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you have to crossover, dsp or not, you have to crossover, right?
XMOS XU208 USB BRIDGES - THE LATEST GEN HAS ARRIVED!
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Yes but the are software crossover solutions available. The question is whether you can output two channel audio through a Dante network from a PC.
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I emailed them also asking the same question. They must be scratching their heads at the sudden interest.
I am pretty sure we already know the answer... and it sounds like it is moot anyway based upon how happy everyone is
BTW. What are you setting your bit rate to? ....the 24/192 max of your Yggy?
It depends on what I'm sending to it. If I'm listening to music, ASIO driver and 24/192. I don't have a Yggy any more, though. I'm using a Dangerous Music Convert-2, which is also the master clock for my Dante network.
If I'm using the PC for general stuff, I'll drop back to the WDM driver for compatibility and run it at 24/96, which still sounds excellent.
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Yes, you can output two channels... that's what most of us are using it for.
Side note, dbx has a dsp box / speaker management solution that has direct Dante input now, too.
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Finally got it working thanks to @Muziqboy's patience and helping me set it up and troubleshoot.
I'll just say this for initial impression, whoever implemented the usb transport/connection for audio set the audio world back by however long it's been since they were implemented. (Read:should be shot). Lol.
Amazing sq jump! I want to say the difference between the Rednet 3 and the stock USB on this Matrix mini-i (super mid-fi dac) is the same proportions as upgrading from a Schiit Bifrost MB to a Yggy. It's not subtle.
I'll just say this for initial impression, whoever implemented the usb transport/connection for audio set the audio world back by however long it's been since they were implemented. (Read:should be shot). Lol.
Amazing sq jump! I want to say the difference between the Rednet 3 and the stock USB on this Matrix mini-i (super mid-fi dac) is the same proportions as upgrading from a Schiit Bifrost MB to a Yggy. It's not subtle.
Definitely my fault for not reading the dimensions but at 17x10x4", I was definitely not expecting a receiver-sized unit. Jeezus I need to make some room!
Yes it's a Big, Beautiful Red Box of musical joy.
It kinda reminds me of a Ferrari
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We should all be careful to be more specific about the accolades for AoIP. It is the Focusrite / Audinate Dante implementation of AoIP that I believe is providing the superior results.
There are plenty of AoIP schemes available:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_network_protocols
Look at the link rb2013 kindly provided for a comparison of several competing Audio Over Ethernet technologies and look at the details that Audinate is claiming to make a superior data delivery. My suspicion is a listening evaluation of other AoIP implementations may not deliver the same level of auditory satisfaction. Looking forward to hearing the Focusrite D16 Dante VAC vs USB DDC (I have several), though it appears to be a non-stock item and I may be waiting awhile.
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If you are speaking of the D16 Sweetwater has them in stock. Most other dealers that list them seem to sell them but do not stock them...
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Sorry, I meant outputting 4 channels, not two, from a PC, which can only be done via a dedicated sound card. I thought maybe this was possible via the virtual sound card. Will look into it.
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my speculation is that with the pcie card it will further improve the sound.
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About time to update the ratings and rankings
Thanks for that link! I did not save the page of the most recent rankings.
So here is where I estimate we are today:
Here would be my current ratings and rankings (the numbers are just a relative number - they are not percentages). The Breeze Audio (Talema) DU-U8 = 100
Obviously these are my subjective ratings YMMV - and yes I have owned (had a loaner) all these for an extended period of time:
REDNET 3/Cerious/Mutec 3+ (SPDIF reclocker) 235
REDNET 3/Cerious Power Cord 220
Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/ iPur2/Startech GB LAN Iso USB 170
Mutec 3+ Smart Clock USB/Cerious Power Cord 155
Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/ iPur2 145
PUC2 Lite TeraDak DC30W/Cerious/Regen 135
Singxer F-1 DC30W/Cerious 135
DXIO Silver/TeraDak DC-30W/Cerious 130
Singxer X-1 DC30W/Cerious/Recovery/DCiPur/iPur2 125
PUC2 Lite - USB power 110
Breeze/Cerious Graph/WBT RCA Nexgen 109
Breeze DU-U8 with Cerious Graphene 108
Breeze DU-U8 (Talema version) 100
Breeze DU-U8 (BingZi version) 95
Hydra Z with LPS 92
Melodious MX-U8 (upgraded caps) 85
Melodious MX-U8 (stock) 81
Gustard U12 (upgraded caps) 76
Gustard U12 stock 72
iDAC DAC2 (used as a DDC) 65
Musiland USB3.0 US Dragon 65
M2Tech EVO with LPS 60
Audiophileo 2 USB Power 50
M2Tech Hiface 40
Note the two major leaps - one by adding the ICRON/Startech GB LAN Iso Audio USB Extender into the chain. Then the bigger leap away from USB completely to the REDNET3 Dante AES67 AOIP. The Mutec 3+ did not help as an ext Word Clock to the RD3 - but after the RD3 as a SPDIF reclocker - excellent.
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If you use JRiver MC you can use a VST plugin called metaplugin which can host a VST speaker management DSP and output to 4 channel streams. These streams can be mapped in Dante Virtual Audio Cable to four outputs on a Dante enabled device. You will need breakout cables to access the additional channels.
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Thank-you. I received a status update and my D16 is in transit. Sometime next week to arrive.
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Cheers! Completely agree - it's hard to put into words. A Sea Change in SQ. Like some hidden low level distortion is removed. So liquid, musical, natural, flow, ease, smooth, warm, cuddly, 'sitting by the fire one cool winter morning sipping hot coffee' - kind of a sound . Sorry ran out of adjectives...
USB ain't got nothin' on AOIP!!!
King USB is dead, long live King AOIP!
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Well I have to say looking at the Focusrite REDNET design - it is well made - but can certainly be improved (hoping with your suggestions) - notably the SMPS power supply. So how long before the modding begins?
I'm very excited about the Raveena AES67 AOIP implementation - at least how Merging Tech has done it - maybe, just maybe better?
It would be a complete surprise and our luck - to just happen to serendipitiously find and buy the best AOIP possible. Now there must be some issues with the Dante AOIP - aside from the minor operational annoyances found so far. Things that can and will be improved down the line.
I get the feeling this train is just leaving the station.
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