to say: "the wood is warm and smooth, the aluminum is balanced, and the ceramic is has tons of attack and detail with a big soundstage." I intend in the future to try out the whole line of oBravo's headphones, and at that point I'll add more impressions. Phil also had some more interesting info about the manufacturing process of the ceramics. Apparently it takes weeks to produce the ceramic headphones, and this is why they are expensive. I think that I'm going to end up liking the aluminum shells the most, which is great for my wallet if I'm going to be buying oBravo headphones. If the EAMT-3a retain the sound stage of the EAMT-3w but have more of the mid characteristics and attack of the ERIB-2a, I think they'll be just about perfect for me.
 
Like @ClieOS,  these don't fit my specification for my personal pinnacle IEM, but there may be some who these do. They have some really unique and special characteristics with regards to sound stage and detail, and some folks prefer the warm smooth sound of the wood.
 
On another note, these sounded similar out of every amp we put these through, from the Note 2, to the DX50, to the Chord Mojo, to the FirstWatt F6 w/ attenuator ("Mini Beast"). I think that the weakness on the ERIB-2a is something that a good pairing can attenuate, I don't have enough sources to say whether this is true of what I perceived as the deficiencies of the EAMT-3w.
 
However, my view is not the only one. @Takeanidea found them spectacular, and loved them with just about everything he threw at them. He thought my perspective was crazy. Different strokes for different folks.... So it may be that there are plenty of people who will absolutely love these headphones; at this point, I'm not one of them. Here are some pictures of the headphones. They certainly are good looking.
 

 

 
Apr 24, 2016 at 5:51 AM Post #8 of 29
  Apex? Not even close. Tried it extensively at canjam and honestly, these aren't even worth $50.
 
There are far better options out there.

If you think that $50 headphones sound better than these, I'm not sure what to tell you except that your assertion is flat wrong. I'd suggest more listening time in non meet settings. These don't sound anything like $50 headphones with regards to their special characteristics.
 
Listening to Massive Attack - Teardrop out of the DX50, the female vocals were a sublime match. The bass had excellent grunt and texture. The space in the stage was superb. There isn't a $50 IEM in existence that does what these do on orchestral music, I highly doubt there is a $500 IEM that does what these do, but I'd have to listen to a lot more before I could come to that conclusion.
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 12:22 PM Post #9 of 29
If anyone looking at this thread is wondering about the difference between these with the included silicone tips and with the Comply foamies, below are the results of my back and forth from elsewhere on HeadFi.
Direct back and forth mostly confirms, smoother with the foamies, less fatiguing sound (it isn't just the treble, too much force coming in with depth of insertion required for silicone), bass was roughly equal, but a bit less mid impact than with the silicone. The soundstage is also slightly less impressive (less width) with the silicone, partly because the silicone doesn't have a long enough bore to be secure in a partially inserted position. I think that there could be silicone tips that could match the foamies with these, maybe a bi-flange or a triple flange (I can't find my bag of tips at the moment)? The provided silicone tips also don't hold onto the nozzle terribly well, I found them sliding up with short usage. The nozzle is quite large on the EAMT-3w.
 
The silicone doesn't sound much worse. The main detriments are that the sound is way more fatiguing with the silicone and the soundstage is slightly reduced in width. I'm starting to get a little headache after just a couple songs today, even with adjusting down the volume--the silicone tips are louder because they position the nozzle closer to your eardrum. The tiny bit of difference in distance really does affect the comfort. The silicones do have a bit crisper sound and bit better impact and edge in the mids, but I think the cost is too high given the discomfort I'm experiencing. I think a longer nozzle silicone would prevent what I'm experiencing.
 
For this comparison I used Massive Attack's Mezzanine album, listening from Teardrop through Exchange with both sets of tips and then just continuing on with the Comply foamies because it sounds freaking great.

 
Something else to note, I couldn't use the wings with the silicone tips, because the depth of insertion caused the wings to distort and pop the headphones out.
 
May 2, 2016 at 9:05 AM Post #11 of 29
 
 
You will have to drop in and listen to the attack of the 3a @glassmonkey :wink:

I'm looking forward to it. If they correct the mild attack deficiency on the 3w and lose the little notch in the frequency response in the lower mids (that recessed feeling that isn't present on every set of vocals or every set of instruments), then I may really find my apex IEM. The 3w weren't it for me.
 
The EAMT-3w sound beautiful, and more natural in presentation and stage than any IEM I've yet heard. Instruments just sound like they are where they should be in a wide, deep and tall soundstage (not HD800 spacious, but damn impressive--I did compare directly to HD800). I think one thing that hurts any of these oBravo IEMs in comparisons is that they really shouldn't be compared to IEMs on sound or isolation. They isolate poorly and sound like full size open cans. The EAMTs have sounded like mid to top-tier open planar magnetics. The ERIB-2a sounded like lower to mid-tier full size open cans (I include the EL8 in mid-tier). These are the equivalent of having full-size open cans that fit inside your ears, and can be carried in your jacket pocket alongside your DAP. I'm hoping to get to compare oBravo to more flagships in the future, but I would very much advise that you need a quiet environment to really get a good impression of any of the oBravo offerings, and you need to use the foamies. I find when walking outside with these that it's like walking around with a pair of bookshelf speakers projecting at me, I can hear the music, but I hear all the traffic, too. These isolate next to no sound in a loud environment. I can shut out the office, but that is about it. When using the silicones, the treble gets fatiguing (I think the foam absorbs some treble). 
 
May 7, 2016 at 12:42 AM Post #14 of 29
Not the wood no, the cheaper a is bass hitting and quick. Loving Jack Garrett on them as I type. :)

can u tell me the bass on the one you mentioned that has better bass, its bass is close to which iem
 
May 7, 2016 at 4:33 AM Post #15 of 29
  can u tell me the bass on the one you mentioned that has better bass, its bass is close to which iem

 
Hiya, the earphone I am talking of is the EAMT3a. Aluminium enclosure rather than wood. I will say however that the "bass" on the EAMT is very unlike other IEMs. The only way that I can describe it is that the bass goes low very cleanly but doesnt impact on the midrange in the slightest so you dont get that overwhelming bass taking over the entire music being played like in many other IEMs ive heard. The EAMT3a goes down to 20Hz and does so very cleanly. You can hear the bass is there but its many times more textured than you would expect from an earphone. To me, it's as though many earphones now have far too much bass bleeding into the lower mids.
 
I'm not sure if anyone who has heard the ERIB and EAMT3 would partially agree with me on this?
 

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