Nov 10, 2016 at 1:48 PM Post #931 of 1,366
   
As futile as this would be, and keeping these yardsticks and provisos in mind, where would you stack Mimby in the above?

 
Answering in the spirit of the question, and primarily from a musical/enjoyment perspective, and rather than as an attempt to pin-down specific scores, and switching Yggdrasil in as the "10" reference to avoid incorrect interpretations and/or extrapolations of what I say here, versus what I intend to convey*, it lines up in one of two ways for me ...
 
The first is derived from rough comments I've made regarding the relative performance of the Schiit DACs to each other, over time (months), and that looks like this:
 
  1. Yggdrasil - 10.0
  2. Gungnir MB - 9.0
  3. Bifrost MB - 8.5
  4. Modi MB - 8.1
 
I include those numbers as an illustration of the pitfalls of this type of evaluation as, when I "rate" the units directly, rather than deriving from comments like "I feel BIMBY is 85% of Yggdrasil and MIMBY is 95% of BIMBY", it stacks up a lot closer to this, for me:
 
  1. Yggdrasil - 10.0
  2. Gungnir MB - 9.4
  3. Bifrost MB - 9.1
  4. Modi MB - 9.0
 
But that's just me, based on my listening, in a number of systems ranging from comparatively modest (MIMBY/VALI2/HD650) up to something more resolving and closer to the current SOTA.
 
(*If anyone wants to run the numbers for the first panel with DAVE as the 10 reference and do the corresponding math, that's on you - just don't bug me about it or what you think doing so says about anything.  As the second numbers show, it doesn't really line up the way the casual commentary winds up computing.)
 
Nov 10, 2016 at 11:28 PM Post #932 of 1,366
Hi Torq, read your impressions on the Holo Spring DAC level 3 on another thread. I have an Auralic Aries and plan to use the AES/EBU connection for the Holo Spring DAC level 3 which is still on order. There is a small correction, from the review that I'd like to make. "Note: If you want to run native-DSD (i.e. not via DoP), or run multi-rate DSD, then you’ll need to utilize either the I2S or USB interfaces."
The AES/EBU (although made for 24/192)can in fact transmit single DSD but not double rate or higher DSD. One of the future update for the Auralic Aries will be to up sample everything to single rate DSD.
 
Nov 10, 2016 at 11:47 PM Post #933 of 1,366
Hi Torq, read your impressions on the Holo Spring DAC level 3 on another thread. I have an Auralic Aries and plan to use the AES/EBU connection for the Holo Spring DAC level 3 which is still on order. There is a small correction, from the review that I'd like to make. "Note: If you want to run native-DSD (i.e. not via DoP), or run multi-rate DSD, then you’ll need to utilize either the I2S or USB interfaces."
The AES/EBU (although made for 24/192)can in fact transmit single DSD but not double rate or higher DSD. One of the future update for the Auralic Aries will be to up sample everything to single rate DSD.


Assuming you mean "re-sample" (or "down-sample") to single-rate DSD, that makes sense.
 
Though the moment you start re-samping DSD you lose what, allegedly, makes it interesting.  So that's best viewed as a convenience feature.  
 
Of note, to me, is that the Auralic Aries -> AES -> Spring DAC just beats out the Singxer SU-1 -> AES -> Spring DAC (which I expected), but, at the same time, just falls short of the SU-1 -> I2S -> Spring DAC (which I didn't anticipate).
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 12:42 AM Post #934 of 1,366

Holo Audio

Spring DAC - Level 3 - "Kitsune Tuned Edition" (+)

 
This was not a DAC I had any knowledge of when I built my original audition list.  In fact I only heard about it a couple, or three, months ago.  Despite my level of audition-fatigue and general leaning away from adding any new units to my audition list, I elected to add this unit on the basis that it was doing something in it's implementation I hadn't seen tackled elsewhere.
 
In this case, that's "Linear Compensation" and I'll talk more about that in the proper review.
 
Since I got more time with the Spring DAC, I have also written a full-blown "review" of the unit.  I'll link to that from here, but will keep this particular entry to more of the "impressions" and "summary" type posts I've made so far.
 
 
Initial Thoughts/Findings:
 
  1. The Spring DAC is, for me, at it's best with PCM content and operating in NOS (no-oversampling) mode.
  2. XLR outputs run at 5Vpp, so if comparing to Yggdrasil you'll want to want to level match carefully before auditioning.
  3. Build and fit/finish are very nice, solid and heavy.
  4. This is the first R2R DAC that implements "Linear Compensation" that I'm aware of (more details in my full review).
 
 
Listening:
 
Comparisons are ALL with Yggdrasil, unless otherwise stated.  And non-Yggdrasil comparisons are based on audio-memory and extensive listening notes and, while I believe they are accurate, should be taken more as impressions than absolutely definitive statements.
 
  1. Soundstage and Imaging are impressive and pronounced.
 
I think the overall soundstage it projects is a little wider and deeper than is actually realistic, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing with headphones.
 
In a speaker setup it was a bit too wide compared with Yggdrasil, and didn’t project height as well as Schiit’s unit.
 
  1. Out-resolves Yggdrasil, with better attack and faster transient response in NOS mode.
 
The difference isn’t huge, but it is noticeable, particularly with plucked-strings and some percussion work.  In NOS mode there is more detail, faster attack and better transient response than the oversampled Schiit DAC renders.
 
In oversampling mode, Yggdrasil does pull ahead of OS mode on the Spring here.
 
  1. Excellent tonality and balance; gives a little/takes a little depending on whether you’re in OS or NOS mode.  Not wet, but not dry, a little immediately obvious (and highly seductive) “sweetness” to the sound, yet it doesn’t come across as colored somehow.
 
I find Yggdrasil quite neutral, possibly as it’s the DAC I use the most right now.
 
Vocals are projected and rendered beautifully, instruments are entirely believable, everything is cohesive and it is very easy to simply get lost in the music.
 
  1. The best NOS DAC I‘ve heard so far.
 
Doing another round with the Metrum Pavane might sway me there, but from memory and my notes I prefer listening to the Spring DAC to the Metrum unit.
 
Pavane had an effect I described as “glow” to its presentation, which I’d describe as “sweetness” with the Spring DAC.
 
  1. DSD Playback
 
This is simply the best DSD playback I’ve so far experienced.
 
While, to date, DSD has not been my thing (I’ll elaborate in another post), the Spring DAC gave an impressive showing here and resulted in my more than doubling the size of my DSD library.
 
  1. You buy this DAC to run in NOS mode!
 
While the Spring DAC is an enjoyable listen in all modes, it’s easily at its best in NOS mode.  If you switch to oversampling replay then detail/resolution suffers a little, the soundstage gets compressed, presentation loses some of its engaging “sweetness” but softens a little as well.
 
If you’re always going to use oversampled replay and don’t need DSD replay then Yggdrasil is, for me, a better choice.
 
In other words, if you already know that NOS DACs aren’t your thing, then there are definitely other units you need to include in your auditioning.
 
  1. Choice of input matters; in decreasing order, I’d rank the inputs as follows:
 
I2S > AES >= COAX >= TOSLINK > USB
 
I used a Singxer SU-1 to feed the I2S input and this gave the best overall results.  The USB input benefitted from the use of a JCAT Isolator but even then didn’t reach the levels of the AES or I2S interfaces.
 
Summary:
 
This is a really impressive unit, that I find entirely musical and engaging and that I want as part of my system.  To that end, I am buying myself one.
 
While I wouldn’t give up my Yggdrasil for the Holo Audio unit; I wouldn’t do the opposite either. 
 
The Spring DAC is, I feel, entirely competitive with Yggdrasil, while offering some options that Schiit’s unit doesn’t (choice of NOS and OS mode, as well as first-rate DSD playback).
 
Very much worth an audition, a worthy addition to my shortlist and something of an upset to my process here (see follow-up post).
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 1:03 AM Post #935 of 1,366
The Holo Audio Spring DAC has proved something of an upset in my auditioning process.  I was intrigued by it's implementation of "Linear Compensation" (you'll need to see my full review for a proper discussion of that), and that turned out to lead me into a wonderfully musical and emotional experience.
 
While I'm not quite ready to say that I think the Spring DAC completely, technically, bests Yggdrasil, Metrum Pavane or Chord DAVE (the latter two being statements that really deserve a proper back-to-back comparison), I am finding that I'm at a suitable end-point for the process I started here.  What I WILL say, quite happily, is that based on my reactions/emotional responses, to these units, that I prefer the Spring DAC over DAVE, the Pavane, and the Direct Stream Junior (and possibly non-junior).
 
With everything I've heard, and commented on, so far, this year, I am finding that it is an easy choice to opt for the combination of Schiit Yggdrasil and Holo Audio Spring DAC.  They are both excellent performers, delivering very high-value, and yet are sufficiently different in their signature and capabilities that I find no conflict in wanting both of them.  As I said, I wouldn't trade one for the other, but they are both SOTA/TOTL level performers and great complements to one another.
 
That means, at this point, and least for the remainder of this year, I am DONE in my search for an additional DAC.
 
If I elect to look further next year then the competition will restart with the DACs on my list that I've not so far gotten to listen to properly, but they will now be compared to the pairing of Yggdrasil and Spring DAC.  And that process will start with a back-to-back elimination of my currently indicated short-list.
 
I am going to spend a nice long while immersing myself in the music that Yggdrasil and the Spring DAC render so convincingly.   I am also going to spend the difference between the price I had anticipated potentially dropping on a new DAC into my vinyl system instead.  And we'll see where things go next year.
 
For now, if you're looking for a new DAC, and have a budget that intersects the units in my shortlist, you need to make sure you audition both Yggdrasil and the Spring DAC.  Even at several times their respective, similar, price-points, the difference between them and the "front-runner" are small and, often, a matter of taste.
 
To end ...
 
As of my formal evaluations, DAVE remained at the top of my list in terms of raw technical performance, while retaining excellent musicality.  Still ... I'd, personally, rather have the combination of Yggdrasil and the Holo Audio Spring, regardless of price.
 
And just to whet your whistle, seed some anticipation, stir the pot and, of course, put the cat among the pigeons, I recently got to hear a unit that, while not in back-to-back comparison, and not strictly just a DAC, manages to redefine my expectations from digital audio.  It's not cheap (several times the combined price of Yggdrasil and Spring, and indeed nudging a doubling of the price of DAVE) and not conventional, but it is going to cause quite the stir among the well-heeled when it makes a proper public appearance ...
 
Thanks for reading ... enjoy the music!
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 2:49 AM Post #937 of 1,366
Fine!
Leave us all salivating even if the price is at unobtainium levels…
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Great series of write ups.
That's a lot of work and time spent.
Now to enjoy the results of your endeavors…
 
JJ
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 4:37 AM Post #938 of 1,366
I really did enjoy this journey of your. Concerning the upcoming Auralic Aries future upsampling update, any PCM data rate will be able to be upsampled to single rate DSD on the fly. Auralic claims SQ improves in doing so. Nice to have a DAC that will do both PCM/DSD. Anyway, I appreciate all the work you put into this.
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 8:07 AM Post #939 of 1,366
Hello,
 
Thanks for the impressions on the Holo Dac, Torq.
 
 
For those thinking of buying outside USA, it seems that Shengzenaudio has the Holo (levels 1 and 2) with a 11% discount this weekend on their website.
 
http://www.shenzhenaudio.com/holo-audio-spring-r2r-dac-hi-end-dsd-dac-220v-only.html
 
PS. I Never bought from them, so cannot really advise on their reliability as sellers.
 
Happy listening !
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Nov 11, 2016 at 9:58 AM Post #940 of 1,366
  Hello,
 
Thanks for the impressions on the Holo Dac, Torq.
 
 
For those thinking of buying outside USA, it seems that Shengzenaudio has the Holo (levels 1 and 2) with a 11% discount this weekend on their website.
 
http://www.shenzhenaudio.com/holo-audio-spring-r2r-dac-hi-end-dsd-dac-220v-only.html
 
PS. I Never bought from them, so cannot really advise on their reliability as sellers.
 
Happy listening !
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Keep in mind though that this is 220V one.
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 10:48 AM Post #941 of 1,366
  Hello,
 
Thanks for the impressions on the Holo Dac, Torq.
 
 
For those thinking of buying outside USA, it seems that Shengzenaudio has the Holo (levels 1 and 2) with a 11% discount this weekend on their website.
 
http://www.shenzhenaudio.com/holo-audio-spring-r2r-dac-hi-end-dsd-dac-220v-only.html
 
PS. I Never bought from them, so cannot really advise on their reliability as sellers.
 
Happy listening !
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I have purchased few items from them before and they are alright. That is a great price for level 1 and I believe the 11% is due to the Single's Day sale 11.11.
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 1:47 PM Post #942 of 1,366
  Hello,
 
Thanks for the impressions on the Holo Dac, Torq.
 
 
For those thinking of buying outside USA, it seems that Shengzenaudio has the Holo (levels 1 and 2) with a 11% discount this weekend on their website.
 
http://www.shenzhenaudio.com/holo-audio-spring-r2r-dac-hi-end-dsd-dac-220v-only.html
 
PS. I Never bought from them, so cannot really advise on their reliability as sellers.
 
Happy listening !
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Interesting how they are using photos from another source ;)  
 
Nov 11, 2016 at 10:16 PM Post #943 of 1,366
  For now, if you're looking for a new DAC, and have a budget that intersects the units in my shortlist, you need to make sure you audition both Yggdrasil and the Spring DAC.  Even at several times their respective, similar, price-points, the difference between them and the "front-runner" are small and, often, a matter of taste.

Thanks so much! 
 
Bit of a cruel tease at the end.  I guess we deserve it for being so annoying.
 
Nov 12, 2016 at 1:41 AM Post #945 of 1,366
@Torq
Thanks a lot for the nice journey it has been very enjoyable
Two quick questions: would you go for su-1 or rednet 3, SQ wise?
Any thoughts regarding SQ difference between level 2 and level 3?
 

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