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Apr 26, 2016 at 9:47 AM Post #676 of 3,865
  fyi, that adum 4160 is already very old device.
there is a new adum chipset that used inside aune s16. which is adum 3441 digital isolated.
but there is only found inside aune s16.
 

 
 
adum 3441 support high sample up to 384khz
in my aune s16 test with f1. f1 still beat the usb inside aunes16 head to head in all aspect
 
 

ADUM3441


 
 
Four-channel, high-speed digital isolators
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product description
ADuM344x is using ADI's technology i Coupler® quad-channel digital isolators, supports up to 150 Mbps data rate. These isolation components high-speed CMOS air core transformer technology and single-chip, superior to alternatives such as optocoupler devices provide outstanding performance characteristics.
i Coupler device without LED and photodiode, and thus there is no commonly associated with optocouplers design difficulties. Simple i Coupler digital interfaces and stable performance characteristics, can eliminate the typical optocoupler uncertain current transfer ratios, nonlinear transfer functions, and temperature and lifetime effects. These i Coupler product does not require external drivers and other discrete components.
In addition, in the case of comparable signal data rates, i Coupler devices the power of optocouplers 1/10 to 1/6.
ADuM344x isolators provide four independent isolation channels in a variety of channel configurations (see "Order Guide"). ADuM344x 3.0 V to 5.5 V supply voltage, providing compatibility with lower voltage systems, and is capable of enabling voltage translation functionality across the isolation barrier. In addition, ADuM344x between having low pulse width distortion and tight channel matching characteristics. Unlike other optocoupler, ADuM344x isolators have a patented refresh feature that ensures power and on / off dc correctness in the off condition when the input logic conversion is not exist.
application
  1. High-speed multichannel isolation
  2. SPI interface / data converter isolation
  3. Instruments


"ADI - 150Mbps data rate - isolation" - is this the chip that the F-1 uses, sounds familiar. 
 
PS Yes I like the ElFidelity SATA filters, and Fan filters - I much prefer the Paul Pang USB card - as it avoids the USB bus completely and runs on the PCIe bus.
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 9:51 AM Post #677 of 3,865
   
About 60-70 hours playing with my F1.
Last day´s havent really care to play at loud volumes but do it right now before wife comes home...the walls are shaking :)
 
The SQ is far beyond I would imagine my small system could deliver.
No comparison today just enjoying the music.
Gorgeus bass and I think the F1 is sounding a bit more detailed now compared to when it was new.
I will play another week or so at moderate volumes before I will do a head to head comparison to an old DVD.
 
I like what I hear and interesting to hear if it will improve more.
 
Off topic, have a friend who say digital music is just crap so I went to his place with my laptop, a 50 dollar dac board and my Baby Breeze.
He looked a bit funny when my cheap dac and ddc converter matched his CD player 
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Both connected to his decent amp and speakers.
That cheap ddc and Baby Breeze sounds like **** compared to my mainsystem with F1 in chain.
Have invited him to my house to listen to my small system with F1 in chain but let´s see if he comes.
Prettty sure he will be impressed but maybe not admit it :)


Nice!  So you'r saying the F-1 is better then the Baby Breeze in your main system...
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 9:56 AM Post #678 of 3,865
   
 
Just to sum up.   In the usb header there is also the +5VDC power.
in order to select power from the header/motherboard or from external psu there must be a switch.
Or i have to cut the wires in the cable connecting card and motherboard ?
Of course no problem to do this. But i have to cut something.
Thanks again,  gino


there is no switch just a different led color in that usb card. like its red if you connect it with sata cable or yellow if you connect it with eksternal adaptor
no switch at all.
 
last option is make dual head usb cable so there is 100percent no power from pc power, this is the path i go with my setup. so the data only head connect in that usb card . then the other head go to linear psu
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 10:01 AM Post #679 of 3,865
I don't think anyone listened to that Paul McGowan from PS Audio - Youtube clip.  WATCH STARTING AT Min 4!!  At Min 5 "he says - knocked the Regen's socks off!"  That is an amazing statement!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUl9fJNyfbo 
 
He mentioned using a USB to 1GB Ethernet - then Ethernet back to USB extender improved the sound of his system dramatically. The Ethernet in the USB chain gives you Galvanic isolation!  It also extends the range of your USB to hundreds of feet.  He was so impressed he is coming out with a new device called the LanRover - he says it's better then the Regen.  I found this nifty unit on amazon for $80 and then to take the galvanic isolation one step further - i will add the 'medical grade' ethernet isolator in the ethernet chain.  Got lucky there and found on Ebay for $50.
 
I think this is superior to the Intona and way cheaper.  No reclocking!  The USB data stream is transmitted by CAT6 cable galvanically isolated, then converted back to USB the USB playback chain would then restart there.
 
We shall see if this does not improve the USB sound further...
 
 
 
 
Quote:
  I just ordered this little guy to give a try - from wiki:
 
http://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Extender-Adapter-Repeater-Booster/dp/B00CCWZIZG?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
 

USB 2.0 to UPT Cats5 Cat5e Cats6 Rj45 Lan Ethernet Extender Adapter Repeater Booster


 
Now I just found this little fellow on Ebay for $50

Baaske Medical Ethernet Network Isolator​


 
 
http://industrialcomponent.com/baaske/mi1005.html

 
Apr 26, 2016 at 10:04 AM Post #680 of 3,865
   
Hi !
and if you have some cash left why not also this one ...
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Low-noise-USB-Isolator-short-circuit-protection-ADUM4160-Hifi-JTAG-isolation-/111942885146?hash=item1a1050df1a:g:3AUAAOSwPgxVL63g
 
i have seen the same chip used in the Berkely Audio Usb Alpha DDC.  So it must be good ncessarily
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Of course implementation is another thing. 
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I am using it and it seems to work ok but only for 16/48.  I do not have higher rez format files to try.
Regards,  gino 
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NO those isolators are not galvanic and can add jitter - this is an entirely new method 'discovered' by Audio design genius Paul McGowan at PS Audio.
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 10:12 AM Post #683 of 3,865
 
Nice!  So you'r saying the F-1 is better then the Baby Breeze in your main system...

Not really saying that...yet.
I compared the Baby Breeze and cheap dac to my F1 with Hegel Dac.
Easy win to my F1 Hegel of course.
 
The fun thing is that the cheap dac and Baby Breeze played even at my friend doing A/B comparison with his good CD player.
Fun becuse he alway´s said computer based music sux.
 
I did a quick comparison of the F1 and Baby Breeze when the F1 was new.
Both connected to my Hegel AMP through coax.
Pretty close but in favour of F1.
That was when the F1 was brand new.
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM Post #684 of 3,865
  Not really saying that...yet.
I compared the Baby Breeze and cheap dac to my F1 with Hegel Dac.
Easy win to my F1 Hegel of course.
 
The fun thing is that the cheap dac and Baby Breeze played even at my friend doing A/B comparison with his good CD player.
Fun becuse he alway´s said computer based music sux.
 
I did a quick comparison of the F1 and Baby Breeze when the F1 was new.
Both connected to my Hegel AMP through coax.
Pretty close but in favour of F1.
That was when the F1 was brand new.


I see - what about your DVD player?  Have you done that face-off yet?
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 10:16 AM Post #686 of 3,865
what is the baby breeze?
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 10:41 AM Post #689 of 3,865
I don't think anyone listened to that Paul McGowan from PS Audio - Youtube clip.  It was only posted yesterday.
 
WATCH STARTING AT Min 4!!  At Min 5 "he says - knocked the Regen's socks off!"  That is an amazing statement!  At min 6 he explains why he thinks this works so well for USB audio.   At min 7 he says it doesn't matter what USB cable you use to feed it!  They all sound the same - this from a guy who sells High End USB cables!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUl9fJNyfbo 
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 11:12 AM Post #690 of 3,865
I was batting around the idea of using usb over ethernet a while ago.  I'm going to try it out now.  The clincher for me, which is something I should have recognized a while back, is that this will allow me to move my media server to another room in my basement completely away from my audio system.  I wired my house (well the upstairs office and the basement) with cat6 so it would be easy enough.   If theres no difference then there is always ebay.  If it does work then I will have a ton of stuff for sale (HD plex linear PS, HD plex 250 watt DC, Uptone Regen, Schiit wyrd etc) stuff you only need because you are trying to shield your dac from "bad computer stuff".
 
Maybe we could break this discussion off into a new thread.
 

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